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Title: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: JoseFern on July 25, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on July 25, 2012, 10:21:48 PM
Very clever!!!

Hats off to you!!

M.A.D
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 26, 2012, 02:28:09 AM
 :-*
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 26, 2012, 02:49:18 AM
Some advanced Export Victors John did for me a while back.  All crew would have ejection seats + there are uprated engines, external bomb pods and tail gun:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/Victor1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/Victor2.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/Victor3.jpg)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 26, 2012, 04:02:52 AM
One more from Sir John .... D-21 Mothership

(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/RCAF-Victor-KMK2-D21C-White.jpg)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on July 26, 2012, 07:18:34 AM
A couple of others:

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Germany/Victor10.jpg)

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USN/Victor6.jpg)

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tsrjoe on July 26, 2012, 05:29:42 PM
that Luftwaffe Victor looks soo right, love the low vis markings too  8)

cheers, Joe
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 27, 2012, 03:42:47 AM
Original line work for Victor B.21:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Artic/HPVictorB21.jpg)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChrisF on January 08, 2013, 07:11:06 AM
Ok i think im in the right place... Ive got a silly question... Would i be right in my calculations saying that a 1:144th Victor would be 243mm long ?

Im trying to decide weather i can fit the Anigrand kit in my cabinet before shelling out that kind of money...  :D
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on January 08, 2013, 07:15:11 AM
Wiki states its length at 115' so that would be 35052mm in 1/1 and 243.42 mm in 1/144 so yeah, you're right.  Will it fit?

So what do you have planned for the beast?
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChrisF on January 08, 2013, 08:45:06 AM
1:700 !?!?

Nothin tooo clever i just have a Op Granby Tornado in there already and a Jag in the pipework... The only british plane left from Desert Storm would be a Victor... I knew 1:72nd ( Like the other models) wouldnt fit and ya cant find the revell and matchbox kits easily anyway... But the 1:144th should fit by my calculations quite nicely  :D :D

Im planning a Op Granby shelf in there basically :)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on January 08, 2013, 08:52:20 AM
Whoops!!!!  I was scaling a bunch of ship drawings at the time, sorry  :-\

Neat, can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on April 28, 2013, 06:50:53 PM
A bit off topic but I have always thought a HP Victor would have made an interesting and in my opinion cool patrol bomber come MPA.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Dr. YoKai on May 02, 2013, 04:50:08 AM
 I have a just-started ( two or three years ago ) project using the old Lindberg Victor ( which I think
 is about 1/96th ) for another 'Shado 1960' build. It uses a pair of rockets in the wings, and is armed
 with a re-scaled 'mini-polaris'* firing through a roof hatch along the lines of some Soviet cruise missile
 subs like the Echo class, or the more recent Oscars. I'm thinking of adding a large rocket engine
 to the aft end, but I really like the taper of the tail cone.


 * A 1/144th  scale model from the recently re-issued US/USSR Missile set.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on May 02, 2013, 01:16:35 PM
When I look at the Victor from the side, it just screams out to be an amphibian.

It looks like it was started with the intent to have a planing hull, but then someone changed their mind and the specs along the way somewhere.

It's not that far off in looks from a Martin Sea Master if you think about it.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on May 02, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Very observant  :)
Anphibian-Seamaster elements are there !
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on May 16, 2013, 10:37:18 AM
The strange side of me has always seen the Victor as looking a bit like a ling cod with flying surfaces.  And yes, someday, I'd love to make a submarine using the Victor and that ugly deep sea fish as the basis and inspiration for a build.   :-\ :o ;D ;D


But if I had to build a Victor, it would be USAF SEA green/green/tan/black.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
this design lost out to Short's Belfast :(
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on December 29, 2014, 08:49:13 PM
Mmm, move the wings to the top of the fuselage, put the undercarriage in side bulges for the fuselage....    8)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on December 29, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: raafif on December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
this design lost out to Short's Belfast :(

There's only one thing wrong with that graphic, the HP111 didn't have flat sides to the fuselage, it was dead round and 15 feet in diameter.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kerick on December 30, 2014, 02:36:36 AM
Some one did a flying boat version of a Victor, Can't remember who.

Found it!
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35740.30.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35740.30.html)
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/sv21.jpg (http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/sv21.jpg)

Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on December 30, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on December 29, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: raafif on December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
this design lost out to Short's Belfast :(

There's only one thing wrong with that graphic, the HP111 didn't have flat sides to the fuselage, it was dead round and 15 feet in diameter.

