Author Topic: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration (Read 23104 times)

raafif · « **on:** March 26, 2012, 10:58:34 AM »

just found this ...

where's Tophe !!

apparently a real idea from the aircraft industry

elmayerle · « **Reply #1 on:** March 26, 2012, 11:00:54 AM »

Damn, I want to see the front view of that one.

finsrin · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2012, 05:16:26 AM »

Could this be a B-48?
Is looking good. All thatz needed is wider hangers, taxie ways, runways.......

madoc · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:12:44 PM »

Looks like someone got a hold of a copy of "Consolidated Mess."

I can't help but think however that such a configuration, as depicted, would be severely underpowered. You've essentially got double the weight there with only 3/4 the horsepower to drive it (6 engines vs. 8.)

Still looks pretty funky though.

Madoc

Alvis 3.1 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2012, 12:37:38 AM »

Holy schninkies! I thought the author of "Consolidated Mess" was joking when he mentioned the Zwilling version!

Makes doing it now less appealing. Maybe. Or not. Darn. Now I'm uncertain. I hate when that happens.

It definitely needs another engine along the center line. Maybe add a couple pushers into the mix, but the whole thing becomes a nightmare of adding weight to get around a bad weight to horsepower ratio. But then, if it looks cool enough, then who cares?
ARRRG!!!!!!! Uncertainty again!!!!!

Alvis 3.1

jcf · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2012, 01:00:25 AM »

Full 'ornamental Design for an Airplane' patent at Google Patents:
http://www.google.com/patents/USD138102?dq=kelly+138,102

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2012, 05:58:36 AM »

What if the B-24 was used as the basis for turboprop experiments rather then the B-17:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2012, 06:05:58 AM »

Something cobbled together:

raafif · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2012, 09:37:00 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2012, 05:58:36 AM

What if the B-24 was used as the basis for turboprop experiments rather then the B-17:

Errk !! one for the Ugly File !

Quote from: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2012, 05:58:36 AM

Something cobbled together

That's better ! Maybe with Chinese stars flying alongside the Tu-4 TurboTracker ?

finsrin · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2012, 11:23:24 AM »

C-87HST (Hight Speed Transport) and early land based Navy AWACS.
Good bash concepts. :)

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2015, 03:51:35 AM »

A thread for your Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2015, 03:56:25 AM »

Subtle one: How about a USAAF B-24R using the fuselage of the PB4Y-2/P4Y-2 Privateer including the new/extra turrets but with the Turbosupercharged engines of the B-24s.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2015, 04:01:03 AM »

Interesting observation on this firefighting PBY4: The unframed windscreen - makes sense for its role.

https://youtu.be/S20O2ERtxTA?t=1m6s

elmayerle · « **Reply #13 on:** October 05, 2015, 07:34:56 AM »

How about a stripped-out and refit PB4Y-2 as a PB-4Y-2V staff transport in appropriate markings?

kitnut617 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 05, 2015, 07:45:47 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2015, 04:01:03 AM

Interesting observation on this firefighting PBY4: The unframed windscreen - makes sense for its role.

https://youtu.be/S20O2ERtxTA?t=1m6s

Hmm! the link says it's the only one -----

I wonder what this one is I saw back in 2013 at the Yuma Airshow

D'oh! it's the same one ---

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #15 on:** October 05, 2015, 08:02:37 AM »

The Rockcliffe Ice Wagon:

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2015, 09:28:19 AM »

ARC: 1/72 XB-41 - Destroyer Escort

elmayerle · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2015, 10:29:06 AM »

There's also that one-off that had a B-17G nose from just in front of the cockpit forward grafted onto a B-24 (don't remember the exact model). It's real, but it'd truly freak out a lot of folks.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2015, 10:33:39 PM »

Quote from: elmayerle on October 05, 2015, 10:29:06 AM

There's also that one-off that had a B-17G nose from just in front of the cockpit forward grafted onto a B-24 (don't remember the exact model). It's real, but it'd truly freak out a lot of folks.

This one:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2015, 11:00:31 PM »

A different deferent sort of Liberator: the single XB-24Q:

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2015, 02:18:40 AM »

Is that a RADAR controlled tail turret? Also remote controller turrets?

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2015, 02:49:24 AM »

From Joe Baugher's page on American Military Aircraft - USAAC/USAAF/USAF Bombers - USAAC/USAAF/USAF Bomber Aircraft-Third Series - Consolidated B-24 Liberator:

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The XB-24Q-FO was produced in July of 1946 by converting a B-24L (serial number 44-49916) at the General Electric company in Schenectady, New York to test a radar-controlled remote gun position in the tail that was being developed for the Boeing B-47 Stratojet. After completion of the tests, the XB-24Q was eventually sent to reclamation at Olmstead AAF in Pennsylvania in August of 1948 and was presumably scrapped there.

Sources:

Famous Bombers of the Second World War, William Green, Doubleday, 1959.

Liberator: America's Global Bomber, Alwyn T. Lloyd, Pictorial Histories Publishing Co, Inc, 1993.

General Dynamics Aircraft and Their Predecesssors, John Wegg, Naval Institute Press, 1990.

E-mail from Terence Geary on fate of XB-24Q.

Rickshaw · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2015, 10:05:17 AM »

Taken from this webpage - General Electric Air Research Demonstration, June 22, 1946 - rather an interesting collection of photos of what the USAAF was willing to show to the public, just after the end of the war.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2015, 12:27:50 PM »

Would not take much effort to add in the remote control turrets from the B-29 with the sighting blisters for the gunners to make a very much improved B-24.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #24 on:** October 07, 2015, 03:40:50 AM »

It is often forgotten that the Indian Air Force flew Liberators until 1968!

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Author Topic: Consolidated B-24 Liberator and PB4Y Privateer Ideas and Inspiration (Read 23104 times)

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