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Title: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Goonie on April 08, 2014, 06:32:13 AM
Hi guys,

From some time now I'm planning to build a Martian escort truck and I wanted to do it at least a bit plausible, but I've stuck with basic color (dk orange, desert rose or just basic sand) not to mention the type of cammo which could be used in about next 40 years in future (one color or maybe pixel cammo)...
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Buzzbomb on April 08, 2014, 06:50:07 AM
My first thought is...who are you hiding from ?
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Cliffy B on April 08, 2014, 07:18:51 AM
Martian = red desert so I'd do rusty reds and oranges in a 3 tone disruptive scheme.
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 08, 2014, 07:11:47 PM
Try these (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=orange+camouflage&safe=off&client=safari&hl=en-gb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1thDU-ODEorukgXMhIH4DA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672)

Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Frank3k on April 08, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
The color on the surface depends on a lot of factors, but the Mars Science Laboratory Curiosity color cameras provide the best "real" color renditions of the surface to date:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/)

If you look at the raw images from the Mastcam: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/ (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/) (towards the bottom) you'll get plenty of color images.
Here's a good mosaic with near and far scenes:

(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/images/PIA17944-FigA_Mcam-SOL538-raw-br2.jpg)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Kerick on April 09, 2014, 12:12:06 AM
I see lots of rusty browns for the sand and dark greys and black for the basaltic boulders. Perhaps a version of the Desert Storm chocolate chip uniform pattern?
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 09, 2014, 02:05:10 AM
Paint it haze grey so it looks like the bare rocks :)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2014, 02:37:05 AM
Or maybe even borrow something from this classic shot:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg1_zpsd3ceeca8.jpg)

Messerschmidt over the North African Desert (http://www.tabletop-terrain.com/stu/archives/Bf109AfrikaKorp.jpg)

***Just in case the image does not show up you can click on the html and see it in a new page. -- jjf
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: mrvr6 on April 09, 2014, 04:08:52 AM
Or maybe even borrow something from this classic shot:

([url]http://www.tabletop-terrain.com/stu/archives/Bf109AfrikaKorp.jpg[/url])


link is dead mate
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 09, 2014, 04:40:46 AM
Linked image did not want to display for me as well until I opened Greg's post and copied the link to a new window.  Then it shows up here on the forums and in the new page.  Just in case it is not showing for anyone else the image is provided as the html in Greg's post and you can click on it and it should show the Me-109/Bf-109 in low-level flight over the North African desert. 
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Goonie on April 09, 2014, 07:28:14 AM
First of all many thanks for helping me to sort this think up :D. 
I'll probably stick to the images made by Curiosity, so 2 or 3 hues of brown + dk grey.
That cammo on messerschmit also is interesting (btw. I've remember to saw that picture during primary school somewhere in one of the History books ;) ) but image of mars surface linked by Frank3k looks just more accurate, nevertheless one more time thanks for response :)

My first thought is...who are you hiding from ?
Well I thought about placing the model in first stages of mars terraforming (so still deadly atmosphere, low air pressure and other nasty mars characteristics are present) where transport between mines and cities or some processing facilities will take place by trucks or railroads, probably on quite long distances, so it's highly possible that some pirates or other amateurs of acquiring goods in not exactly the legal manner will appear. That's why i thought that converting bunch of trucks into platforms packing some serious defensive arsenal would be quite common practice out there 8)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2014, 05:00:32 PM
Linked image did not want to display for me as well until I opened Greg's post and copied the link to a new window.  Then it shows up here on the forums and in the new page.  Just in case it is not showing for anyone else the image is provided as the html in Greg's post and you can click on it and it should show the Me-109/Bf-109 in low-level flight over the North African desert.

Or I could just fix the original post!
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Old Wombat on April 09, 2014, 09:14:57 PM
I like this one!

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/clothing-intimates-nn7-b449orange_zps53d104c9.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2014, 02:21:43 AM
 :) :)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2014, 02:23:22 AM
Or possibly this scheme:

(http://media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com/736x/0a/7c/ad/0a7cad5af25a84f76ce5ae61c22f19f0.jpg)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: deathjester on April 10, 2014, 06:20:56 AM
....And these would be the recruiting posters for the Martian Defence Forces?? 
...
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They're gonna need bigger recruiting centres!!!!!
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Buzzbomb on April 10, 2014, 07:31:55 AM
Did a similar style Mars Survey vehicle some years back for a Starship Modeller online comp
http://www.starshipmodeler.org/contest10/dio_05.htm (http://www.starshipmodeler.org/contest10/dio_05.htm)

But I went the complete opposite direction in that I went Hi Vis against the Martian Surface.

Like the Greg and Guy interpretation of displaying colour schemes though O0
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Goonie on April 11, 2014, 11:11:48 PM
Did a similar style Mars Survey vehicle some years back for a Starship Modeller online comp
[url]http://www.starshipmodeler.org/contest10/dio_05.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.starshipmodeler.org/contest10/dio_05.htm[/url])

But I went the complete opposite direction in that I went Hi Vis against the Martian Surface.

That's great model you have build ;) it resembles me a bit that explore vehicle from Hadleys Hope colony in "Aliens" movie.

Like the Greg and Guy interpretation of displaying colour schemes though O0

So do I  :)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Volkodav on April 12, 2014, 03:56:52 AM
Would the British army pink panthers work?  The scheme that is not the air breathing engines.
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Gingie on April 15, 2014, 10:00:05 PM
in the mosiac photo, it looks like Mars has an atmosphere. I always thought the sky in mars would be black, even during mid day, like on the moon?
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Frank3k on April 15, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Mars has  a thin atmosphere, the pressure is about 0.6% that of the Earth's, so you would need a pressure suit on the surface. The pressure varies by time of day/ year and altitude, although nowhere is it near Earth. In most places, it's too low to allow liquid water on the surface. Water exists only as ice or water vapor although it's possible to have very, very briny water as a liquid.

Mars used to have a thicker atmosphere. About 1/3 is frozen ( as dry ice) in the poles. Early on, billions of years ago, it had a much thicker atmosphere (there are signs of torrential floods and pooling from that time). Most of the atmosphere was lost by a combination of low surface gravity, impacts and the effects of solar radiation.

There will be a test later.
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Goonie on April 15, 2014, 10:51:25 PM
Would the British army pink panthers work?
Initially I thought that this color scheme could be adequate, but now, after digging throught the raw images from Curiosity mission, I don't think so.
Surface of Mars seems to be more brown and grey even from quite a long distance:
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Frank3k on April 16, 2014, 01:36:06 AM
I think a camo with any of those colors should work. Some real life examples:

The Opportunity rover (which has been operating for 10 years on Mars) has gotten very dusty at times. Here's a selfie:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/PIA17759-MarsOpportunityRover-SelfPortrait-20140106.jpg/737px-PIA17759-MarsOpportunityRover-SelfPortrait-20140106.jpg)

From the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Exploration_Rover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Exploration_Rover)

Its sister ship, Spirit (which died a few years ago):
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Mars_Spirit_rover%27s_solar_panels_covered_with_Dust_-_October_2007.jpg/734px-Mars_Spirit_rover%27s_solar_panels_covered_with_Dust_-_October_2007.jpg)

Opportunity is currently on a hill and the winds have cleaned the arrays:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2828/13732446404_57a57c5a6f_b.jpg)

Back in 2006, it was photographed from orbit near Victoria crater. The soil colors are not realistic:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Opportunity_at_Victoria_Crater_from_Mars_reconnaissance_orbiter.jpg/800px-Opportunity_at_Victoria_Crater_from_Mars_reconnaissance_orbiter.jpg)


The first two rover selfies above may have been brightened. Light levels would be closer to the Curiosity rover picture or the Opportunity picture above. The color difference shows the difficulty of color matching the actual "I'm standing on the surface of Mars" appearance of the surface. The Curiosity image is probably the most accurate rendition; the Spirit and Opportunity cameras have color filters that are not exact matches to the sensitivity of the human eye. Curiosity is probably closer to what we would see.

Here's a beautiful image from Curiosity (processed to make it brighter):

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=32553 (http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=32553)
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Old Wombat on April 17, 2014, 10:17:54 PM
Here's a beautiful image from Curiosity (processed to make it brighter):

[url]http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=32553[/url] ([url]http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=32553[/url])


Could be any number of the (few) less-red regions of Australia's deserts.
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 18, 2014, 03:17:19 AM
yep - been in a few places like that.
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Silver Fox on May 13, 2014, 11:26:41 PM
One thing to note in doing the camo scheme...

The thin Martian atmosphere means very low diffusion of light. In other words, shadows tend to have very sharp edges, with little of the blurring we are used to here. The effect is not as pronounced as on an airless body, but on a scale model sharp edges would probably suffice.
Title: Re: Cammo for military vehicle operating in martian conditions
Post by: Deepsix++ on July 06, 2014, 07:53:20 AM
how about this