Author Topic: IA-58 Pucara (Read 21699 times)

ysi_maniac · « **on:** February 03, 2018, 08:38:07 PM »

New tails for Pucara

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2018, 02:26:15 AM »

Whiff Canadian PT6A powered version:

and my crude drawing of such:

Give it a pair of PT6A-68s and it would be quite the beast (standard IA-58 has twin Turbomeca Astazou XVIG turboprops of 729 kW (978 hp) each whereas a PT6A-68C version would have two engines of 1,200 kW (1,600 shp) each - almost a doubling of power!!!

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2018, 02:27:52 AM »

Jet proposal (otherwise known as "I want to be an A-10..."):

Gingie · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2018, 02:37:47 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2018, 02:26:15 AM

Whiff Canadian PT6A powered version:

I think I'm in love!!

I wonder if the A Model 1/72 King Air wings would work. Is there a 72nd Pucara?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2018, 02:48:42 AM »

There's the Airfix one:

Or the Special Hobby one:

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2018, 02:27:40 PM »

^^^^^
But I think they are the same mold. Am I right?

M.A.D · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2018, 07:08:33 PM »

Quote from: ysi_maniac on February 03, 2018, 08:38:07 PM

New tails for Pucara

I particularly like the top profile ysi_maniac - the one with the side-looking radar and A-10 twin tail fun arrangement!!

Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon

M.A.D

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2018, 01:54:30 AM »

Quote from: ysi_maniac on February 04, 2018, 02:27:40 PM

^^^^^
But I think they are the same mold. Am I right?

I believe you are correct.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:03:46 AM »

Quote from: M.A.D on February 04, 2018, 07:08:33 PM

Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon

There were actually developments with 30mm cannon:

IA-58B Pucará Bravo: Modified with deeper forward fuselage, allowing the 20 mm Hispano cannon to be replaced by two 30 mm DEFA cannons.

IA-58C Pucará Charlie: Single-seat version with additional 30 mm DEFA cannon supplementing existing gun armament.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:07:06 AM »

More to the jet Pucara:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:17:50 AM »

Rather than the photoshop PT6A powered version above, he is the real world version:

https://youtu.be/zGC3oizdMyM

It only has 950shp PT6A-62s (same engine as PC-9s) though and not the bigger -68C.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:23:46 AM »

As I'm sure you know the British 'acquired' a Pucara following the Falklands war:

What if as part of war reparations a squadron or two were provided to the RAF as a COIN platform. Might be interesting to see it in Harrier style scheme operating in Germany. Maybe add on some additional sensors etc:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:38:56 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2018, 02:48:42 AM

There's the Airfix one:

Some time ago on a Falklands War anniversary, Airfix released a set which included the Pucara. There's six kits in the box and three of them were reboxed from other manufacturers, the Pucara, the Mirage and the A-4. Got the set in the stash --- somewhere

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:45:17 AM »

More PT6A powered version photos:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:52:09 AM »

And more:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2018, 02:54:35 AM »

What would you say that air scoop is at the rear end of the nacelle Greg, not to do with the exhaust is it ?

Is this a recent modification ?

M.A.D · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2018, 03:25:03 AM »

Quote from: ysi_maniac on February 03, 2018, 08:38:07 PM

New tails for Pucara

I particularly like the top profile ysi_maniac - the one with the side-looking radar and A-10 twin tail fun arrangement!!

Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon

M.A.D

finsrin · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2018, 03:34:56 AM »

Pucara with inboard engines off P-3 would be high performance !

KiwiZac · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2018, 06:04:34 AM »

And if you can be patient, Kinetic is working on a 1/48 kit.

I'm wishing I'd waited and saved up for that rather than springing for the SH kit.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2018, 01:14:16 AM »

Quote from: KiwiZac on February 05, 2018, 06:04:34 AM

And if you can be patient, Kinetic is working on a 1/48 kit.

I'm wishing I'd waited and saved up for that rather than springing for the SH kit.

Oh shut up!! I have a couple of 1/48 resin ones...

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2018, 01:20:13 AM »

Quote from: M.A.D on February 05, 2018, 03:25:03 AM

Quote from: ysi_maniac on February 03, 2018, 08:38:07 PM
New tails for Pucara

I particularly like the top profile ysi_maniac - the one with the side-looking radar and A-10 twin tail fun arrangement!!
Any chance of a Alpha Jet like gun pod under the fuselage, say with a big bad ass Oerlikon KCA 30mm cannon or even a
Gsh-30-2 30mm cannon or 2A42 30mm cannon

M.A.D

Duplicate post??

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2018, 01:32:32 AM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on February 05, 2018, 02:54:35 AM

What would you say that air scoop is at the rear end of the nacelle Greg, not to do with the exhaust is it ?

Is this a recent modification ?

I believe the extra scoop is to provide more cooling air - apparently they have had some issues.

The mods were made in 2015 and the aircraft is now designated IA-58H.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #22 on:** February 06, 2018, 01:34:23 AM »

BTW, there was also the one-of IA-66 development with TPE-331s:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2018, 01:36:13 AM »

Thanks Greg, so it's an upgrade program to keep them flying ---

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2018, 01:40:45 AM »

It was...but it appears to have gone into hiatus in 2017....

BTW, here is a small drawing I found as well:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #25 on:** February 07, 2018, 03:00:09 AM »

Some more of the PT6 variant - I really like this one:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #26 on:** February 07, 2018, 03:03:48 AM »

What about an up-engined US version for use in low intensity COIN ops such as Afghanistan?

elmayerle · « **Reply #27 on:** February 08, 2018, 07:51:02 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 07, 2018, 03:00:09 AM

Some more of the PT6 variant - I really like this one:

If it doesn't have them, it really needs IRS exhausts such as are fitting to MC-12's et al.

apophenia · « **Reply #28 on:** February 08, 2018, 08:25:07 AM »

Quote from: Gingie on February 04, 2018, 02:37:47 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2018, 02:26:15 AM
Whiff Canadian PT6A powered version:

I think I'm in love!!

I wonder if the A Model 1/72 King Air wings would work. Is there a 72nd Pucara?

Thanks guys. I did that before I knew of the RW version. Looking at the whif afresh, the nacelles appear underscale and the exhaust pipes positively puny

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #29 on:** February 09, 2018, 01:55:21 AM »

Cool nose art:

Rickshaw · « **Reply #30 on:** February 09, 2018, 09:03:26 AM »

Why is the aircrew on the right only wearing one boot?

Old Wombat · « **Reply #31 on:** February 09, 2018, 03:28:40 PM »

Cost cuts!

Either that or he just did a "shoey" (note glass of wine in hand).

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #32 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:15:11 AM »

Quote from: Rickshaw on February 09, 2018, 09:03:26 AM

Why is the aircrew on the right only wearing one boot?

Here is the missing boot:

It was part of a celebration:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #33 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:17:31 AM »

More on the jet version:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #34 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:19:12 AM »

Rear view of the PT6 version:

and what it might have looked like in service:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #35 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:21:27 AM »

Another nose art shot:

These are still my favourites though:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #36 on:** February 10, 2018, 02:22:35 AM »

With torpedo:

A carrier based version with folding wings could be interesting.

Rickshaw · « **Reply #37 on:** February 10, 2018, 09:05:25 AM »

Does anybody know where I can get a copy of the nose as a 1/72 decal? I have a cunning plan...

kitnut617 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 10, 2018, 09:50:44 AM »

Special Hobby actually released their Pucara with decals for that Brian

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #39 on:** February 10, 2018, 09:54:07 AM »

Look here Brian: http://www.specialhobby.info/2014/03/172-fma-ia-58a-d-pucara-still-flying.html

elmayerle · « **Reply #40 on:** February 10, 2018, 11:40:37 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 10, 2018, 02:17:31 AM

More on the jet version:

Astafan engines or some other small turbofan? ISTR it used Astafans but that could be a glitch in the memory banks.

Rickshaw · « **Reply #41 on:** February 10, 2018, 11:52:38 AM »

Quote from: The Big Gimper on February 10, 2018, 09:54:07 AM

Look here Brian: http://www.specialhobby.info/2014/03/172-fma-ia-58a-d-pucara-still-flying.html

That works out perfectly. As I said, I have a cunning plan...

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #42 on:** February 11, 2018, 02:32:29 AM »

Quote from: elmayerle on February 10, 2018, 11:40:37 AM

ISTR it used Astafans but that could be a glitch in the memory banks.

Memory is still good my friend. Turbomeca Astafan IIs were proposed. These were turbofan engine developed from the Turbomeca Astazou which in turn was the engine already used by the Pucara.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #43 on:** February 11, 2018, 02:39:24 AM »

Pure whiff:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #44 on:** February 11, 2018, 02:48:32 AM »

Some whiff TPE331 powered variants:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #45 on:** February 11, 2018, 02:50:25 AM »

Telling your Pucara's apart:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #46 on:** February 11, 2018, 02:52:29 AM »

Cool image:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #47 on:** February 11, 2018, 02:56:18 AM »

Some creations from Clave:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #48 on:** February 11, 2018, 03:05:50 AM »

Some more torpedo shots:

AXOR · « **Reply #49 on:** February 11, 2018, 06:47:48 AM »

...and some from me :

jet Pucara

UAV Pucara

elmayerle · « **Reply #50 on:** February 11, 2018, 01:04:01 PM »

IA-66 with TPE-331 engines and intakes above the propeller looks to be a fairly direct replacement for the Astazou as both turboprops are direct drive rather than having the PT6A's separate power turbine. Absent discord with the UK prohibiting obtaining them, I would prefer the Dowty-Rotol prop to the McCauley prop and either to an equivalent Hartzell prop (case of experience with McCauley and Hartzell and hearing good things about Dowty-Rotol from someone with equivalent experience with them).

