Author Topic: Airliners: Alternate roles (Read 17595 times)

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #25 on:** May 20, 2012, 09:02:08 PM »

Quote from: elmayerle on May 20, 2012, 10:25:42 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on May 20, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
Not so much a different role but rather a variation from the normal: what about a turboprop B737 or B747?

Or with propfans?

Well, now your heading into 7J7 territory:

Daryl J. · « **Reply #26 on:** May 26, 2012, 12:25:12 PM »

Tu-134. French executive transport.

USAF service with engines off an A-10 Warthog.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #27 on:** July 15, 2012, 02:01:44 AM »

Tu-134 ''Wedgetail"

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #28 on:** July 15, 2012, 04:37:24 AM »

Quote from: Daryl J. on July 15, 2012, 02:01:44 AM

Tu-134 ''Wedgetail"

I see your Tu-134 ''Wedgetail" and raise you with an A340 Wedgetail..kits all purchased, just lacking the appropriate decals.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #29 on:** July 15, 2012, 07:56:46 AM »

That'd be cool.

I just like the rough-field capabilities of Tupolev aircraft vs. the more fragile other brands. Perhaps that's why I bought a Land Rover instead of a different SUV.......

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2012, 05:08:20 AM »

Boeing E-10:

elmayerle · « **Reply #31 on:** August 08, 2012, 09:22:36 AM »

::snicker:: E-10 re-born as an EC-46 or EKC-46?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #32 on:** August 03, 2014, 06:03:27 AM »

Not so much different role but rather a different idea: what if the RR Pegasus were used for some airliners? For example, what if the HP Herald (see below) were given a pair instead of the RR Darts as part of a bid to keep it in service longer?

Or perhaps the HS/British Aerospace 146 could have had a pair instead of its 4 engines:

elmayerle · « **Reply #33 on:** August 03, 2014, 07:14:29 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on August 03, 2014, 06:03:27 AM

Not so much different role but rather a different idea: what if the RR Pegasus were used for some airliners? For example, what if the HP Herald (see below) were given a pair instead of the RR Darts as part of a bid to keep it in service longer?

Or perhaps the HS/British Aerospace 146 could have had a pair instead of its 4 engines:

Hmm, in four-poster form or as a "straight-thru" turbofan? The first would make for some interesting STOL capability while the second could make for attractive fuel burn in the same operations the aircraft are currently used in.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2014, 02:40:45 AM »

I was primarily thinking as a four-poster form though the second option would be interesting too.

Rickshaw · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2014, 08:14:30 PM »

Would a straight through Pegasus still be a Pegasus? You'd have to undertake a massive redesign to make it a straight through engine, that it would essentially become a new engine. All those auxiliary gearboxes, the four exhausts, etc, would all need to go.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2014, 08:45:07 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2014, 02:40:45 AM

I was primarily thinking as a four-poster form though the second option would be interesting too.

You mean like this --- (see below)

I think I'll do some castings before I finish it, 'cause I like your idea ---

An airliner would have to have some pretty good sound insulation though -----------

elmayerle · « **Reply #37 on:** August 05, 2014, 01:02:08 AM »

Quote from: Rickshaw on August 04, 2014, 08:14:30 PM

Would a straight through Pegasus still be a Pegasus? You'd have to undertake a massive redesign to make it a straight through engine, that it would essentially become a new engine. All those auxiliary gearboxes, the four exhausts, etc, would all need to go.

Well, that's a good question. Bristol did look at a hydrogen-burning straight-thru variant as an air-breathing engine for ferrying the space shuttle. There's an excellent drawing in Pegasus: The Heart of the Harrier. It wouldn't be that difficult to adapt to Jet-A.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #38 on:** August 05, 2014, 03:00:35 AM »

The core engine would still be there though and thus able to provide the basis. Another option might be a 3 poster variety with twin front nozzles and a single nozzle at the rear.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #39 on:** January 11, 2015, 04:43:22 AM »

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Volkodav · « **Reply #40 on:** January 11, 2015, 05:00:28 AM »

There was a tactical transport intended to support the harriers in the RAF that had a pair of four poster Pegasus plus lift jets in wing tip pods.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #41 on:** January 11, 2015, 05:11:25 AM »

Quote from: Volkodav on January 11, 2015, 05:00:28 AM

There was a tactical transport intended to support the harriers in the RAF that had a pair of four poster Pegasus plus lift jets in wing tip pods.

There were quite a few like that, ranging from the Do-31 to the HS(AW).681:

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #42 on:** August 10, 2023, 12:58:45 AM »

YS-11ES UWSISC (You-whisks)

From K-Tel there was first AWACS ...

.... now there is UWSICS (U-Whisks)

You too can now "whisks" away those nasty ships and submarines!

Underwater Warning Submarine/Surface Identification and Control System

Direct from the overly caffeinated mind of Carl.

I found the AWACS dome in the pile of disorganized stuff (and a big pile that it is). Missing the struts so what to do with it?

AWACS dome in hand. Missing the struts so what to do with it? Think! Check!
Looking at the Bandai YS-11. Still no idea what to do with it. Check!
How about upside down is good. Check!
Need an A/C with good ground clearance. Maybe. See #2 above. Check!
YS-11? Ground clearance? Could be! Check!
Get the JLC saw. Shorten the pylon. Check!
Masking tape. Check!
Assemble. Check!

And so here we have the YS-11ES. I will add a bigger nose and satellite antenna dome on top.
New props etc. Look up YS-11EA .
Have not determined yet which air forces used them.

IMG-2930 by Big Gimper, on Flickr

IMG-2931 by Big Gimper, on Flickr

IMG-2932 by Big Gimper, on Flickr

IMG-2933 by Big Gimper, on Flickr

Buzzbomb · « **Reply #43 on:** August 10, 2023, 07:20:11 AM »

... and that is how it happens.

Look a a pile of bits and then it all starts to gel together to get some inspiration to move forward to:-
a. Decrease the pile
b. Get a model happening

Won a 1/72 A Model Ilyushin Il-18 Airliner in a raffle once many years back, way out of my interest zone, so it sat, lost, ignored and abandoned.
Then I stumbled across an image of the Il-20 Coot Elint aircraft, which used the Il-18 as a base.. so away we went. I now have a Coot in my aircraft collection.

upnorth · « **Reply #44 on:** August 10, 2023, 07:10:56 PM »

I often wonder how a 757 would have fared in military roles.

Given how many were converted to freighters, it's certainly a robust frame.

Could it have done AWACS or MPA work? Maybe could take a tanker conversion?

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #45 on:** August 10, 2023, 08:21:30 PM »

Probably much better than in the "cattle car", I mean passenger configuration. I hate the 757!

upnorth · « **Reply #46 on:** August 10, 2023, 08:32:30 PM »

Quote from: The Big Gimper on August 10, 2023, 08:21:30 PM

Probably much better than in the "cattle car", I mean passenger configuration. I hate the 757!

That sounds about right for what I've heard of the 757. By most accounts it's in the "Pilot's dream, but passengers' nightmare" category.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #47 on:** August 11, 2023, 01:33:18 AM »

Quote from: upnorth on August 10, 2023, 07:10:56 PM

I often wonder how a 757 would have fared in military roles.

Given how many were converted to freighters, it's certainly a robust frame.

Could it have done AWACS or MPA work? Maybe could take a tanker conversion?

Well the RNZAF has flown 757s for many years: