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A Waterbombing Gannet
« on: May 14, 2019, 06:06:36 AM »
Hi all,

Sorry I'm a bit late for this one, basically delayed by a project overrun of the yellow supermarine  but also hampered by the fact that the doner kit I intended using had some major parts missing and I had to order a replacement.

No backstory as such but the premise for this whiff is that a requirement was required in a coastal area prone to bush fires for a water bomber that would also double up on other roles such as maritime patrol or air sea rescue.

The Fairey Gannet mk 4 was chosen for conversion for a number of reasons,  its carring capacity for starters then its endurance and ability to loiter on one engine. The three crew positions was the final clincher for the maritime patrol requirement.

The aircraft had all of its offensive equipment removed including dustbin radar, the bomb doors were removed as well to make way for a custom built water tank which added a little depth to the fuselage as ground clearance was limited but was bulged sideways to add some more capacity.

The area previously occupied by the radar was fitted with chutes to dispense flares and a life raft.

Here is the starter kit :-

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A much  more accurate kit than the Novo version I was going to use, but that wasn't completely wasted as the bottom half of the old fuselage will be used to produce the shape of the new water tank

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More when it happens........

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2019, 08:17:10 AM »
Yellow or white and red?
Looks like fun!

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2019, 12:51:04 PM »
You are so on my wavelength  ;D

Or am I getting predictable ?

Looking at yellow and red for the final colours

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 06:50:53 PM »
Check Drawdecals for several waterbomber markings options. The ones I got for the fire watch Cobra look very good!

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 09:25:05 PM »
Thanks kenrick, I will have a look, might save me some time getting the finished paint scheme completed

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 10:50:59 PM »
Hi kerrick

Some good ideas there but they are extracting the urine on the cost of  postage to the UK,  $14 for something you can stick in a stiff envelope is a bit extravagant

I will try and find an outlet over here

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 11:33:19 PM »
This is going to look awesome! Are you going to keep all three stations, or delete the guy in the back?

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 02:47:28 AM »
I may be wrong, but I don't think you can buy Draw Decals anywhere else other than from the man ---

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 05:44:26 AM »
Hi all

Frank3k:- yep going to keep  all three flying stations in line with the air sea rescue secondary role, also the aircraft could function as an operations coordinator in its primary role.

I was tempted to remove the rear crew station to make room for additional water capacity but reasoned that the additional weight of water would push the centre of gravity too far backwards. I suppose I could have converted it to a tail sitter with the tail wheel installed where the arrester hook  came out, but I like the Gannet too much and wanted to keep its nose wheel stance.

Kitnut617 :- bang on, Blackbird Models carry a selection of Draw Decals but sadly the ones I wanted are out of stock or not stocked at all, curses !

I will raid my decal stash or have a go at creating my own.

Thanks for looking..........

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 05:47:58 AM »
Great concept! Most waterbombers end up looking like a pregnant perch and the Gannet is already there  ;D

Looking forward to this  :smiley:
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 03:31:31 PM »

nice idea !


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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2019, 04:36:38 PM »
Thanks guys.

The bulk of this build is straight out of the box, but I wanted to give it as much water capacity as possible, however it is turning out  not as much as I wanted as I had to squeeze the tank in between the undercarriage legs and also had to take the ground clearace into consideration.  The AEW version  would have given me more clearance but then I would have lost  two of the crew positions.

Always the trade off........

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 10:19:03 PM »
hi all

A bit more progress on the Gannet.

The water tank has now been constructed and had a test fit on the fuselage

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To avoid the model being a tailsitter I have packed out the nose with lead weights held in with Milliput.

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more as it happens.......

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 03:49:39 AM »
I like the look of that water tank, Mog!

Fire-fighting aircraft are always sharp. Much looking forward to this one!

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2019, 05:04:04 AM »
I like the look of that water tank, Mog!

Yup! Some serious fire-retardant capacity there  :smiley:
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2019, 05:52:47 AM »
Some good kit bashing there  :smiley:

But I'm wondering if it's necessary. I've got a firebomber project going too, a Sunderland, but I figured it could only carry 8000 gals max of water (and I've upgraded the aircraft with turbo-props).
So I was just looking at the numbers for the Gannet. Empty weight it's 14,000lb (or 15,000lb depending who's quoting), max take-off weight is 22,000lb (and anywhere down to 19,000lb depending who's quoting  :P ). Fuel capacity is 613 Imp' Gals which would weigh just over 4,000lb, add in some other weight (oil, other equipment, crew) say 1000lb, you're down to 3000lb for a load. So with water at just over 10lb an Imp Gal, you would have a volume of 300 Gal, you could fit that in the existing bomb bay --- of course, your project could have been severely upgraded too  ----  ;)
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2019, 02:20:30 PM »
Thanks for the comment chaps,

Kitnut617:-  can't argue with the maths, I went through something similar when I was planning this one. Figured there would be some extra weight savings stripping out all the military stuff and removing the wing folding gear leaving the wings locked down (sorry didn't mention that one earlier). Anyways thought that would give me a margin (and an excuse) to increase the tankage a bit. There was always a trade off between payload and range on this one !