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #51 on:** February 12, 2018, 01:30:06 AM »

What about an Armée de l'Air Pucara?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #52 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:23:28 AM »

An old one from Chris:

elmayerle · « **Reply #53 on:** February 12, 2018, 02:24:53 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 12, 2018, 01:30:06 AM

What about an Armée de l'Air Pucara?

Definitely would keep the Astazou engines, there. I could see it as a replacement for their combat-oriented T-28s.

dams301 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 12, 2018, 05:09:38 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 12, 2018, 01:30:06 AM

What about an Armée de l'Air Pucara?

Great idea, I tought about it too

Having 2 SH in my stash, maybe one will be a french Armée de l'Air

M.A.D · « **Reply #55 on:** February 12, 2018, 01:44:04 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 12, 2018, 02:23:28 AM

An old one from Chris:

Miss Coops work

M. A. D

M.A.D · « **Reply #56 on:** February 12, 2018, 01:46:05 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 11, 2018, 02:48:32 AM

Some whiff TPE331 powered variants:

Some great profiles there GTX!!

M. A. D

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #57 on:** February 13, 2018, 03:03:35 AM »

Pucara and A-10 together.

elmayerle · « **Reply #58 on:** February 13, 2018, 04:01:53 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 13, 2018, 03:03:35 AM

Pucara and A-10 together.

Give the Pucara a suitable sensor and designator fit and have it scout for the A-10.

KiwiZac · « **Reply #59 on:** February 13, 2018, 04:35:49 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 06, 2018, 01:34:23 AM

BTW, there was also the one-of IA-66 development with TPE-331s:

That looks really smart. I like it.

elmayerle · « **Reply #60 on:** February 13, 2018, 08:25:40 AM »

Been thinking of building an IA-66 using bits from an OV-10 while the Astazou bits from the Pucara go to make a French OV-10 variant.

Gingie · « **Reply #61 on:** February 16, 2018, 11:07:34 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 10, 2018, 02:17:31 AM

More on the jet version:

I mean, that pretty much seals a A-10 / Pucara crossover. A-10 with Pucara wings/engines & vice versa-ish.

Gingie · « **Reply #62 on:** February 16, 2018, 11:11:30 PM »

oh, the A-10 is bigger than I thought.

Pucara with Su-25 wings & engines?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #63 on:** February 17, 2018, 05:08:23 AM »

Some more IA-58C pics:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #64 on:** February 17, 2018, 05:10:07 AM »

Something different:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #65 on:** February 17, 2018, 05:13:15 AM »

Some more of Clave's work:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #66 on:** February 17, 2018, 05:17:19 AM »

Some more info on the TPE331 powered IA-66 derivative:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #67 on:** February 17, 2018, 09:39:02 AM »

Well, both AModel and RVHP make a 1/72 Beech 1900 ----- could be a good source for engines. Or 1/72 Jetstreams ---

hmm! think on this I will

elmayerle · « **Reply #68 on:** February 17, 2018, 10:24:03 AM »

A Model and RVHP for engines if you're doing the PT6A-powered aircraft; Jetstream if you are going an IA-66 (though I expect my approach of swapping engines between a Pucara and a Bronco might be less expensive, if not quite 100% accurate.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #69 on:** February 18, 2018, 01:42:20 AM »

A couple more of Clave's:

Gingie · « **Reply #70 on:** February 25, 2018, 01:15:57 PM »

Pucara Wings & Engines on a Delfin?

KiwiZac · « **Reply #71 on:** March 07, 2018, 04:38:48 AM »

With all these wonderful profiles I don't think I can build my SH kit as a Malvinas machine now. Bring on the weekend so I can get into it! SAAF or RNZAF are looking good right now...

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #72 on:** March 08, 2018, 01:40:43 AM »

Good choices...

KiwiZac · « **Reply #73 on:** March 19, 2018, 05:38:17 AM »

Greg I had a brainwave, then saw your post that mirrored my thinking:

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 05, 2018, 02:23:46 AM

As I'm sure you know the British 'acquired' a Pucara following the Falklands war:

What if as part of war reparations a squadron or two were provided to the RAF as a COIN platform. Might be interesting to see it in Harrier style scheme operating in Germany. Maybe add on some additional sensors etc:

Airframe together, some gap-filling required but decals and weapons are out....

Geoff · « **Reply #74 on:** March 19, 2018, 07:38:25 AM »

I did read that both Egypt and Iraq looked at the Pucara but there were no deliveries.

Edit Also Iran ordered some. Egypt may have been a Wif, but I read it in a book at the air museum and don't have the reference

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #75 on:** March 19, 2018, 07:14:17 PM »

I was aware of the Iraq and Iran interest but haven't heard about Egypt.

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Author Topic: IA-58 Pucara (Read 21699 times)