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Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« on: March 30, 2017, 01:49:08 AM »
Years before the Cold War, the USA proposed to USSR Red-Star Lightnings, impossible to refuse, and at the bargain price of 1,917 rubles per copy... 1,917,000 copies were ordered, but never paid so never delivered:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2017, 02:51:23 AM »
HA!!  :)
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2017, 04:20:30 AM »
 :) :) :)

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2017, 05:24:39 AM »
Errr...is it 1st of April yet? ::)
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 10:24:34 AM »
Errr...is it 1st of April yet? ::)
Do you mean "it is completely forbidden to post before this date", "this is evil, shame!", I just don't understand, as this is completely contradictory to rule #1: "have fun".
Other contradiction: if you don't want members to post, don't flash the group build banner, don't start writing rules topic and all, just wait the starting day to do that.
Are you ill of over-commanding spirit?

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2017, 04:41:52 PM »
Rule 3 also must be taken into account comrade.  That said, any final determinations will be up to Comrade LemonJello, the current Secretary of the Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production.  I have heard rumours that he is a forgiving individual.  The Under Secretary of for Security of Carburettor Seals and modelling knives wouldn't be so forgiving though.  I hear he likes to make examples of those showing counter revolutionary tendencies ...
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2017, 09:49:28 PM »
The Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production has met and come to the following conclusion:

Comrade Tophe's eagerness to show the motherland's foes our military prowess is admirable but must be tempered so as to keep Шпионы и диверсанты (spies and saboteurs) in the dark.  In this case, we of the Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production see this as merely a "peek behind the curtain" sure to rouse the proletariat to even greater goals!

However, we must warn the collective that our glorious leader, GTX_Admin has his gimlet eye upon us all!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2017, 01:25:55 AM »
If you don’t want people to come (in advance) don’t call them (in advance). If ever you have made the mistake to call them too early, don’t blame them to have come, as this is your own fault. Blaming innocent victims (of your own mistake) is not fun at all.

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2017, 01:39:19 AM »
No one is trying to trick or hurt anyone here.  Banners and rules have always gone up in advance in order to build excitement and because moderators are not always available to post these things just at the stroke of midnight on the designated day.  The intention was not to fool anyone.  On the other hand, without start and end dates, the GB is meaningless.  But Lemonjello has already said that the entries entered early will be allowed. So PLEASE stop feeling hurt and just enjoy the rest of the group build which actually starts in a few hours. 

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2017, 02:06:05 AM »
Tophe, let's clear the air here between us, as I seem to have upset you:

1) The start date is clearly listed as 1 April, 2017 in my first Rules and Regulations post - I don't see how/where I called anybody early to anything.

2) In the grand scheme of the multiverse, it doesn't matter. Your entry, and others that were "early," are more than welcome, and I encourage you to keep contributing - you have a unique perspective on these subjects that I enjoy seeing.

3)Perhaps there is a language disconnect between us, as I can't keep track of every member's home nation and primary language, so I hope I haven't offended you with my admittedly poor attempts at Cold War-era propaganda phrases and stereotypes. It's all meant in fun.


Added: Comrade Tophe! Welcome! The Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production can only imagine the awe your designs will create amongst both the greater collective here and our adversaries in the west! Onward!
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2017, 11:03:48 AM »
Banners and rules have always gone up in advance in order to build excitement
That's the problem. It is like the young girl in miniskirt and deep neckline, loving to tease and excite and seduce, just to slam the door in the face of lovers, I judge she is very bad, not nice at all.
My goal was not to be perfect to win, I was just trying to smile and this is a complete failure.

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2017, 11:06:56 PM »
That's the problem. It is like the young girl in miniskirt and deep neckline, loving to tease and excite and seduce, just to slam the door in the face of lovers, I judge she is very bad, not nice at all.
My goal was not to be perfect to win, I was just trying to smile and this is a complete failure.

Tophe, no worries on this end, internet posts are an imperfect method of conveying tone and inflection of words.  If you had used the young woman/miniskirt/neckline comparison first, I think I would have understood your meaning more easily.

Again, I welcome your participation in this Group Build!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 11:19:33 AM »
Thanks.
Now on this side of the planet it is April 01st 2017, 05:19am
Here is the Mustang counterpart:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2017, 11:20:33 AM »
And Twin-Mustang:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2017, 02:53:19 PM »
As the RedStar RS-82 Dveen-Mooztank was refused by the Kremlin, a less-crazy RS-82A derivative was proposed, but in vain... :(

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2017, 08:31:09 PM »
The Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production affixes the official Seal of Approval to these progressive designs!