Thanks for looking............


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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2019, 09:29:24 PM »
Hey Mog --- wasn't being negative 'cause I like the idea. I just have this thing about plausibility when I do projects like this, my bad ----

Anyway, as you say, quite a bit of the empty weight would be taken up by all the equipment that if taken out/removed, would definitely increase the load capacity. Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield   ;D

Here's a link to the Sunderland TP, I've not done too much to it for the last four years though ---  :-X
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1235.0

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2019, 12:20:28 AM »
HI Kitnut, no offense taken in any way whatsoever, I like feedback it keeps me on my toes and you obviously spent some thinking time on this, so thank you. ;)

 "Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Hey, I know real world has got in the way but you gotta finish that Sunderland, it's gonna look wicked in the catalina/canso colour scheme

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2019, 12:47:40 AM »
It's on the list for the 'Clear your Workbench' GB, this year, next year ---  :-[

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2019, 04:05:08 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2019, 06:30:43 AM »
Aaaaaah !  Too late, I've deleted the tail hook !   ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2019, 07:26:08 AM »
And the Theres  more..............

Curiously this model does not mention anything about nose weight in the instructions and the flaps are designed to be shown deployed only, which is unusual for a nose wheel aircraft, it was only when I read up on other people's  builds I discovered that  the prop is modelled in a feathered position and it  is  meant to be propped up on the extended radar dustbin to avoid tail sitting, fine idea but the whole thing would look  really strange and unrealistic.

So the nose weight is in, to compensate for the removal  of the radar dustbin and  I haven't found any pictures of the Gannet parked with the flaps deployed so I'm going to model them closed. I tend to show my model aircraft in a parked stance so the feathered prop is no problem.

Because the model is designed to have the flaps deployed there is no locating mechanism so I've glued some small slivers of plastic to support the flaps in the closed position, also I have filled in the slots on the flaps themselves.

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There are slots on the trailing edges of the wings that may need to be filled in, I need to check some photos first

The new water tank is now glued in position and work has commenced on smoothing it into the fuselage, at the same time the plate for the lift raft and flare tubes has been installed and will be smoothed into the fuselage also

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More when it happens...........

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2019, 06:30:38 PM »
Hi all

Just a little aside, found this on utube

https://youtu.be/9mN_jsBxVt0

I remember it first time round, I'm sure they used the studio version of Shine on You Crazy Diamond then.

This is back in the day when the Royal Navy had Teeth, happy days, < sigh>

Anyways there are a couple of shots of the AEW Gannet that look absolutely majestic.........

Enjoy

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2019, 02:24:59 AM »
Nice video.

As an aside, there is a 1/48 kit of the Fairey Gannet AEW.3 available:

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2019, 05:41:05 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D


I remember an article IIRC from Popular Mechanics magazine about a proposed catapult and arresting system for Marine aircraft in Vietnam. The catapult never turned out but now every military runway has portable arrestor gear. Maybe an electric catapult system for modern use? It would take a honkin big generator!
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2019, 07:42:21 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D


I remember an article IIRC from Popular Mechanics magazine about a proposed catapult and arresting system for Marine aircraft in Vietnam. The catapult never turned out but now every military runway has portable arrestor year. Maybe an electric catapult system for modern use? It would take a honkin big generator!

I'm sorry but this brings up a vision of two big trucks and a massive bungee chord. The two trucks drive off and when the bungee is tight enough they let go of the aircraft.

A bit mad even for whif world........ ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2019, 09:23:00 AM »
"Range though would have to be kept I would think, wild fires have a habit of starting nowhere near an airfield" -- absolutely  :smiley:

Okay, now you've got me thinking about mobile catapult systems and arrestor gear for ex-carrier aircraft waterbombers operating from shorter, remote strips  ;D


I remember an article IIRC from Popular Mechanics magazine about a proposed catapult and arresting system for Marine aircraft in Vietnam. The catapult never turned out but now every military runway has portable arrestor year. Maybe an electric catapult system for modern use? It would take a honkin big generator!

I'm sorry but this brings up a vision of two big trucks and a massive bungee chord. The two trucks drive off and when the bungee is tight enough they let go of the aircraft.

A bit mad even for whif world........ ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Poor man’s catapult launch system! Or a giant trebuchet at the end of the runway!

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2019, 09:30:10 AM »
A trebuchet launched Gannet !  Hahahaha

Are you getting as loony as me or am I catching up with you ?  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2019, 11:09:29 AM »
It would make a very interesting diorama!

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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2019, 06:53:43 PM »
It would get my vote in a competition   ;D

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2019, 11:05:26 PM »
Right...….

Back to the serious(ish) stuff, a small progress update.

The new water tank is just about complete, all the PSR is done apart from some scratches to buff out, I have added the water release doors, the Life raft chute, and the flare projectors. I also had to file a couple of depressions either side to give the wheels a bit more clearance

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The rest of the construction should be pretty much Out of The Box but there could be a few further tweaks if they occur to me.

More as it happens...……….

