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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2013, 01:54:34 AM »
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2013, 08:54:51 AM »
As far as I know, the reasoning behind the twin-engined (pair of F404's), in addition to improved performance, was political.  The F404 was made in Teddy Kennedy's home state and Tip O'Neil's (at the time, Speaker of the House) home district, and that would be a definite boost in prospects.

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2014, 04:13:00 AM »
I wonder if anyone will release this scheme in a set of decals:


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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2014, 06:41:07 AM »
^ Icarus Decals have got you covered! LINK!  :)
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2014, 09:45:27 AM »
Italy (F-104) & Greece (A-7) also did aircraft in similar schemes - decals also (were) available.

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2015, 03:58:05 AM »
Random ideas:

West German A-7
French A-7
Iranian A-7
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2015, 10:06:54 PM »
The A-7 is another type just crying out for an overall Foliage Green Australian army aviation scheme.  I know the current scheme looks pretty good but an idea that is growing on me is army aviation retains its WWII pacific theatre scheme (which is the same as the RAAF tactical air force scheme for some strange reason) as standard through until the 1990s. 

Probably a little over the top but maybe in addition to Australian Army, there could also be RAN FAA and RAM versions.  I don't think the RAAF would bother with a mud mover, or even a strike fighter, as they prefer to concentrate on strategic and medium bombers and reconnaissance aircraft, air superiority fighters, interceptors and strategic transports. ;)

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2015, 10:34:15 PM »
I wonder if you could convert an A-7 to use a Jaguar-style long, soft, big wheels undercarriage? It would make an excellent CAS/BAI type with a genuine rough field capability.
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2015, 12:30:08 AM »
I wonder if you could convert an A-7 to use a Jaguar-style long, soft, big wheels undercarriage? It would make an excellent CAS/BAI type with a genuine rough field capability.

Well there goes my Australian Army A-7, the Jaguar would be better wouldn't it....maybe superseding the Hunter FGA9 (how was the FGAs rough field performance?)

Still leaves FAA and RAM though  ;)

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2015, 04:17:03 AM »
I wonder if you could convert an A-7 to use a Jaguar-style long, soft, big wheels undercarriage? It would make an excellent CAS/BAI type with a genuine rough field capability.

Well there goes my Australian Army A-7, the Jaguar would be better wouldn't it....maybe superseding the Hunter FGA9 (how was the FGAs rough field performance?)

Still leaves FAA and RAM though  ;)

Not neccessarily: the Jaguar has more speed and rough field than the A-7, but the latter has more range/loiter-time and payload. You could argue that the Corsair is the more "Armyish" aircraft in the same way that an A-10 is more Armyish than an F-16. Suppose the USAF had got solidly behind the A-7 instead of taking it grudgingly and developed a rough-field version for itself: that would be an ideal path to get it into the hands of other air forces.

The Hunrter's rough field capability was pretty non-existent AFAIK. It was always short of ground clearance and I could see it striking the tail very easily in a rough field landing.

For rough field, you need low ground pressure (multiple and/or big, low-pressure tires) so that you don't sink into soft ground,  long-stroke u/c legs with progressive springing and damping (soft at first then firming up with more travel) so that every bump in rough ground doesn't get transmitted to the airframe, and the slowest possible landing/takeoff speeds to give the tires and suspension the least to deal with.

Once you've got on the ground, you then need to be able to support the aircraft with minimum external equipment, so on-board starters and diagnostic equipment and inspection panels and weapon pylons that are reachable from the ground without mechanical assistance all help. This is something that people don't give the Jag enough credit for: it was way less "needy" than the Tornado or Mirage, and if you look at the history of British/French interventions, Jags were usually the first to deploy.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2015, 04:19:32 AM by Weaver »
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2015, 09:10:57 AM »
The A-7 is another type just crying out for an overall Foliage Green Australian army aviation scheme.  I know the current scheme looks pretty good but an idea that is growing on me is army aviation retains its WWII pacific theatre scheme (which is the same as the RAAF tactical air force scheme for some strange reason) as standard through until the 1990s. 