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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2017, 09:46:32 PM »
 :)
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2017, 10:41:37 PM »
Thanks.
The RS-38 gave also birth to a RS-38A more serious proposal, that failed to reach success:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2017, 11:00:48 PM »
The RS-38B would have been coded "P-38" (Proletarii 38th):

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2017, 11:29:12 PM »
The VVS (Soviet Air Force) was interested by the first RS-38 but explained the need had changed to a very long range escort fighter, thus the proposal RS-38Z:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2017, 11:37:15 PM »
As 4 engines were drinking too much gasoline, a RS-38BZ version was proposed:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2017, 11:50:13 PM »
2 engines were still too much so a single-engined RS-38Z1 was designed and built, but it was fragile and the prototype broke during its first taxiing before take-off:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2017, 07:29:09 PM »
Engineer comrade Tofi argued that guns are capitalistic weapons and proletarian pilots should use ramming fighters with the Tools of workers & farmers, this gave the Serp i Molot SM-38P1, P-2 and P-3 The last one had a worker pilot and a farmer pilot, reaching at the top the communist glory... (no, not propaganda, who said that ? before going to prison or graveyard...).

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2017, 07:44:26 PM »
And Twin-Mustang:

Not too far of the truth Tophe

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2017, 01:16:43 AM »
Thanks. Maybe that was the source somewhere in my brain, even unconscious... ;)

But let us talk about History again, the true one.
Comrade engineer Kreizii said that the "engine" is a capitalist invention (burning alive the working molecules !) and must be discarded from genuine Soviet airplanes. He said a strong and pure political faith is enough for power.
The prototype though failed to run and to take off, so the pilot was killed (probably a capitalist spy), and the second pilot as well, then... the engineer himself was killed, ahem...
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2017, 03:49:46 PM »
Engineer comrade Tofi argued that guns are capitalistic weapons and proletarian pilots should use ramming fighters with the Tools of workers & farmers, this gave the Serp i Molot SM-38P1, P-2 and P-3 The last one had a worker pilot and a farmer pilot, reaching at the top the communist glory... (no, not propaganda, who said that ? before going to prison or graveyard...).



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doable in plastic + mixed material   :D

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2017, 08:45:22 PM »
Thanks!

And the Soviet political bureau had an objection about the RS-82: "why double fuselage and no double red star ?!". This was cured of course:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2017, 04:23:22 PM »
The tandem version was materially fragile but politically right and political experts explained communist materialism will make it very solid, unbreakable!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2017, 06:40:01 PM »
There was a political dispute also about the Parasol-wing RS-38: is the "parasol" a capitalist tourism tool? Many ones among apparatchiks denied this, so it was actually built (and crashed):

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2017, 09:40:14 PM »
This is the rain of stars  ;D
Well done Cristophe!
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2017, 08:00:02 PM »
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2017, 06:13:59 AM »
Great stuff, mon ami!

The red stars are truly delightful and I can only dream of having the capability to imagine what you've done!

Love the hammer & sickle ones too!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2017, 12:13:50 PM »
Thanks!

There was a political dispute also about the Parasol-wing RS-38: is the "parasol" a capitalist tourism tool?
The parasol Red-Star-38 had a problem: during the victory air-parade (soon for sure!), the red star would be half hidden by the aircraft, what a shame! So a parade version, special for being admired from the ground, has been developed. However, landing was a problem...

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2017, 02:14:42 AM »
Simple Lightnings with double red stars:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2017, 04:59:11 AM »
Comrade Tophe will ensure the skies above our glorious motherland are filled with the Red Star of Soviet Revolutionary fervor!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2017, 08:38:16 AM »
I especially like the one in the middle, mon ami and they're all very colorful!

I bet your son finds them delightful too.

Your imagination is boundless, Tophe!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2017, 01:19:16 AM »
Thanks!

And the best red-star Lightning may be the one designed for agricultural workers (with full military support): the farm workers together with chemical workers and aircraft factories workers all together will remove danger for the benefit of the population. Simply glorious!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2017, 01:59:34 AM »
The record crop yields will yet again prove the superiority of the Soviet system over the Running Dog West!

The workers' paradise beckons! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Great stuff, Tophe! Making it an agricultural aircraft was truly inspired!

You should be awarded the Red Banner of Bukharin for your efforts!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2017, 02:06:16 AM »
 :) Yes, this chemical agricultural communist Heaven is delightful, but the generals clapping hands and requiring for soldiers now breathing masks are a little mysterious. ??? ;)

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2017, 04:48:30 PM »
The Party denied that a single-seater is a good Soviet fighter: it is an individualist capitalist shame!
At least 12 Party members should decide in a meeting to turn right or left, fire or not, this is communism, victorious against selfishness and egotism!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2017, 05:01:17 PM »
While the Stalinian communists were happy with the Leader in front (on the Lightning above), the Leader having the final decision, the Trotskist communists denied that and required talking tables, even if that takes room (and the seats should rotate for front position of every one, changing every minute). This was efficiency and goodness all at once! (see below):

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2017, 07:20:16 AM »
This one might be my favorite yet, comrade!

Glorious modern air transport for the great masses of the Workers' Paradise!

A 1,000 orders of Lenin to you!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2017, 09:38:07 PM »
Thanks!
Among sesquiplanes (with one and a half wings), the genealogy of the RS-38 is more easy to see:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2017, 05:42:01 PM »
Engineer John William Dunne has been enlightened by communist glory evidence, and that let to the DU-51s tailless biplanes:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2017, 06:06:56 PM »
I really like the tailless versions, Comrade!

Nothing could further prove the brilliance of Socialist engineering like these fine concepts!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2017, 11:49:39 PM »
I really like the tailless versions, Comrade!
Thanks!
These twin-fin versions were even more tailless:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2017, 01:37:05 AM »
Soviet bat  ;D,
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2017, 04:49:46 PM »
Thanks!
There were similar RS-38s:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2017, 01:38:26 PM »
For unknown reasons the RS-38 and RS-51/82 all failed in operational service (decided despite testing failure), ahem... So a brainstorming occurred with engineers and political experts/controllers. It was decided that the red star was marvelous but not as lifting area, the use should be different. So, not horizontally but vertically was the red star in the new RS-51:

The goal was mainly parade on the ground, to get the people's enthusiasm (and confidence in victory and in the Leader's genius):

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2017, 06:18:04 AM »
That's a parade to make a citizen of the Great Workers' Paradise fill with pride in overwhelming superiority of socialism!

We are all better communists for having seen this, comrade!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2017, 05:29:19 PM »
Thanks Comrade/Tavaritsh!

There was another red-star Mustang with vertical star, but not for the public laterally: especially for the Leader on the place facing the parade:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2017, 06:49:52 AM »
No greater demonstration of superiority of Great Big Red Star has ever been more proudly created, comrade!

The members of the Presidium will reward you accordingly after the bar closes.

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2017, 03:16:20 PM »
Engineer comrade Tofi argued that guns are capitalistic weapons and proletarian pilots should use ramming fighters
Maybe the red star was not the very best lifting area ever but is is/will be forever the best weapon for sure:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2017, 08:05:30 PM »
Comrade Tophe will soon be promoted to Commissar of the annual May Day Celebration, as his designs evoke most glorious feelings of pride in the creativity of our design bureaus!


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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2017, 01:36:54 AM »
Thanks!
And you probably know that the turbojet revolution in aviation was Soviet (before being badly copied by capitalist bandits), and the Red-Star-38s featured jets of course, in many versions:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2017, 09:51:12 AM »
Jet stars... :)
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2017, 01:41:20 PM »
Thanks.

There were also jet RS-51s:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2017, 12:43:25 PM »
Without jets, there were also several very special red-star Mustangs: tandem twin-boomers (or triplex-boom, depending on the definition)

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2017, 02:40:02 PM »
You probably know that capitalist scientists (= stupid scientists) thought they had invented the swept wing, just ignoring our red-star aircraft, but, then, they thought they invented the forward swept wing, wrong!: we had invented before the reverse red star:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2017, 02:55:10 AM »
Your Red Stars are not only a delight and an example of incredible ingenuity of Socialist thinking but they delight me to no end, comrade Tophe!

May your efforts on behalf of the people be crowned with glorious awards of great magnitude, Tovarich!

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