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Inspiration
« on: June 23, 2013, 04:56:57 AM »
Inspiration for the Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda GB:



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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 05:49:47 AM »
More...


« Last Edit: June 23, 2013, 05:51:58 AM by GTX_Admin »
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 05:54:49 AM »
Still more:

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 08:14:01 AM »
Bit of musical inspiration for you..... ;)

Beverley Knight - Shoulda Woulda Coulda
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Offline Spey Phantom

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 05:08:01 PM »
i seem to have plenty of idea's lately that would fit the GB perfectly.
as for a shoulda, im thinking my Belgian ec665 Tiger HAD would be good.
as for a woulda, a Belgian EC-635 (was concidered in 2000 to replace the Alouette II)
and a for a Coulda, a Belgian Navy SA365 (order was cancelled in the early-90's, was supposed to replace the Alouette III)

another good project would be a Belgian Jaguar, the BAF did concider ordering the Jaguar-A, but Dassault instead steered belgium towards the Mirage 5, coulda been the better choice.

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 06:18:28 PM »
RAAF AH-1 Cobra, Starlifter, Galaxy, Mirage F-1, Jaguar, F-15, F-11 Tiger, A-5 Vigilante, B-1B
RAN FAA F-4B/J, F-11 Tiger, F-8 Crusader, Sea Harrier, AV-8B+
RAN Indefatigable, Colossus, Centaur, Essex, Hermes, Eagle, Invincible, Tarawa, SCS, Type 45, DDG-51, County Class DLG, Leahy Class DLG, Suffren, Clemenceau, Vangard, Ark Royal
RNZAF F-16, F/A-18, Hawk 100/200, F-11 Tiger

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 09:24:02 PM »
Hmm - funny this should come up: I've just been considering the ramifications of a 1945-ish British government decision to keep the Fleet Air Arm predominately US-supplied. The argument is that there's so little market for non-US carrier jets that it's not worth Britain developing them. Thus the FAA's 1950's front line fighters are the Grumman Panther, Grumman Cougar and Grumman Tiger, all made under licence by Shorts and with British-built engines (which is why they're preferred to the other options). They then put an Avon RA.24 and a radar into the Super Tiger to get the next generation (apparently an Avon-engined Super-Tiger was offered to Germany).

Consequences:

1. The Attacker (and consequently the Swift) and the Scimitar never happen and Supermaine goes to the wall quickly.

2. The Sea Hawk never happens which means Hawker's development path to the Hunter never gets started. In a related decision, the RAF gets an early delivery of US-built Sabres to enable it to participate in Korea, and Hawker then ends up building the follow-on Avon-Sabres.

The easiest thing to do would be to build the three Grumman "cats" in RN colours (although I havn't got a Cougar), or I could build the two RAF Sabre, with an F-86H standing in for the hypothetical British Avon Sabre.
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 10:35:05 PM »
What if in early 1942 a schism took place where the fighter lead part of the USAAC told the Army no more ground support from us and USN told the USMC to they should stick to balloons, small arms and small boats. More back story details later.

Go look else where for your aircraft they where told.

Okay. Be that way. So p*ss on you they said. So the the United States Army Aviation Division and the United States Marine Aviation Corps were created.

In a huff they did by buying all their aviation assets from Commonwealth nations such as Australia, Canada and the UK.  Some USAAC and USN A/C were immediately transferred and occasionally they also got some gently used / experienced / unloved A/C. 

Some of the A/C were licensed built by the non-mainstream companies such as CCF, Kaiser, Naval Aircraft Factory, Northrop and Vickers Canada. Some of the A/C designs were shared between the USAAD and the USMAC.

For the USAAD:
   
A-24A   Banshee      SBD
A-25A/B   Shrike      S2BC
A-27A    Alamo      T-6
A-27B   Alamo      T-6
A-32A   Lynx      TBF
A-32C    Lynx      TBF
A-37A   Badger      P-47D RB
A-37B    Badger      P-47D BC
A-37C   Badger      P-47D BC
A-39A    Lynx      P-39Q
A-39B   Lynx      P-63A
A-40A    Coyote      Mosquito
A-40B   Coyote      Mosquito
A-42A    Typhoon      Typhoon Mk. I
A-46A   Osprey      XP-75A
F-1A     Spitfire      Mk. I / PR Mk. IC
F-1B    Spitfire      Mk. Vb / PR. MK.IV
F-1C     Spitfire      PR Mk.X
F-1D    Spitfire      Mk. VIII
F-1E     Spitfire      Mk. XIX
F-1F     Spitfire      Mk. XIVe
F-8A    Mosquito      Mosquito
F-8B    Mosquito      Mosquito
F-8C    Mosquito      Mosquito
F-19A   Meteor      Mk. 4
P-48A   Spitfire      MK.I
P-48B   Spitfire      MK.V
P-48C   Spitfire      Mk. VIII
P-48D   Spitfire      MK IXc
P-48E   Spitfire      MK XII
P-48F   Spitfire      Mk. XIVc
P-48G   Spitfire      FR. Mk.XIVE
P-48H   Spitfire      MK.22
P-48I    Spitfire      Mk.46
P-48J   Spiteful      MK. XIV
P-49A   Beaufighter      Beaufighter MK. VI
P-49B   Beaufighter      Beaufighter MK. VI
P-52A   Whirlwind      Mk.I
P-57A   Tempest      Tempest Mk. V
P-57B   Tempest      Tempest Mk. VI
P-73A    Meteor      Mk. III
P-73B    Meteor      Mk. 4
P-73C    Meteor      Mk. 8
P-73D    Meteor      Mk. FR. Mk.9
P-73E   Meteor      Mk. NF.14