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2019, 11:54:58 PM »
Hey! that's looking really nice  :smiley:

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2019, 02:27:31 PM »
Thanks Kitnut  :D

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2019, 01:11:31 AM »
Hey! that's looking really nice  :smiley:

Looks every bit the business to me too.
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2019, 10:56:46 AM »
Thanks Brian

Another update soon.........

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2019, 05:19:09 PM »
Hi all

Another small update.

All the big bits are stuck together now and the smaller bits prepped. I have successfully produced and tested my own decals so should be able to complete the Gannet fairly soon real world permitting.

I've had to attach rather than embed  a progress picture because Flickr are 'updating' their website, hopefully they will have got their act together by the time I have finished this kit.
 
The Gannet is currently in the paint shop so the next post should be the finished article

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2019, 02:19:14 AM »
That's coming along splendidly and the idea of a Gannet fire-bomber delights me to no end!

Thanks for a great update, Mog!

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2019, 06:17:30 PM »
Might fine job

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2019, 06:09:27 AM »
Thanks guys

Sorry this isn't the final post

Thought I was going to get this one out on time but the transparencies have been complete B@5t@r*5!  Its going to take a bit of work to make them passable.

Fortunately I've now got a bit more time courtesy of Mr jcf.

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2019, 08:58:29 AM »
Shock Horror guys I've finished this one on time !

Its the first time i've had a go at producing my own decals and they have come out OK, i will do a separate piece on those later.

Shoutout to Kitnut617 for unknowingly being the catalyst for giving me its tanker number and the aviation joke.

Naturally all the serials are spurious.   

so without further ado i present the Fairey Gannet waterbomber.

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as always all comment and criticism gratefully accepted

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2019, 10:47:17 AM »
I have to  love that logo and motto on the tail; most appropriate for the role.

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2019, 01:45:58 PM »

very beautiful idea !
and building too !

and nice tail logo indeed  ;D

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2019, 02:31:49 PM »
Gannet needs paint job like that.  Definite appearance improvement.  :smiley:

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2019, 05:16:07 PM »
Must admit I was somewhat skeptical about this but the final product is the Bomb! :icon_alabanza: 8)
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2019, 09:04:20 PM »
Awesome!   :-* :-* :-*

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2019, 02:13:59 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2019, 04:45:49 AM »
That came out great! The decal is a nice touch, too. I can imagine a smaller fire spotter plane called the "Après moi, le déluge"

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2019, 05:42:04 AM »
Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated

Frank3k
That came out great! The decal is a nice touch, too. I can imagine a smaller fire spotter plane called the "Après moi, le déluge"

Like that Idea, a double play on the same funny,  envisioning a Cessna 337 or Piper Cub spotter.

Hmmmmm  food for thought ............  ;)

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2019, 05:51:17 PM »
Talk about a stunning finish!

Most eye-catching and I love the custom decals!

Most excellent, Mog!

Brian da Basher

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2019, 05:07:41 AM »
Thanks Brian

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2019, 02:57:35 AM »
Mighty good looking build! Love the red accents and the motto.

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2019, 09:59:07 AM »
Frank3k
That came out great! The decal is a nice touch, too. I can imagine a smaller fire spotter plane called the "Après moi, le déluge"

Like that Idea, a double play on the same funny,  envisioning a Cessna 337 or Piper Cub spotter.

Hmmmmm  food for thought ............  ;)
I'd go for the 337, the high wing lets you look down easier.  I could see an argument for a Cessna 177/177RG or Cessna 210 with unbraced wings, but the 337 is probably more practical from a model kit availability point of view.  Though, if you decide to whif the aircraft with regard to engines, I can see replacing the Continental IO360s with a pair of Allison 250B turboprops.

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2019, 02:44:09 PM »
Thanks Dr Y

Hi elmayerle, your absolutely right, all the aircraft mentioned are suitable, but modern civil avaition is still poorly represented in the model world so a 337 would be most practical. I would probably stick with the Continentals though as I have no idea where to get a pair of Allisons from in 1/72 scale. I have a 337/02 in the Box of Doom so I am sorely tempted to make another fire watcher. (When I have finished my backlog of current builds ha ha !)

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2019, 10:16:50 PM »
Frank3k
That came out great! The decal is a nice touch, too. I can imagine a smaller fire spotter plane called the "Après moi, le déluge"

Like that Idea, a double play on the same funny,  envisioning a Cessna 337 or Piper Cub spotter.

Hmmmmm  food for thought ............  ;)
I'd go for the 337, the high wing lets you look down easier.  I could see an argument for a Cessna 177/177RG or Cessna 210 with unbraced wings, but the 337 is probably more practical from a model kit availability point of view.  Though, if you decide to whif the aircraft with regard to engines, I can see replacing the Continental IO360s with a pair of Allison 250B turboprops.

Or even like this

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Re: A Waterbombing Gannet
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2019, 11:17:24 PM »
That's Interesting, Didn't know that one existed, could even follow a similar paint scheme for a fire watcher.

Guys, you are really stoking my imagination !  ;) :D :smiley:

Mog
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