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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »
The USN Bucc looks right, very very believable

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2013, 07:26:53 PM »
Those are great Buzzbomb: the Marineflieger Bucc is so "shoulda" it hurts, doesn't it? (Hawker Siddeley had a serious go at that, but their salesmen wern't in the same league as Lockheed's and they got absolutely no help from HMG either....  >:D)

An Indian Bucc makes sense to me: they have a clear anti-shipping requirement (look at the Jaguar Ms) and the "nuclear bomber" issue obviously wasn't a showstopper when we sold them Canberra B(I).8s.
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2013, 08:31:39 PM »
You can make a Coulda Woulda Shoulda argument for the RAF buying F-14s or F-15s instead of Tornado ADVs. There were good reasons why they chose not to at the time the decision was made (mid 1970s) but the debate was a real one: see Battle Flight for details.

Some more:

Britain buys US-built F-86s in 1950 (rather than Canadian ones in 1953) so that the RAF can go to Korea, then develops and builds the Avon-Sabre as a joint British/Aussie project (use a Special Hobby F-86H as the basis of the model). Combine this with the FAA going Grumman (see other posts) and you have Hawker reduced to a licenced producer of other people's designs.

At the time of the F-16 sale to the Netherlands/Belgium/Norway/Denmark consortium, the British proposal was for a 50/50 split between Jaguars for strike and Mirage F1-53s (M53 engine) for air defence. What if the consortium had decided that buying European was more important and actually gone for this option?

Buccaneer shouldas: RAF (stretched with afterburners and bogie u/c instead of TSR.2 in 1960), Germany (Marineflieger at least: they were interested), Australia, India....

RN gets CVA 1, 2 & 3 then needs to replace the F-4K with something that can fly from a carrier in the late 80s, enter the RR Spey (enhanced) powered F-14K.  RAF gets annoyed that the FAA can run rings around them and cans the ADV in favour of something hotter....

One Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda I keep coming back to is the Hawker Henley, the RAF should have ordered it and in addition the RN should have developed the Hurricane and Henley as replacements for the Nimrod and Osprey.

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »
Going back to the 1930s, one "shoulda" might be the RAF ordering a radial-engined monoplane fighter instead of buying too many Gladiators. The Gloster F.5/34 would be ideal, and would form the basis of a useful naval fighter too. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2013, 02:18:48 AM »
Going back to the 1930s, one "shoulda" might be the RAF ordering a radial-engined monoplane fighter instead of buying too many Gladiators. The Gloster F.5/34 would be ideal, and would form the basis of a useful naval fighter too. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34


There is actually a 1/72 kit (if you are into that deviant scale) available too:

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2013, 03:28:51 AM »
It could have happened that Rockwell's proposal was selected, instead of Grumman's, for what became known as X-29.


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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2013, 04:46:05 AM »
Going back to the 1930s, one "shoulda" might be the RAF ordering a radial-engined monoplane fighter instead of buying too many Gladiators. The Gloster F.5/34 would be ideal, and would form the basis of a useful naval fighter too. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34


There is actually a 1/72 kit (if you are into that deviant scale) available too:




And MPM are going to do one in styrene

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2013, 06:38:34 AM »
That is a very nice looking aircraft.  I've never heard of it but it looks like a copy of the Japanese Zero.  Would it have been as good ?
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2013, 06:40:27 AM »
I've never heard of it but it looks like a copy of the Japanese Zero.

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2013, 06:53:21 AM »
Really ?
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2013, 09:35:45 AM »
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2013, 09:59:35 AM »
Going back to the 1930s, one "shoulda" might be the RAF ordering a radial-engined monoplane fighter instead of buying too many Gladiators. The Gloster F.5/34 would be ideal, and would form the basis of a useful naval fighter too. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_F.5/34


There is actually a 1/72 kit (if you are into that deviant scale) available too:




And MPM are going to do one in styrene


Found some mold shots here.

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2013, 05:58:20 AM »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2013, 04:14:45 AM »
just gotta love Rockwell's Sabrebat, i saw the mockup at Paris many years ago and grabbed every brochure and piccie they had avaliable at the trade stand, possibly the most beautiful aircraft ever designed ?  :-*

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2013, 10:59:29 AM »
A rumour I heard from a (now deceased) colleague would be a good Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda.  Basically Australia didn't deploy land forces to Desert Storm because their armoured vehicles were seen as not survivable, this bloke I knew was a WO combat spanner in 1 Armoured Regiment at the time and told me that Germany offered to provide Australia with vehicles straight from their stocks so that 1 Armd and possibly the whole of 1 Bde could have deployed.  Think Leo 2s (and / or Leopard 1A5) and Marders, plus Fuchs and possibly Lynx equipping an Australian brigade group in Desert Storm.  Also at this time Australia had quite good relations with Sweden and it is conceivable (though unlikely) that the S Tank could have been offered to beef up the DFS / AT capability of the mechanised infantry or cavalry in the initial Desert Shield phase before being used as assault guns during Desert Storm.

A desert diorama of buff or sand painted Leo 1 A5, 2s, Marders, M-113, MRV, S Tanks, etc comes to mind.

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2013, 05:31:10 PM »
Time for some more inspiration:













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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2013, 09:44:36 PM »
That Starfighter with the Draken recon nose!   :icon_surprised: Tis beautiful!  :-* *eyes-Hase-RF-35-and-Starfighter-in-the-stash* And is that a frame-less windscreen?
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2013, 10:09:27 PM »
I love the Avon Sabre in RAN FAA markings... Sweet! :-*

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2013, 10:50:30 AM »
I know that 1:1 Whiff!! An Avon Sabre in VC-724 sqdn Macchi 326 colours, got some pics of my own of that, certainly upset the senior RAAFies at Avalon (? I think ?)  ;D but that'll learn 'em for allowing sailors to paint it for their aircraft finishing course!!!!  ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2013, 11:18:50 AM »
I know that 1:1 Whiff!! An Avon Sabre in VC-724 sqdn Macchi 326 colours, got some pics of my own of that, certainly upset the senior RAAFies at Avalon (? I think ?)  ;D but that'll learn 'em for allowing sailors to paint it for their aircraft finishing course!!!!  ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)

Love that scheme and can think of a number of aircraft that would look great in it, have even bought the insignia blue and some of the kits to do it at some point.  Gnat or Goshawk anyone?

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2013, 03:09:46 PM »
Oooo, Goshawk please  8)
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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2013, 04:21:15 PM »
Here you go:



Not quite RAN FAA but close since it is the OCDF FAA from my Greater Australia story.
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2013, 04:35:04 PM »
Was doing a Hawk 100 and was considering RAN FAA but Widgeways managed to lose the tail plane

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Re: Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2013, 01:01:36 PM »
Now that's an answer to a wish!!  :) Thanx GTX ! :)
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