Beyond The Sprues

Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Aero-space => Topic started by: Litvyak on October 03, 2014, 09:10:45 PM

Title: Another project started...
Post by: Litvyak on October 03, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
My completion rate isn't very good, admittedly, but I've started another project, hopefully this one I'll finish!

(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv104/litvyak/Dominion%20of%20BC/100_0960_zps6efb2743.jpg)

(http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv104/litvyak/Dominion%20of%20BC/100_0961_zpsb0c4d099.jpg)

The first step is done, anyways - cutting the fuselage halves of an Airfix Bristol Belvedere... funnily enough this actually helped the fit a bit... this kit, fit-wise, is awful.
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Tophe on October 04, 2014, 12:40:07 AM
Good start. What will you do on this basis? A standard Bristol Belvedere or a weird model impossible to classify? ;)
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: kitnut617 on October 04, 2014, 01:18:02 AM
Hmm yeah, what's the plan ?
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Alvis 3.1 on October 04, 2014, 02:02:39 AM
As long as it's called "Wesley" it's good for my line of thinking.


Alvis 3.1
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Weaver on October 04, 2014, 05:59:09 AM
Intrigued......
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: finsrin on October 04, 2014, 09:21:51 AM
Hmmmm,,, whatz it gunna be  ???
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Litvyak on October 04, 2014, 10:17:24 AM
It is going to be a Yarrows Helicopter Yarksis HASR.3A of the Royal BC Navy.

Teensy bit of backstory: Yarrows Shipbuilding of Victoria, BC, established its Helicopter Division in 1959, to licence-build the Bristol Sycamore (as the Yarrows Yoho); the Yoho entered service with the BC Army, the RBCAF and the RBCN from 1961, gradually replacing the Bristol-built Sycamores. In that same year the RBCAF received Belvederes from Bristol, and subsequently Yarrows obtained a licence to build the Belvedere in BC, too (as the Yarksis). Both the Yoho and the Yarksis were developed in multiple variants for all three (four, if you count the RBCM as separate from the Navy) branches of the BC Defence Force.

The only variant of the Yarksis used by the RBCN was the HASR.x. Like the HSR variant for the Air Force, the HASR was shortened from the base design (the Yarksis HC as used by the Air Force, which was identical in length to the Belvedere), although the naval variant was somewhat longer than the air force version - whereas the latter was exclusively for SAR duties, the naval version added an ASW capability.

The HASR.3 were the third iteration of the naval variant, which entered service in 1977, and from 1995 through 1999, all were gradually upgraded and life-extended by De Havilland BC (which had in the interim absorbed Yarrows' Helicopter Division) under the 'YUP' programme (Yarksis Upgrade Programme); the YUPped Yarkses were designated HASR.3A. This should keep the helicopters in useful service until about 2020-2025.

I've got a Belcher Bits CH-124A conversion kit that I intend to apply to this to reflect some of the YUP upgrades, and I'm gonna ransack the spare parts boxes to see what else I might be able to use for this project.
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Tophe on October 04, 2014, 11:13:36 AM
Thanks for this explanation! :)
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Post by: kitnut617 on October 04, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
Good story  :)

I'm going to watch this too ---  so keep posting updates please   8)
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: elmayerle on October 04, 2014, 11:34:47 PM
Good back story and I'll be most interested in seeing how it evolves.
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Rickshaw on October 05, 2014, 11:27:24 AM
"Yoho"?  "Yarksis"?   Do these names mean something?  What is the derivation, please?
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: apophenia on October 05, 2014, 11:35:25 AM

I wanted to ask the same question. I assume that Yoho is after the national park. Is Yarksis from the Ahousat Band or after the beach on Vargas Island?

Regardless, great concept and an excellent start  :)  Shortening the Belvedere fuselage should improve its looks considerably!
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Litvyak on October 05, 2014, 01:20:46 PM
Yeah, "Yoho" is after the park - at the time I started working on the Sycamore idea, trying to decide who should be the licence-holder in BC, I was listening to an old song by Wilf Carter, "My Little Yoho Lady"...

http://youtu.be/pK7T5suoUnU (http://youtu.be/pK7T5suoUnU)

...and it hit me: "Yoho" as the BC name, and it clicked at once: Yarrows Shipbuilding forms a rotorcraft division. Of course, opting for this made it a bit difficult to find a name for the Belvedere. So I turned to the BC Gazetteer and found mention of the Yarksis Indian Reserve 11, and there I had it.
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Litvyak on October 05, 2014, 01:22:09 PM
Ooh, and on that note, I forgot to mention, I had a skookum time out on the saltchuck a couple weekends back... ;)
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 06, 2014, 03:07:29 AM
Ooh, and on that note, I forgot to mention, I had a skookum time out on the saltchuck a couple weekends back... ;)

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Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Litvyak on October 06, 2014, 03:30:28 AM
Ooh, and on that note, I forgot to mention, I had a skookum time out on the saltchuck a couple weekends back... ;)

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Welcome to (RW!) BC English.  ;D

"Skookum" and "saltchuck" are both words from Chinook Wawa that are still used in BC English. Skookum means "strong, great, powerful" etc, and "chuck" means "water", and so "saltchuck", i.e. "salt water", refers to the ocean.

So that sentence means "I had a great time out on the salt water a couple weekends back", out on a boat with some friends. :)

RW there are only a few Chinook words still used, those being the two most common, the only other ones I've ever heard used are "cultus" ("bad") and "siwash" (which is a Native person, but sadly is nowadays considered somewhat derogatory). In AltBC, of course, with Chinook Wawa having official status, there are a lot more Chinook words used in BC English.
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 06, 2014, 03:36:41 AM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: apophenia on October 06, 2014, 05:11:15 AM
Connect those together and you get Skookumchuck ... meaning roughly 'know what your doing on these waters or die!'  ;D

Now-derogatory words often remain in placenames. Two Squamish examples are Siwash Rock and Klootchman Park in West Van.

This might be handy for others: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinook_Jargon_place_names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinook_Jargon_place_names)
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Litvyak on October 06, 2014, 05:15:56 AM
Hm! I was actually not aware "klootchman" was derogatory now!

I do know there was a Chinaman Lake in BC that had its name changed, and there was a Stalin Township in Ontario that was renamed in 1986...
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 06, 2014, 05:25:25 AM
And then there was Berlin, Ontario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_to_Kitchener_name_change) .....
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Weaver on October 06, 2014, 05:33:54 AM
I presume you've worked out the rotor clearances before shortening it (the Belvedere did have bit of wriggle room in this regard)? Also, what's your solution to the perennial Airfix Belvedere problem, namely the lower nose glazing (it's one-piece on the real thing, but the kit has a seam down the middle of it)? Since this is a whiff project you're free to adopt whiff solutions, like having an extra glazing frame down the middle of it, for example.
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Litvyak on October 06, 2014, 02:13:46 PM
Weaver: I haven't gone as far as the glazing. We'll see what I do when I get to it!
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: raafif on October 07, 2014, 03:51:52 AM
just add a radome (*large chin ;) like the Russian Hormone & paint the area black.

No problem with inter-meshing rotors .... just borrow the mechanism from Kaman ... but that would probably be more suitable for a short-short "egg" Belvedere ;D
Title: Re: Another project started...
Post by: Weaver on October 07, 2014, 09:15:02 AM
It's not the intermeshing of the rotors that's the issue when shortening a tandem-rotor helo, it's the clearance between the front rotor and the rear pylon, which is taller than it. On the Belvedere there was a considerable gap between the two, so I'm guessing this shortened one will stil be okay.