Probably a little over the top but maybe in addition to Australian Army, there could also be RAN FAA and RAM versions.  I don't think the RAAF would bother with a mud mover, or even a strike fighter, as they prefer to concentrate on strategic and medium bombers and reconnaissance aircraft, air superiority fighters, interceptors and strategic transports. ;)

RAM version is already being developed (in my head, so far) but I have 3 x A-7's in my stash, an A-7D, an A-7E & an A-7K (which I'm going to navalise & electrify as the EA-7L).

You've got me thinking, though, & I may do the "D" as an Army version just for schitzngigls - may even give it the white tail. ;)
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2015, 01:50:32 PM »
The narrow wheel spacing of the main gear of the A-7 was always a problem. IIRC the A-7 would usually take the arrestor wire on landing if it was raining to keep from going off the edge of the runway. Not good if its using rough fields.

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2015, 03:30:58 AM »
Get a load of that airbrake:

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2015, 08:40:29 AM »
Move it to the top of the fuselage, on top of the wing juncture box.   It must have made life quite difficult in that position during an approach to a carrier.

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2015, 11:16:00 AM »
Move it to the top of the fuselage, on top of the wing juncture box.   It must have made life quite difficult in that position during an approach to a carrier.

I could see that causing severe buffet over the fin, leading to a loss of yaw stability: also not good on approach to a carrier.

My vote for alternative airbrakes would be Tornado-style ones on the top corners of the rear fuselage that open at an angle from the vertical, leaving clean air flowing past the fin.

It would be an interesting a subtle whiff to reinstate the Crusader's variable incidence wing on the Corsair wouldn't it? Make everything else about it completely real-world and see who notices... >:D
« Last Edit: May 21, 2015, 11:18:41 AM by Weaver »
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2016, 03:06:16 AM »
Random idea:  Japanese A-7 instead of their F-1.  Maybe in this sort of scheme:

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2017, 04:02:03 AM »
So, I'm wondering about the long-term viability of the A-7 Corsair II. Are there additional upgrades that would have been required for Greek A-7Hs to carry JDAMs?

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2017, 09:17:32 AM »
Hey Volkodav:

what do you think?  RAN A-7D


A-7D-01 by David Freeman, on Flickr

A-7D-02 by David Freeman, on Flickr


More to come  ;)
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2017, 02:35:35 AM »
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2017, 04:12:29 AM »
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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2017, 03:15:45 AM »
Move it to the top of the fuselage, on top of the wing juncture box.   It must have made life quite difficult in that position during an approach to a carrier.

I could see that causing severe buffet over the fin, leading to a loss of yaw stability: also not good on approach to a carrier.

My vote for alternative airbrakes would be Tornado-style ones on the top corners of the rear fuselage that open at an angle from the vertical, leaving clean air flowing past the fin.

It would be an interesting a subtle whiff to reinstate the Crusader's variable incidence wing on the Corsair wouldn't it? Make everything else about it completely real-world and see who notices... >:D

As a former SLUF driver,  it was never a problem on approach. There is an interlock in the system that ensures the speedbrake is closed when the gear are down. But I can also say, it was a fun ride to put it down at high speed.

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2017, 12:40:00 AM »
As a former SLUF driver,
:icon_surprised: Cool!

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it was never a problem on approach. There is an interlock in the system that ensures the speedbrake is closed when the gear are down. But I can also say, it was a fun ride to put it down at high speed.
How gradual was the deployment? And I can imagine that it would be rather, shall we say, "interesting" to deploy. It opens up quite a long cavity in the fuselage and is also long and narrow, two properties that would be likely to cause some noticeable turbulence and vibration even if only cracked open a little.

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2017, 02:37:08 PM »
Hey Volkodav:

what do you think?  RAN A-7D


A-7D-01 by David Freeman, on Flickr

A-7D-02 by David Freeman, on Flickr


More to come  ;)

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2017, 04:33:27 PM »

How did I miss this?

Wow  :smiley:

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How did I miss this?

Wow  :smiley:
Color scheme seems so right for mixed water and land with foliage environment.  Like how you did scheme.  Something I want to try.

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Re: Vought (LTV) A-7 Corsair II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2017, 05:01:02 PM »
I'm going to be using a similar scheme for my RAM's A-7's with RAN F-8's having a similar scheme to our old A-4's.

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