Douglas F4D Skyray and F5D Skylancer

[Daryl J.]

Skyray with a Blue Vixen radar, 4 AIM 120s, and Norwegian Air Force. 

[elmayerle]

I reckon a Skylancer would be a better choice for that equipment and missile fit.  Perhaps the proposed F5D-2 shown in the Ginter book, the one with the J79.

Another thought, an enlarged, all-weather F5D with a J75, F-105-style intakes, and increased stores carriage.

[Daryl J.]

Agreed.   


I wish one were available by the mainstream manufacturers. 


I've been eyeing my extra Skyray Tamiya kit thinking it should be not RW.

[GTX_Admin]

I could have a go at making some resin or vacuform copies of my 1/48 Collect-aire kit...

[Daryl J.]

 

[elmayerle]

I could have a go at making some resin or vacuform copies of my 1/48 Collect-aire kit...

Lead me not into temptation...

It does sound intriquing, though.  I think the remote southern stash still has the Maintrack 1/72 vac-form.

[dy031101]

Revisiting stuff that I did, but what says we throw in Lippisch's coal-fuel ramjet?

Skyray-based:



Skylancer-based:

[finsrin]

Those are sweet  :)
Can see them as bombers with top mounted jets like AR555.

[dy031101]

Can see them as bombers with top mounted jets like AR555.

The entire central fuselage is one big combustion chamber IIRC, so internal bombload might be a tad difficult......

[dy031101]

Skyray with a Blue Vixen radar, 4 AIM 120s, and Norwegian Air Force.

Actually, how would the Skyray perform as a reconnaissance machine?

Say, a Grifo radar, 4 Derby AAMs, one of the external fuel tanks with reduced fuel load in favour of a LOROP camera...... things of this nature?

[Daryl J.]

Skyray with a Blue Vixen radar, 4 AIM 120s, and Norwegian Air Force.

Actually, how would the Skyray perform as a reconnaissance machine?

Say, a Grifo radar, 4 Derby AAMs, one of the external fuel tanks with reduced fuel load in favour of a LOROP camera...... things of this nature?

One of my questions has been "What if Herge had kept Khemed in its original location of Britsh Mandate Palestine?".   Not only would certain aspects of Tintin stories make more geographical sense, one could then have a Khemedi Skyray outfitted as such.    Derbys and a Grifo with some recce podding to boot......?    I like that idea. 

[ChernayaAkula]

Was googlin' for something else and came across a preview thumbnail of something that looked like a recon Skyray. Good idea, I thought.

Nose is straight off an F9F-8P Cougar and should be just about to scale.

[Volkodav]

RAN buys Skyray as a replacement for the Sea venom instead of the Skyhawk.

USN develops Skyray as an air defence fighter for use on USN and foreign CVS.

[jcf]

Uh, the F4D Skyray was a fleet air defense fighter/interceptor.

[Volkodav]

Uh, the F4D Skyray was a fleet air defense fighter/interceptor.

Yes but was it qualified on straight deck CVS and Majestic class carriers?  That's what I was looking for, I should have specified for small ships 

[GTX_Admin]

I know a few have done this:

[GTX_Admin]

And let's not forget its big brother:

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Now that there are 1:144 and 1:200 scale kits available of the Avro Vulcan, I am curious to know what a Skyray or Sky Lancer would look like with the crescent wing shape that was used on the later marks of the Vulcan. 

[jcf]

From the F4D chapter of Tommy Thomasons U.S. Naval Air Superiority: Development of Shipborne Jet Fighters 1943-1962:

"Takeoff performance was sensational in afterburner although it was discouraged because of fuel
consumption. With enough wind over the deck, the F4D could actually be deck launched given the
front half or so of the deck for a takeoff run. This was actually done once after VF-101's Lt. Max
Morris landed his F4D on the British carrier Ark Royal in a cross-decking exercise from
Saratoga in late 1957 and discovered that his holdback fitting was damaged. He only used
600 feet of deck even with full internal fuel."

However it is also stated that "The F4D was too much airplane for the catapults and arresting gear of
an Essex-class carrier ... "; from comments by Rear-Admiral E.L. Feightner based on his experience
as Commander Air Group 10 from 20 March 1959 to 18 March 1960. The main problem was getting
enough wind over the bows to allow launching with external tanks, launching with internal fuel only
limited missions to 30 - 40 minutes.

So would development for smaller carriers have been possible? Probably, but the fuel consumption and
limited internal tankage issues would need to be addressed.

[ChernayaAkula]

Now that there are 1:144 and 1:200 scale kits available of the Avro Vulcan, I am curious to know what a Skyray or Sky Lancer would look like with the crescent wing shape that was used on the later marks of the Vulcan.

Hmmm, your mentioning of 1/144 got me thinking about scale-o-rama'ed Skyrays. Side-by-side seating, twin-engined, twin-tailed, Viggen-style undercarriage, with a weapons bay....

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Now that there are 1:144 and 1:200 scale kits available of the Avro Vulcan, I am curious to know what a Skyray or Sky Lancer would look like with the crescent wing shape that was used on the later marks of the Vulcan.

Hmmm, your mentioning of 1/144 got me thinking about scale-o-rama'ed Skyrays. Side-by-side seating, twin-engined, twin-tailed, Viggen-style undercarriage, with a weapons bay....

Always happy to help stir the ideas pot :)

[elmayerle]

Well, supposedly the production F5D-2 was to use the J79.  I was thinking of doing a "big brother, scaled up to fit a J75 and with variable intakes (I'm thinking F-105-style for aesthetics).

[GTX_Admin]

[raafif]

Skyray in British service ....

[Old Wombat]

Was googlin' for something else and came across a preview thumbnail of something that looked like a recon Skyray. Good idea, I thought.

Nose is straight off an F9F-8P Cougar and should be just about to scale.

Hah! Just noticed this! And two years after it was posted I built this!


Grumman F4D-1P Spyray

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