 
For the USMAC:
FK-1    Spitfire      Mk.I
FK-2    Spitfire      Mk.V
FK-3    Spitfire      Mk.IX
F2K-1   Spitfire      Mk.21
F2K-2   Spitfire      FR Mk.XIV
F2K-3   Spiteful      MK.XIV
F3K-1   Seafire      Mk.XV
F3K-2   Seafire      Mk.46
F3K-3   Seafang      Mk.32
FN-1    Typhoon      Mk. Ib
FN-2    Typhoon      Mk. Ib
FN-3    Typhoon      Mk. Ib
F2N-1   Tempest      Mk. I
F2N-2   Tempest      Mk. I
F3N-1   Sea Fury      Mk. II
F4N-1   Hornet      Mk.I
TBR-1   Avenger      TBF
TBR-2   Avenger      TBF
TB2R-1   Beaufighter      Mk.X
TB3R-1   Brigand      TB MK. I
TF1B-1   Firebrand      TF.Mk.II


Am going to build all these by July 14? Mostly likely no but it is long term job security for the modelling companies.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2013, 10:47:00 PM by The Big Gimper »
Work in progress ::

I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 10:46:29 PM »
F-17/F-18L


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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2013, 11:29:43 PM »
Ahahahaha France...
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2013, 05:25:26 AM »
Greg, please don't tempt me to build a Montana PLEASE!!!  I have enough scratch build projects going on now  :-\

If anyone wants some naval inspiration ask me.  I have a whole slew of ship and naval related subjects I can provide.

Some "should have been" profiles I've done:

Hawker-Siddeley Nimrod AEW.4 - Nimrod with Radar system from the E-2 Hawkeye.


McDonnell-Douglas  FGR.2 Phantom II - J79 Powered F-4E for the RAF.
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2013, 09:02:54 AM »
Canada shoulda bought Eagles!



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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2013, 10:46:53 AM »
Canadian options from the competition that led to the Hornet - F-16, Mirage F.1, Tornado, F-18L, F-15...

...and then the one I'm contemplating building: after the Islamic revolution in Iran, a deal was made between Canada and Iran to buy the IIAF's Tomcats... but shortly before the deal was finalised, Canada's role in something (I want to say the Tehran hostage thing) came to light, and the Iranians cancelled the deal.

I'm not even sure I'll be able to /start/ this before the GB is over, but at least the GB has inspired me to do an F-14 in Asia Minor scheme with Canadian markings...
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2013, 02:38:47 AM »
Greg, please don't tempt me to build a Montana PLEASE!!!  I have enough scratch build projects going on now  :-\






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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2013, 08:45:28 AM »
Canadian options from the competition that led to the Hornet - F-16, Mirage F.1, Tornado, F-18L, F-15...

Wasn't the Viggen chucked into that ring briefly as well?
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2013, 10:59:24 AM »
Canadian options from the competition that led to the Hornet - F-16, Mirage F.1, Tornado, F-18L, F-15...

Wasn't the Viggen chucked into that ring briefly as well?


... now I need to put a CAF Viggen on my list of future projects...
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 11:20:18 PM »
 Not inspiration per se, but Squadron.com is having a whopping big sale until the 27th - and I
 noticed that the 'Stratos 4' version of the TSR 2 is available at a fair mark-down.

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2013, 01:45:45 AM »
Canada shoulda bought Eagles!



Nice!  :)  now I know what I'll do my 1/48 Eagle as ---

Just a mention though Moritz, the Hornets were designated CF-188, maybe the Eagle would have been a CF-155 (that would mean that the CT-155 Hawk would have had to be a CT-156 or 7 later though)

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2013, 05:25:41 AM »
CF-150 would also have been available back then!
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2013, 02:38:24 AM »
Speaking of inspiration, does anybody have plan views for the Armstrong Whitworth AW .171 Supersonic VTOL project? I thought
there was a set back at What-If, but I can't find 'em now...I'm thinking about taking a crack at that pointy beuaty in 1/48th...

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2013, 02:45:29 AM »
This one?



This is the best I have:



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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2013, 04:32:04 AM »
I can think of a few nations that really Should have bought F-20s ... and perhaps even more nations that Should have taken the chance and bought the - at the time - untried SAAB Gripen.

... it Could have happened that the invention of workable jet engines Would have been delayed another 10 years , or so. Supermarine 391, DH Vampire with an RR Eagle, DH Hornet beefed up to carry Griffon engines...

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 09:52:21 AM »
That'll work - Thanks, Greg!

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2013, 10:00:34 AM »
You can make a Coulda Woulda Shoulda argument for the RAF buying F-14s or F-15s instead of Tornado ADVs. There were good reasons why they chose not to at the time the decision was made (mid 1970s) but the debate was a real one: see Battle Flight for details.

Some more:

Britain buys US-built F-86s in 1950 (rather than Canadian ones in 1953) so that the RAF can go to Korea, then develops and builds the Avon-Sabre as a joint British/Aussie project (use a Special Hobby F-86H as the basis of the model). Combine this with the FAA going Grumman (see other posts) and you have Hawker reduced to a licenced producer of other people's designs.

At the time of the F-16 sale to the Netherlands/Belgium/Norway/Denmark consortium, the British proposal was for a 50/50 split between Jaguars for strike and Mirage F1-53s (M53 engine) for air defence. What if the consortium had decided that buying European was more important and actually gone for this option?

Buccaneer shouldas: RAF (stretched with afterburners and bogie u/c instead of TSR.2 in 1960), Germany (Marineflieger at least: they were interested), Australia, India....
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2013, 01:03:55 PM »


Buccaneer shouldas: RAF (stretched with afterburners and bogie u/c instead of TSR.2 in 1960), Germany (Marineflieger at least: they were interested), Australia, India....


Like these ;)




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