Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Land => Topic started by: Rickshaw on June 27, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
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Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot wern't?
As was the L2A1 AR (Automatic Rifle) which also had the auto safety and heavy barrel. Always thought an AR with a conventional fore stock would have been a good thing. It was a mean looking weapon but my experience of a triple feed and jam on the range did temper my view of them. I often carried one as No.2 on the gun in my Uni Regiment days, the idea being that in the event of a major stoppage on the M-60 the No.1 and Section 2IC would fix the gun and I would provide suppressive fire with the AR.
Is this getting to the point that its worth splitting off into a separate topic on FN FALs and derivatives?
Yes.
The L2a1 was a copy of the Canadian C2a1, without the C2's dust cover which allowed loading of the magazine with stripper clips, without having to remove it first.
L2a1:
(http://www.gunpics.net/austnz/slrl2/slrl213.JPG)
C2a1:
(http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/tactical/Newweapons.jpg)
L2s were pretty much exclusively an ARes weapon, although they were originally intended for use by Armoured troopers but the Regulars after they realised how bad the weapon was, pretty well abandoned it. Its major problem was that it was prone to stoppages and misfeeds from fouling of the gas system unless it was kept scrupulously clean. I used to fire the L2a1 on various ARes exercises. I much preferred the L4a4 Bren personally as an LMG. Much more reliable. Both suffered from the lack of a proper foregrip though and I've burnt my hand on both of them at various times. It was always bloody inconvenient having a bare barrel just where you were likely to grab the weapon when getting up off the ground.
For diggers who liked to look "warry" the 30 round magazine was a favourite as it would fit the standard L1a1, although it made it rather front heavy. Both pictures show the earlier straight 30 round magazine. It was later replaced with a slightly curved one because they found it fed better. The 30 round magazine was also used on the L4a4 Bren.
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What if a 12.70 mm version of MG-42
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawTanks/MG42_12_70.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawTanks/MG42_12_70.jpg.html)
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Or perhaps an infantry version of the MG 131?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_131_machine_gun
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Or perhaps an infantry version of the MG 131?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_131_machine_gun[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_131_machine_gun[/url])
Something like these perhaps?
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=8088&sid=466f801a13abbcc261086e801e568054)
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Nope, a proper redesign for the infantry role, rather than the extemporized
emergency measure version.
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or perhaps a further development of the abandoned TuF MG?
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/TuF.jpg)
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Did you know this?
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bilderseitenneu/Mauser06.htm (http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bilderseitenneu/Mauser06.htm)
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http://www.amazon.es/pistola-maestro-importaci-paquete-escritos/dp/B003DPMCUA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1455964908&sr=8-3&keywords=aoshima+bb (http://www.amazon.es/pistola-maestro-importaci-paquete-escritos/dp/B003DPMCUA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1455964908&sr=8-3&keywords=aoshima+bb)
Is this a model of a real weapon? I mean metal bullets, no BB.
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The Colt Model 1911 Mk IV Series 80 is real and compensators of various types are available.
(http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/02/265569_01_wilson_le_colt_mk_4_series_80__640.jpg)
(http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2015/10/22/4798384_01_colt_45_mk_iv_series_80_stainl_640.jpg)
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Did you know this?
[url]http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bilderseitenneu/Mauser06.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bilderseitenneu/Mauser06.htm[/url])
The Gerat 06/StG45(M) prototype led to the Spanish CETME Modelo C service rifle which led to West Germany's Heckler & Koch G3.
Some MP44 whifs here: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg103563#msg103563 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg103563#msg103563)
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The Colt Model 1911 Mk IV Series 80 is real and compensators of various types are available.
([url]http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/02/265569_01_wilson_le_colt_mk_4_series_80__640.jpg[/url])
([url]http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2015/10/22/4798384_01_colt_45_mk_iv_series_80_stainl_640.jpg[/url])
I am sure you know much more than me on this issue. But for me, they do not look equal: trigger guard, catch on front of slide, ... Is it just a variant?
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Used to own on of these (thinking of buying another at some point) which could be upgraded through buying kits quite easily to a full blown race gun for IPSC competition shooting.
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I am sure you know much more than me on this issue. But for me, they do not look equal: trigger guard, catch on front of slide, ... Is it just a variant?
That's because it looks like Aoshima is flogging a poor copy of a Marui BB gun, that does look like the Colt. 8)
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-centimeter-master-sv-ebb-pistol.html#.VslfZfh7BSU (http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-centimeter-master-sv-ebb-pistol.html#.VslfZfh7BSU)
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Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm: Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle
(http://i.imgur.com/MswdW5J.jpg)
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Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm: Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle
([url]http://i.imgur.com/MswdW5J.jpg[/url])
FAIL! :)
That rifle in the image you posted is not an L-39 Lahti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-39) (click on html to view image and description of this weapon at Wikipedia).
The rifle in that image is actually an Solothurn S-18/100 20mm Anti-Tank Rifle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solothurn_S-18/100) chambered to fire the 20X105B cartridge.
The Finnish designed L-39 Lahti was chambered to fire the larger 20X138B cartridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20 x 138mmB) that was also used in the Solothurn S-18/1000 (semi-auto fire only) and S-18/1100 (semi-automatic fire and full auto fire capable) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solothurn_S-18/1000), Italian Breda and Scotti 20mm anti-aircraft guns as well as the German FlaK 30, FlaK 38, and C-30 20mm anti-aircraft guns.
By the way, CMK offers that Solothrun S-18/100 in 1:35th scale as a resin accessory/detail item (http://www.cmkkits.com/en/detail-sets-accessories/swiss-wwii-anti-tank-rifle-solothurn-s-18-100/) if you are interested.
I picked up a couple as it is unique and unusual. Just wish there was an injection molded plastic Solothurn S-18/1000 available in 1:35th scale. Criel Models (Italy) used to offer one in resin but they are now OOB and it was a bit anemic looking (have two in the stash waiting to be exploited).
***edit to fix the html and obvious sentence structure errors :(
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Fair enough. Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
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Fair enough. Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
A two man carry at minimum, four if you really want to move quickly ;)
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Fair enough. Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
A two man carry at minimum, four if you really want to move quickly ;)
Bugger that! Mount it on a sidecar! :)
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Fair enough. Either way, its still a big "small" arm. ;)
A two man carry at minimum, four if you really want to move quickly ;)
Bugger that! Mount it on a sidecar! :)
The larger Solothurn S-18/1000 did come with a two wheel mount/carriage that could be towed or hauled by several soldiers. The trails rotated to lock the barrel in place and a "T-Bar" was attached to the gun barrel and used to pull the weapon.
This thumbnail image from Wikipedia shows some of the details:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Solo_41.jpg/220px-Solo_41.jpg)
See the larger image at the source page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solothurn_S-18/1000)
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I am sure you know much more than me on this issue. But for me, they do not look equal: trigger guard, catch on front of slide, ... Is it just a variant?
That's because it looks like Aoshima is flogging a poor copy of a Marui BB gun, that does look like the Colt. 8)
[url]http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-centimeter-master-sv-ebb-pistol.html#.VslfZfh7BSU[/url] ([url]http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-centimeter-master-sv-ebb-pistol.html#.VslfZfh7BSU[/url])
The venerable 1911 has been made - and is still being made in a huge range of variants. Details differ but the way they work on the inside is the same.
This one has a heavy barrel and no barrel bushing:
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How about the whole Caseless Ammunition rabbithole, with the potential for heavier belt-fed support weapons?
(http://i.imgur.com/mg3dT2r.jpg)
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?16042-THE-GUN-THAT-NEVER-WAS-Heckler-amp-Koch-G11 (http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?16042-THE-GUN-THAT-NEVER-WAS-Heckler-amp-Koch-G11)
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This is a great Youtube channel and website for obscure and interesting guns:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons (https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons)
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/ (http://www.forgottenweapons.com/)
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Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm: Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle
([url]http://i.imgur.com/MswdW5J.jpg[/url])
Ah, for someone who spent a good part of his military time carrying a M60 and MAG-58 GPMG, you know where you can keep that Lahti L-39 GTX ;)
M.A.D
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M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood. Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.
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M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood. Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.
LMAO!!!! ;D
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M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood. Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.
Ha ha, so true.
At least the additional blood would have lubricated the bloody thing.
It's ironic, but for years I attempted too come up with a make-shift foregrip for the 60, but the 'system' use to flip out about "unauthorised modifications.....".
It was only years latter when training with the Yanks, that I had the opportunity in the form.of the M60E, to appreciate the comfort and usability of a foregripped 60 (add to this the relief and foresight of moving those stupid blood legs from the barrel to the body!!!)
Saying this, I would given the spleen of my enemy to have had the same foregrip on the ungainly to carry MAG-58!! :P
M.A.D
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M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood. Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.
Ha ha, so true.
At least the additional blood would have lubricated the bloody thing.
It's ironic, but for years I attempted too come up with a make-shift foregrip for the 60, but the 'system' use to flip out about "unauthorised modifications.....".
It was only years latter when training with the Yanks, that I had the opportunity in the form.of the M60E, to appreciate the comfort and usability of a foregripped 60 (add to this the relief and foresight of moving those stupid blood legs from the barrel to the body!!!)
Saying this, I would given the spleen of my enemy to have had the same foregrip on the ungainly to carry MAG-58!! :P
M.A.D
I believe 6 RAR used the perforated sheet from the M-60 bi pod on the MAG-58 to make it easier to carry, they also apparently were able to obtain BRENs when they changed from Scout/Command, Gun and Rifle group in each section to two fire teams before they were issued with Minimis (F89 in Australian service)
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While you two reminisce about good times how about some fictional weapons:
M41A Pulse Rifle (from "Aliens")
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/9f/M41a01.jpg)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/a/a1/M41a02.jpg)
M56 Smart Gun (also from "Aliens"):
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/c/c9/M56SmartGun.jpg)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/24/ALSF-M56-2.jpg)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/c/ce/Aliens_2007.jpg)
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M-60.......Shudder......almost impossible to strip without drawing blood. Best bit was the second there was blood there was a medic with a tetanus shot, if you couldn't tell the date of your last booster they jabbed you, I ended up with so many antibodies that when I donated blood they used it to make more tetanus vaccine.
Ha ha, so true.
At least the additional blood would have lubricated the bloody thing.
It's ironic, but for years I attempted too come up with a make-shift foregrip for the 60, but the 'system' use to flip out about "unauthorised modifications.....".
It was only years latter when training with the Yanks, that I had the opportunity in the form.of the M60E, to appreciate the comfort and usability of a foregripped 60 (add to this the relief and foresight of moving those stupid blood legs from the barrel to the body!!!)
Saying this, I would given the spleen of my enemy to have had the same foregrip on the ungainly to carry MAG-58!! :P
M.A.D
I believe 6 RAR used the perforated sheet from the M-60 bi pod on the MAG-58 to make it easier to carry, they also apparently were able to obtain BRENs when they changed from Scout/Command, Gun and Rifle group in each section to two fire teams before they were issued with Minimis (F89 in Australian service)
British Army sections often used to carry a Bren in the days when the official equipment scale was one GPMG (MAG-58) per section. Got a pic somewhere of the two gunners and it doesn't half make the size difference clear.
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While you two reminisce about good times how about some fictional weapons:
M41A Pulse Rifle (from "Aliens"):
([url]http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/9f/M41a01.jpg[/url])
M56 Smart Gun (also from "Aliens"):
([url]http://www.imfdb.org/images/c/c9/M56SmartGun.jpg[/url])
If I remember correctly, the Pulse Rifle was a Thompson M1A1 SMG fitted with the guts of a Franchi SPAS-12 auto-shotgun to provide the 'grenade launcher'. People in the replica props world make kits of the moulded bodywork so that you build your own (obviously easier in the US where you've a reasonable chance of getting hold of the donor guns). You can also get Airsoft and Paintball versions of it.
The Smart Gun was a hacked-around MG-42 machine-gun fitted with motorbike handgrips and controls and attached to a modified Steady-Cam harness. Can't recall what the triangular frames were but they were 'salvagel too IIRC I don't think there's much available as off-the-shelf conversions for this one because there really wern't many custom parts on it anyway, so it's pretty easy to throw together if you can get the bits. Again, there are Airsoft and Paintball versions too.
EDIT: just realised what the triangular frames were: they're motorcycle pillion footpeg brackets, presumably off the the same scrap bikes they took the hand controls from.
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Yep, definitely looks like a Thompson / SPAS and an MG42, I was actually going to post something about it when I saw you beat me to it.
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I could never figure out why anybody would want to have a weapon, like the MG3 clone, which could only be operated when the firer was upright. It just makes the firer a bigger target.
I wonder how much the Pulse Rifle contributed to the XM25 development concept?
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Not sure if this qualifies as a "small" arm: Lahti L-39 20 mm anti-tank rifle
([url]http://i.imgur.com/MswdW5J.jpg[/url])
Well look what popped up on Forgotten Weapons today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9qHv_XEAZg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9qHv_XEAZg)
Not just a tech/history talk but some actual shooting too. Think the biggest danger from this gun is that if Ian's grin gets any wider the top of his head will fall off... ;D
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I think somebody already pointed out that the gun in the photo is not the Lahti "Norsupyssy" (Elephant Gun).
Weight 49.5 kg (109 lb)
Cartridge 20×138mmB
Action Gas-operated
Muzzle velocity 800 m/s (2,600 ft/s)
Feed system 10 rounds box magazine
Here's some re-enactors playing with a dual anti-aircraft version - at a laid back airshow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YzSleYxos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YzSleYxos)
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Pay attention to MP-44 and MG-42 sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-oB-iTRb6k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-oB-iTRb6k)
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With Panzerfaust
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/FigureWeapons/Kar98_MP44_PzF.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/FigureWeapons/Kar98_MP44_PzF.jpg.html)
Again Kar98, MP40, MP44
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/ModellingProjects/FigureWeapons/Kar98_MP44_01.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/ModellingProjects/FigureWeapons/Kar98_MP44_01.jpg.html)
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The larger Solothurn S-18/1000 did come with a two wheel mount/carriage that could be towed or hauled by several soldiers. The trails rotated to lock the barrel in place and a "T-Bar" was attached to the gun barrel and used to pull the weapon.
This thumbnail image from Wikipedia shows some of the details:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Solo_41.jpg/220px-Solo_41.jpg)
See the larger image at the source page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solothurn_S-18/1000)
Imagine waiting with that weapon to break a Matilda's track at kissing distances (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5455/tobruk-tank-battles-north-africa-1942).
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/bf44a136cd2738da764a9cb7ae34be7d/tumblr_pck1nrotTn1w636mro1_1280.jpg)
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or perhaps a further development of the abandoned TuF MG?
([url]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/TuF.jpg[/url])
An air-cooled version of this would be ideal for the main battery onboard a Pulp Dieselpunk Zeppelin.
(https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/ratmmjess/554119/29589/29589_320.jpg)
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Again Kar98, MP40, MP44
Extend barrel, add bipod and w/o the fully-loaded spring-powdered 100 round 7,92x33 dopple trommel, come in at around 17 lbs.
(https://i.imgur.com/BGyaWpA.jpg)
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^^^^
You got a nice design!
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@Story - The S-18/1000 is my all time favourite 20mm AT Rifle. Huge and heavy but oh so pretty. :)
I have had three models of the S-18/1000. The first was cast pewter/lead/white metal and may have been 1:32nd scale. I have no idea who made this metal model but at the time it was probably the only one available until resin became a more widely used modeling material. I sent the metal model to LemonJello several years ago to give him a shot at figuring out what to do with the thing after some correspondence on the subject.
The next model of the S-18/1000 was in resin from a now out of business Italian company called Criel. It was a step up from the metal model in that it included a carriate and the two ammunition chests plus the ground mounting feet for the weapon. Very flimsy and fragile and the barrel never looked quite right. I ended up with two, one I know is original and the other I suspect is a copy made from an original. Both were purchased from the same person but several years apart. One of these will be going to a new forever home with LemonJello as soon as I finish sorting some other things out for his "care package."
The third model of the S-18/1000 was recently offered by CMK and it is far superior to the metal model from the unknown company and resin model from Criel. Both of these models look rather primitive in comparison to what CMK has created. Here is a link to the model at the CMK e-Store: https://www.cmkkits.com/en/detail-sets-accessories/129-3140/. (https://www.cmkkits.com/en/detail-sets-accessories/129-3140/.) It may be OOP at the moment but if you like the Solothurn S-18/1000 this is by far the best model yet of this subject.
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@Story - The S-18/1000 is my all time favourite 20mm AT Rifle. Huge and heavy but oh so pretty. :)
I have had three models of the S-18/1000. The first was cast pewter/lead/white metal and may have been 1:32nd scale.
I think I had the same kit, shoe-horned it into a resin CV-33/35. No pics, gave that one away.
Meanwhile, Hungarian.
(https://i.redd.it/e4m6uoj9v4g11.jpg)
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^^^ Who needs brakes! ;) ^^^
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The crew looks like they stepped off the set of the Grand Budapest Hotel (an excellent film).
Behold, Republic of Zubrowka Federal troops circa 1932.
(https://i.imgur.com/C9c2mRT.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/QTILkuP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/37zQYz2.jpg)
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^^^ Who needs brakes! ;) ^^^
To keep from going backward when fired from a stopped position?
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Um...... cool grenadier rifle......
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^ Everybody has been putting grenade launchers on carbines, at least since 1960s.
A couple of notes, though:
The carbine safety lever doesn't look much more handy than the regular AK one. Perhaps the optics mount is on the way of the normal lever on the other side?
The Aimpoint magnifier might be even better if it aligned perfectly with the Aimpoint red dot sight.
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C96 P08 With 2 magazines to have double load or two kind of ammo :thumbsup: :o
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/mauser-luger.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/mauser-luger.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds"")
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If you merge a Carabine M1 and a Thompson, do you get a US MP44? ;D
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/M1-thompson-MP44.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/M1-thompson-MP44.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds")
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/FlatDrum-mg34-m2.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/FlatDrum-mg34-m2.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)