So, which civil airliner do you suggest as a fuselage for it?   ;)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on December 30, 2014, 11:34:58 AM
Much as flyingboat Victor build is cool 8)   Top side intakes, excellent water diorama and all.
I wonder what it does if RW jet?
SAR mission with upper side opening doors?
Drop rafts and survival stuff out of sides?
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on December 30, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: Rickshaw on December 30, 2014, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on December 29, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: raafif on December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
this design lost out to Short's Belfast :(

There's only one thing wrong with that graphic, the HP111 didn't have flat sides to the fuselage, it was dead round and 15 feet in diameter.

So, which civil airliner do you suggest as a fuselage for it?   ;)

Not sure, the shape of the fuselage looks like the genesis for the Airbus A310/330 line, except it's 30" smaller in diameter (15'-0 as opposed to 17'-6"). Can't think of another --- 767 is closer in diameter (16'-0"), wrong nose and tail profile shapes though --
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 11, 2015, 12:35:24 PM
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7783/handleypagehp111c.png)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 11, 2015, 01:06:35 PM
That looks like an ekranoplan.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 11, 2015, 04:46:49 PM
And now found in plastic by Thorvic over at What-If:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Thorvic/HP111HarrogateCMK1001.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Thorvic/HP111HarrogateCMK1002.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Thorvic/HP111HarrogateCMK1003.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Thorvic/HP111HarrogateCMK1008.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Thorvic/HP111HarrogateCMK1009.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Thorvic/HP111HarrogateCMK1012.jpg)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on January 11, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
Looks so correct as it should be.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 11, 2015, 11:36:20 PM
Now what did he use for a fuselage ---  ???

EDIT (later): Couldn't find his thread on the What-If forum but found something on the Secret Projects one.

He used an E3 fuselage and then built it out with styrene strips  :-\ he had to add nearly 1/2" to the diameter ---  it must weigh a ton --
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 12, 2015, 08:34:50 AM
I found the photos in the 2008 Whiffies awards thread (by chance).  I could find a build thread.  I've no idea what he used but it seems to have worked.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 12, 2015, 09:16:39 PM
I PM'd him and he replied to where his build is on the What-If, he called it a Handley Page Harrowgate
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on January 13, 2015, 02:36:46 PM
Quote from: kitnut617 on January 12, 2015, 09:16:39 PM
I PM'd him and he replied to where his build is on the What-If, he called it a Handley Page Harrowgate


http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,17329.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,17329.0.html) ?  All the pictures are gone.  :(
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 16, 2015, 11:31:53 PM
Has anyone done any scale-o-rama-ing of the wings from either the 1/96 Lindberg or the 1/144 Great Wall kits to built a 1/72 fighter?  Thx.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on February 17, 2015, 02:09:09 AM
Quote from: The Big Gimper on February 16, 2015, 11:31:53 PM
Has anyone done any scale-o-rama-ing of the wings from either the 1/96 Lindberg or the 1/144 Great Wall kits to built a 1/72 fighter?  Thx.


Yeah, Handley-Page did.  ;D

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/xplane/hp88/hp88-5.jpg)
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/hp88.html (http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/hp88.html)

Well, yes the H.P. 88 wasn't a fighter, although it did use an Attacker fuselage and the wings/tail were 40% of full-size rather
than the 50% of a 1/144 to 1/72 scale-o-rama or the 75% of 1/96 to 1/72.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 17, 2015, 02:50:27 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on February 17, 2015, 02:59:18 AM
Related:  quick fit of 1/72 Mach2 Valiant wings top half to KC-97 fuselage.
see attached
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 01, 2017, 05:26:20 AM
Some interesting (I hope) bits and pieces related to the Victor:

Proposed crew escape capsule:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/f60300d4.jpg?t=1237059404)

Wing bomb containers (note there were proposals for containers under the engines and in the same place as the B.2's fuel pods):

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/f7b35483.jpg?t=1237062291)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/22e8d3d5.jpg?t=1237062404)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/a40376b5.jpg?t=1237062452)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/bc6a04a3.jpg?t=1237584100)

In the late 1950s, Handley-Page put forward a proposal to increase the installed thrust (and hence MTOW) in Victor B.Mk1/1A by adding two booster turbojets in over wing nacelles with intake-doors, to be used for take-off and initial climb. Bristol Orpheus, Rolls-Royce RB-162 and Armstrong-Siddeley Viper were considered:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/1b605e49.jpg?t=1237583848)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/b3e5f225.jpg?t=1237583896)

Finally, I did find the following intriguing comment in the Ministry of Supply's Specification (No. B. 128 P - reprint from 1 Sep 1954 incorporating amendment 1 - 6):

                "Tail Armament

                     4.07  Deleted by Amendment No.4."

I wonder - did the original specifications (at least up to Amendment No.4), include a tail gun?
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 01, 2017, 05:30:17 AM
And just a couple of inspirational images- note that you can get resin copies of the Spectre rockets shown:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/ee3bf7e8.jpg?t=1237584638)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/HandleyPageVictorwithSpectreRATOG.jpg)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 01, 2017, 05:32:05 AM
And some other ideas:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/Handley%20Page%20Victor%20Troop%20Carrier%2001.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/Handley%20Page%20Victor%20Troop%20Carrier%2002.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/Handley%20Page%20Victor%20Troop%20Carrier%2003.jpg)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on April 01, 2017, 06:37:43 AM
Regarding the Victor.  Saw a Japanese SciFi movie where USSR was flying Victors !
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 19, 2020, 01:12:44 AM
Saw on Facebook. Taken from a Secret Projects books but not sure which copy. Not in mine.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/80424853_744145412738638_607614967599857664_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=3xm7tofEBhUAX-gG5B3&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&_nc_tp=1002&oh=2b3487799783f9fc62f6266e4b9b78b6&oe=5EA5609F)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/80317705_743606126125900_7715944696140267520_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=FX-WazM4XIUAX_0inoB&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=9683e2d3a5caec2a4159cd420aa45da9&oe=5ED463A6)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 19, 2020, 01:28:00 AM
(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/76182767_718449835308196_5814574309267472384_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=AkXupjeF_p0AX_jZaeb&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=b17ba1ca4174f2130bb8749c1484fc7b&oe=5EA025D9)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on January 19, 2020, 01:51:32 AM
That has to be in the latest edition Carl, those particular drawings are not in the issue I have. But there is a small 3-view of it on page 48.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on August 23, 2020, 07:33:06 AM
Finsrin originally posted this idea in February 2015.  Now that I ready to donate my Matchbox K.2 version, I started with a 2D representation.

This design is predicated on the following alt-history events and aircraft design principles.

Alt-history
Design principles 
Wings may not be to scale but are very close.

With the above alt-history conditions HP saw an opportunity to build a long-range pressurized passenger aircraft for the commercial market and the RAF.

Using the proven pressurized fuselage design of the B-29/B377 family and the wings from Victor V-bomber, HP was able to quickly put together (some say slapped) a reliable and comfortable (maybe not) ride to most continents. The wing tip tank (not shown) and optional oversized fuel tanks gave the Hyperion C.1 a range of over 10,000 Miles. Speed was not a critical design requirement. After all the cargo, I mean passengers, had no say in the matter.

This design is similar to the HP.80, HP.96 and HP.97

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50256893287_f629fea7dc_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jz2Hs8)
HP-Hyperion-C.1-v1 (https://flic.kr/p/2jz2Hs8) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

C.1A with 13' extension
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50256136678_9b97b96961_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jyXQx9)
HP-Hyperion-C.1A-v1 (https://flic.kr/p/2jyXQx9) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on August 24, 2020, 11:32:08 AM
Profile is super.  Be worthy build and eyecatcher done in styrene.  All parts available in 1/72.
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on August 25, 2020, 03:47:35 AM
Very nice! And for the Hyperion C.1A, an additional design principle: LFER (Lengthy Fuselage Extensions Rock!)  :smiley:
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 14, 2021, 02:58:47 AM
Passenger versions of H.P. Victor, militar and civil.  :mellow:

Note that this would be an almost global range liner. :thumbsup:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Victor_liner.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/1bc745e2-0384-4ac2-bba5-e5303fa5a922)
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 14, 2021, 08:01:15 AM
Erm!!!!
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on January 28, 2022, 07:51:19 AM
wondered what a Victor Phase 4 would look like with different cockpit setups ...
Title: Re: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 29, 2022, 12:40:45 AM
 :smiley: