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Offline Tophe

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Constellightning and others
« on: July 20, 2014, 01:43:59 AM »
While the military Lockheed P-38 Lightning is famous, the civilian L-1038 Constellightning failed to seduce airlines, despite its similar beauty:

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2014, 01:49:15 AM »
Of course, piston engines seemed outdated, thus was proposed the L-1138 Super-Constellightning:

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2014, 02:20:18 AM »
The appearance of swept-wings and transsonic speeds leaded to the design of L-1238 Trans-Constellightning:

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2014, 03:50:03 AM »
While the military Lockheed P-38 Lightning is famous, the civilian L-1038 Constellightning failed to seduce airlines, despite its similar beauty:

Your amazing imagination never fails to impress, Tophe!

This is a wonderful concept and I might need to build something like it someday.

Outstanding, mon ami!

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 04:04:44 PM »
 :)

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2014, 05:02:27 PM »
While the military Lockheed P-38 Lightning is famous, the civilian L-1038 Constellightning failed to seduce airlines, despite its similar beauty:

If Lockheed absorbed Budd aircraft to get their stainless-steel fabrication expertise, then built a cargo version of this design with a high wing and a tail ramp (think AW Argosy), they could call it the Constellightoga......


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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 07:44:28 PM »
If Lockheed absorbed Budd aircraft to get their stainless-steel fabrication expertise, then built a cargo version of this design with a high wing and a tail ramp (think AW Argosy), they could call it the Constellightoga......
I am willing to draw it (thanks for the idea), but would it still be "obviously civilian"?

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 01:22:24 AM »
Sure, the A-W Argosy originated as a civil freighter aircraft that was later adopted by the RAF,
so a Constellightoga could have a similar history.



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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2014, 10:48:52 AM »
... but would it still be "obviously civilian"?

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2014, 11:02:09 AM »
Cool concepts 8)
They are inspiring to do kitbashes I will not have time to build - bummer.
Then again - maybe so ;)

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2014, 08:35:21 PM »
Sure, the A-W Argosy originated as a civil freighter aircraft that was later adopted by the RAF,
so a Constellightoga could have a similar history.

What he said..... ;)
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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2014, 09:33:07 PM »
So... here is my first try of a LBW (Lockheed-Budd-Weaver Inc.) Constellightoga:

Thanks again!

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2014, 11:46:11 PM »
The civilian Lockheed-jcf Constellightosy was also an interesting freighter:

Thanks!

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2014, 12:23:04 AM »
The Constellightoga and Constellightosy (above) reached success, good enough, while the Constellightning failed, due to the hard competition introduced by the North American Mustanliners and Twin-Mustanliner:

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2014, 12:28:39 AM »
The FB-38 code was not for a USAF killer but for the civilian heroic Fire-Bomber Lightning:

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2014, 07:43:14 AM »
So... here is my first try of a LBW (Lockheed-Budd-Weaver Inc.) Constellightoga:

Thanks again!


Thank you!  :) :) :)

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2014, 02:13:25 PM »
Back in 1935, the Lightning-design source was also civilian (and was a flying boat): Lockheed Twin-Hull Liner

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2014, 02:29:22 PM »
Back in 1935, the Lightning-design source was also civilian (and was a flying boat): Lockheed Twin-Hull Liner


aaaahhhhhhh   :)

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2014, 02:55:29 PM »
Thanks ericr...

Well, while the Twin-Hull Liner was not ordered at all, its derivative the Twin-Fuselage Liner reached 38,038 orders (38,380 copies built, including spare parts). I swear this is true (in my dreams at least):

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2014, 05:37:03 PM »
Lockheed marketing department had scheduled the sell of 100,000 improved TFL-2 but this failed alas:

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2014, 07:39:41 PM »
The TFL-3, with even more passengers, stayed on the drawing board:

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2014, 05:22:38 PM »
Those are some wonderful designs, Tophe! I really like the TFLs 2 & 3!

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2014, 06:07:52 PM »
Lockheed marketing department had scheduled the sell of 100,000 improved TFL-2 but this failed alas:



They're all fun, but I like this one in particular. That could come out looking very elegant in the plastic....



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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2014, 06:09:20 PM »
Thanks ericr...

Well, while the Twin-Hull Liner was not ordered at all, its derivative the Twin-Fuselage Liner reached 38,038 orders (38,380 copies built, including spare parts). I swear this is true (in my dreams at least):



On this one, why not merge the two engine pods into one, with two engines at each end driving co-axial props?
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Offline Tophe

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Re: Constellightning and others
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2014, 10:47:21 PM »
Oh yes, you obviously refer to the TFL-1 (between the TFL and the TFL-2). It was built in 38 copies, of course. With 4 V-1710 engines then 2 V-3420: