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Title: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 02, 2014, 10:25:28 PM
Going to do this in Canadian North livery following an experience I had one time going 'up-north' in a 737 and then landing on a private gravel runway that serves a diamond mine camp.

At any given time there are 2500 people at the camp, the only way in is up the Ice Road in winter and flying in during the summer.  Personal are changed around at about 100 people each day (that's a 100 coming in and 100 going out) so my thoughts were what if you could move 200 people each day and use something that could use the existing infrastructure.  C-130's use the airfield regularly so I'd expect an A400 could use whatever the C-130 can. 

The idea then is to put an A400 wing onto an A310 fuselage which sounds quite simple  -----  until I started looking into it.

Here's a pic of what I'm attempting (kindly put together by Kit [PR19-Kit])
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 02, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
I had made a start a while ago but everything got put on hold, top pic is from then, the bottom pic shows where it is today.  All I have done so far was to sand the A310 fuselage sides and cut out a wing box from an A400M and glue that part to the top wing half.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 02, 2014, 10:51:04 PM
Big part of the planning was getting a set of decals for it,  JBot Decals does a number of 737 sheets in the scheme I wanted to do but after a couple of emails to them asking if they could do a custom set for me I got no reply.  I then asked Kit if he could help me out and we were in the process of sorting things out when I suddenly got an email from JBot saying my decals were ready (without saying that they were actually taking on what I wanted).  Which put me in a spot ---

Anyway, Kit was very understanding when I explained what happened.

So these are the decals I'll be using specifically sized for an A310 fuselage  - in 1/72 that is --
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 03, 2014, 02:18:06 AM
This is going to be great!(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/drink/popcorn-and-drink-smiley-emoticon.gif)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Buzzbomb on July 03, 2014, 06:25:22 AM
woo hool. Terrific start, totally prepared
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: tsrjoe on July 04, 2014, 01:09:27 AM
waw, this is going to look amazing, a big b... too :D  8)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 04, 2014, 09:38:30 PM
Thanks guys:

As usually with my what-ifs, I like to have some plausibility to them, switching the wing seems a bit weird but these photos show they're quite close in size and wing area.  I'd imagine the A400M airfoil is more advanced than the A310's being of later design and that a large area of it is covered by prop-wash which I'd guess helps with lift.

The A310 fuselage is a couple of inches longer than the A400 fuselage, but it's marginally smaller in diameter, the A310 measures 76mm (in 1/72) whereas the A400's measures at 78mm.  The big difference is in the cross-section though, the A310 is dead round, whereas the A400 is only round from the 8 o'clock position, up to 12 o'clock, and back down to 4 o'clock. The cargo floor runs straight across from 4 to 8 o'clock and below that the bottom of the fuselage flattens out some, so that it measures 71mm from top to bottom.

Another project I'm working on is a stretched A400M, which actually ends up about the same length as the A310 fuselage (I'll post this build some time later)  which is the reason why this build is going ahead --- I had to buy two A400M's to do the stretch which left a lot of spare parts left over ---  ;D  But if you're thinking I'm going to have a lot of A310 parts left over --- well no.  The kit is an Aircraft in Miniature one, and I had written to Neil (the owner) asking if he had a pair of left-over fuselage halves (or some rejects) I could buy. He said he had so I bought them.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 04, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
Going off topic slightly to the recent USAF air tanker acquisition, if all the USAF wanted was a 767 size tanker, why did Airbus offer the A330 where the A310 (which is practically the same size as the 767) would probably served it better in the competition.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on July 04, 2014, 11:56:19 PM
I wonder why Airbus even entered into that competition since everybody knew the US military and Congress would not settle for a non American made aircraft. Wasted a lot of time and money.

Back to the thread here, very nice idea! Looks like good progress and cudos for getting decals ahead of time. Always one of my hang ups on a project. I hope to see more of this one!

I whiffed a 737 in the same train of thought by moving the wings to the top of the fuselage to get the engines higher off the ground. Still sitting on the bench because I don't know what scheme to paint it in.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 05, 2014, 03:45:39 AM
Going off topic slightly to the recent USAF air tanker acquisition, if all the USAF wanted was a 767 size tanker, why did Airbus offer the A330 where the A310 (which is practically the same size as the 767) would probably served it better in the competition.

Amongst other reasons because the A330 was still in production whereas the A310 was not.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 10, 2014, 04:50:57 AM
A little bit of progress  ----

The Aircraft in Miniature kits have a unique way for assembly.  Most have a keel which helps keep the fuselage halves from collapsing when you glue them together and increases the strength of the fuselage.

Top pic shows the parts of another A310 in pieces, and also where I've glued the keel in on the one I'm working on.  The AiM kits are mostly advertised as being 'pre-cut', this does not mean they are 'cut-to-size', it just means the parts have been cut out of the sheet but there's still a lot of sanding to do.

I've now glued the other fuselage half on and what you have to do is ""flood"" the joint with liquid glue (what the instructions say to do), the bottom pic shows how I'm holding it in place while the glue sets
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 10, 2014, 05:02:17 AM
So the sledge hammer in the corner is for making "major adjustments" to difficult projects? ;)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 10, 2014, 05:11:15 AM
 ;D

I have to make some adjustments so everything lines up right Jeff ----   :P
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 10, 2014, 06:03:35 AM
This has the makings of one amazing project, Robert!

There's never enough Canadian airliners!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 10, 2014, 06:39:46 AM
Thanks Brian,  the next thing I have to see if I can get, is some of that pale blue the rear fuselage and fin is painted with.  I contacted Canadian North a while ago and asked what shade it is and they were kind enough to provide the paint code but the only place where I can get it is down in Ontario.  I'll give them a call tomorrow (or sometime soon).  When I got my decals I also got some real world ones for a 1/72 737-300 which Canadian North really do operate, I'll probably get either the Welsh Models one (got a couple of their other 737's in the stash) or the new Aircraft in Miniature one as soon as it's available.  The idea is to pose them together once built --
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: apophenia on July 13, 2014, 04:31:57 AM
Very cool idea (no pun intended) and I love the Canadian North livery!
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 15, 2014, 11:50:13 PM
Thanks ap' ----

I have now got the fuselage halves glued together and I've cut out the area that the normal wing fits into.  This area includes the original wing root fairing but I won't be using any of this so I've cut out most of it.

Top pic shows the score line that the kit has moulded in, this is where the cut should go, second pic shows what I cut out.  When I did this the plastic sort of stress-relieved itself and the horizontal cut ended up bulged out in places.  I've rectified that by glueing some brass channel along the edges.  I roughed up the inside of the plastic and the face of the channel so the superglue has something better to attach to.

Bottom pic shows the groove in the A400 fuselage that the wheel sponson fits into, I was going to copy this but I think I'll just cut this out and glue it to the outside of the A310 fuselage.  I'm doing this for a couple of reasons, firstly, the A310 fuselage is 2mm smaller in diameter than the A400 fuselage (76mm as opposed to 78mm) so the sponsons will have to be glued directly to the outside of the A310 fuselage instead of being in a groove.  Secondly, the three groups of rectangular holes you see are to locate the undercarriage frames and some bulkheads inside the sponson.  Cutting it out will allow me to use the A400 kit features to line up everything as accurate as possible.

The next stage though it to make a half round section of styrene to fill in the cut out wing hole, my first attempt didn't work out very well. First off I've used too thick a sheet (2mm), I thought I read that AiM uses 2mm plastic on all their kits, but measuring the styrene thickness after I cut the hole out, it's only 1mm and then while trying to form the 2mm styrene it wouldn't form very well in one piece so I made a bunch of strips about 50mm wide, then glued these together after I had formed them.  Well that was a right cock-up so it's off to 'Plan B'.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: jcf on July 16, 2014, 02:14:12 AM
Brave work Robert.  :)

Most likely the sheet AiM use is 2mm before forming. The process of vac-forming
thins and stretches the material.
 :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 16, 2014, 02:52:41 AM
That's some very involved modeling, Robert!

Impressive as all get-out and it looks like you're on the way to making another prize-winner!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 16, 2014, 06:16:23 AM
Thanks guys --

What I'll attempt to do when I cut out the shape for the wheel sponsons is to cut inside the groove with the razor saw with a little bit to spare.  Then I'll sand it down to the correct shape. Once this is glued to the A310 fuselage, the sponson parts will fit around it --- hopefully !  I'm also trying to conserve as much of the A400 fuselage as possible because what's left will be used for my 'stretched' A400, so I'm doing some careful planning ahead for that project as I'm doing this one
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 16, 2014, 06:30:15 AM
Top two pics show how the sponson fits into the groove, the bottom pic is the Scale Aircraft Conversions set of very nicely cast white metal u/c parts I'm going to use on this project.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 17, 2014, 02:03:23 AM
Something I've to consider before I go any further with this --- nose weight !!

I decided to check what I would need, so I've just taped the tail plane onto it's approximate location (close as I can get it that is) because that's the only thing left to add to the rear of the fuselage, and then did a balancing act by placing the main wheel center line on the edge of a chest. I added the wing too and I had to add nearly 130 grams to the forward end ---- that's quite a lot  :o  and it's only just balancing.

I've now got to get it inside before I close the fuselage up.   :-X

It's interesting to note that on the A400M instruction sheet, it says to add 80 grams for that kit to sit on it's wheels  -- and that is right in the nose cone too ---

You can see where I've taped on the lead weight to the forward end so getting it closer to the front I might not need all the 130 grams for this one.

I think what I'll do right now is assemble the rest of the wing, apart from adding the lower half of the wing, there's a bunch of fairly large flap tracks to glue on and they're all behind the balance point. And while I'm at it, I'll get all the engine nacelles done and glue those on too.  Then I'll do a balance re-check ---
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 17, 2014, 09:29:34 PM
OK, nose weight has been resolved.  Top pic shows what I did, using the other A310 I have I was able to work out a reasonable plan, I flattened out the two strips of lead I had cut, then folded each one three times with one fold wrapped around a length of square styrene strip.  I then crimped the lead around the strip then filed each end to match the fuselage profile.  Getting it into the glued fuselage was a bit tricky but I managed to get it placed as far forward as possible.  I can't take a photo of the result though but I gave each end of the strip a large dollop of Humbrol Tube Glue and giving it a test shake this morning seems to show it's glued in.

Next I added some spacers into the wing cutout area and added some backing strips to each end of the cutout (second pic), after that I've made a keel extension plus some formers to keep the shell reasonable round when I get to fit it in (last pic)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 18, 2014, 04:21:53 AM
Your incredibly thoughtful approach and brilliant engineering never fail to amaze me.

Thanks for posting the play-by-play, Robert! I'm having a blast following the action!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: finsrin on July 18, 2014, 05:13:10 AM
Ambitious and way cool project 8)
Like what you are doing with these kits.
Build pictures are interesting - do keep posting.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 18, 2014, 08:07:13 PM
Thanks Brian, Bill ---

Did another balance test --- the balance point has moved to the rear end of the rear set of main wheels  (there's three pairs each side) but still a bit too close for comfort.  I'll assemble the wing now before I go any further.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 24, 2014, 12:32:51 AM
Some more progress --

After a bit of fiddling about, I got the keel extension in, this also included placing a full bulkhead at either end of the cutout.  Then I skinned it with some styrene I pre-formed to try and keep it's shape better.  I then cut the rest of the old wing root fairing out and filled in the gap.

But I've got a problem, while squeezing the new skin I did it too tight, and one of my nose weights (or maybe both) broke loose and is now floating around in the forward fuselage.  I've got a chance to fix this once I get the hole for the nose wheel bay cut out.  This won't happen until I get the main gear sponsons on because that will determine where the nose gear goes.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 24, 2014, 12:40:19 AM
So with the main gear sponsons in mind, I decided to see if I could cut the locating section for them out of the A400 fuselage.  This worked out quite well and now the plan is to assemble all the sponson components including this cutout bit then position them on the A310 fuselage as a modular unit 
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: apophenia on July 24, 2014, 06:05:18 AM
Wow! This just gets better and better  :)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 24, 2014, 06:09:52 AM
Wow! This just gets better and better  :)
+1

Robert really does tackle this in a most professional way with all of the structural modifications to keep the kit from warping and other mishaps.  A shame aboot the nose weight getting loose inside and I sure hope you can get it secured again when you open up the nose wheel landing gear bay doors.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Buzzbomb on July 24, 2014, 06:24:23 AM
Really nice work, some excellent model engineering.

Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 24, 2014, 07:30:21 AM
Thanks guys --
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on August 03, 2014, 10:53:43 PM
Bit more progress (summer around the acreage is taking it's toll).

I've been working on the sponsons and front wheel bay, the replacement u/c gear is turning into a bit of a chore trying to make them work.  For some reason the parts have come out a bit smaller than the kit parts so I've had to do some modifications to them.  I decided to use some of the kit parts though, the 'U-Frames' because the metal parts are a bit too soft and bend to easily
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on August 03, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
I'm also considering using the A400M tail-planes. after doing a comparison with the A310 tail-planes.  In the top pic it looks like the A400 ones are huge compared to the A310, that is until you overlay them, (second pic).  In the bottom pic I've penciled in the outline, on the right end is what I have to remove, and on the left end is what extra I have, so what I remove is about the same as what the extra is, so I end up with something just a bit bigger.  I think I'll go this way  --- means I'll have a more up-to-date tail-plane like the wing
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2014, 02:06:45 AM
summer around the acreage is taking it's toll.


I hear you brother!  It is winter here now so I get a rest from property maintenance.  It won't be long now before the summer rains and heat have me slaving away on the acreage though... :(
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Weaver on August 04, 2014, 06:17:09 AM
Just catching up with this: awesome project!

Another way to add weight to an already glued-up fuselage is to get 2mm steel shot (there's a modelling brand called Fluid Metal), dip each one in PVA, then put it in through a small hole and let it roll to the nose. Then, if you can, squirt some more PVA over the whole lot once they're in.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on August 04, 2014, 08:18:30 AM
Thanks guys --

Weaver, I'm going to go with pouring in some PVA glue onto the lump of lead already there (about 70 grams of it).  I'd heard about Gorilla Glue and I've bought a bottle of their PVA type.  Making up the u/c sponsons will determine where the nose gear bay goes, but it looks like it won't be far away from where the real A310 bay actually is, so until I get the hole for the bay cut out, I'll have to put up with the chunk rattling around for the moment.

Long time ago I used to use small lead shot, when my Dad had replaced a bunch of windows around the old house we lived in (in the UK), there were these ceramic pots inside the sash frame which were filled with it, these pots were counter-weights for the windows to make them easier to open and then keep them open.  Didn't bring any of it with me when I emigrated to Canada though and I had pounds of it back then.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on August 21, 2014, 05:41:00 AM
Then, if you can, squirt some more PVA over the whole lot.

That worked   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Weaver on August 21, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
Excellent!

I managed to glue a PM Messerschmidt P.1111 together without nose weight, but I got it in by dropping PVA-coated steel shot into the cockpit one-by-one and rolling them through the footwells and into the nose. Thank frak it didn't have a proper cockpit tub!
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on August 23, 2014, 04:08:29 AM
So trying to track down where I can get some correct shade of blue paint, I found I could get it out of Toronto.  The problem is minimum order is for five gallons plus hardener  --- and it has to come from Europe -----  :o :-\ :-X

So that's down the drain as far as I'm concerned.

So I went on the internet and found a bunch of photos of Canadian North aircraft and after printing off half a dozen, sorted them out so the blue that was shown in the pics looked sort of like the real aircraft I'd seen at the airport.  Then went down to the General Paint store and went through all their colour chips until I found something quite close. But I still had to buy a quart of it ---- for 20 bucks though !
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 23, 2014, 04:09:48 AM
The things we do for our hobby... :-\
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on August 28, 2014, 11:24:53 PM
Well, after leaving the PVA glue in the fuselage to dry --- for a week -- I restarted the PSR process.  Only to find the PVA glue pouring out of the hole after I had left it for a few hours lying horizontally on the workbench.  So yesterday while the power company had our entire neighbourhood shut down while a drilling rig was moved into the field just to the north of us (the power lines had to be lifted off the utility poles so the assortment of vehicle could get under it), I left it out in the sun.  The temperature rose to 31C in the afternoon but on the deck it was a lot hotter as it is a natural sun trap there.  I'm hoping the glue is now dried so I can continue working on the project.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on August 29, 2014, 03:41:48 AM
Good luck, Robert! I share your pain with glue challenges. When I'm not busy CA'ing parts to my fingers, I'm making a diorama of Lake Elmer's all over the bench...

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on October 31, 2014, 04:33:35 AM
Now the voting is over, could a Mod' please move my thread to 'Physical Builds-Aero'. 

My thanks to those who actually voted for this in-completed build --
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Madhatter on November 02, 2014, 07:09:58 AM
I'm sorry I am late for the party, but I only just found this read.
All I can say is an echo of everyone else's views on the engineering you've achieved here. Just astounding! Can't wait to see the finished product
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on November 02, 2014, 07:42:33 AM
I've every intension of finishing this project, it just had a few technical challenges which I hadn't foreseen -----
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on November 02, 2014, 09:05:20 AM
I know the feeling. Ain't it always like that?
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 20, 2014, 07:33:35 PM
I've every intension of finishing this project, it just had a few technical challenges which I hadn't foreseen -----

If it was easy everyone would be doing it Robert.  ;)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: ericr on April 03, 2019, 02:35:40 PM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on April 03, 2019, 10:15:26 PM
Jon has given me the go-ahead to continue with this project which got stalled a long time ago. Thanks Jon   :smiley:

So, to start again with, an up-to-date pic of the bits is in order I think
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 04, 2019, 01:12:03 AM
Nice to see this WIP back in the limelight.  Good luck! 
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on April 04, 2019, 01:19:03 AM
Thanks Jeff
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on April 08, 2019, 11:40:01 PM
Had a bit of a "panic" moment yesterday --- I got out the project so I could get back into it and found to my horror  ----  the main wheel sponsons had disappeared   :o   now these things are not small, twice as big than a Spitfire fuselage ---- spent most of the afternoon looking through boxes but eventually I found them   :-\  I re-discovered I haven't got as far into them as I thought, one sponson has the undercarriage mounting parts glued in but the sponson shell halves are still separate. And I had not done anything to the other side. Pics to follow soon of the progress  ---

Actually in reply #33 you can see the status of the sponson build.

This project got shelved back before I started working at YYC mainly because I couldn't get the right colour shade of the blue on the rear fuselages of Canadian North. But once I was able to get around the airport by myself I had the opportunity to observe the aircraft that Canadian North used because they are based there.  The blue is sort of metallic, but not you flake type a metallic. It's more like a chrome finish and I've found a few hobby paints which actually say Chrome Black, or Chrome Red. And I found a reference to a Humbrol colour called Chrome Blue (H52). But do you think I can find any ----  :-X  So I'll make some myself ---
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 08, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
@Robert/Kitnut617 - I feel your pain, have encountered similar situations here with trying to find things I thought were at hand and have either been disposed of or are still hidden away in another box at my storage unit. 
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on April 08, 2019, 11:58:57 PM
The funny thing is Jeff, I had been looking at them a few months ago because they were in an open box on my workbench, but since then I've been doing an up to date kit count and had moved stuff around some. I just forgot where I had put them. Still, got them now so it's on with the project.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: finsrin on April 13, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
You are not alone regarding misplaced parts.  All to frequent around here.  Enjoying pictures.  Nice work !
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on April 13, 2019, 10:14:19 PM
Thanks Bill,

So I'm slowly getting back into this, re-discovering things I had previously done to rectify problems, like the replacement Scale Aircraft Conversions white metal u/c I got for the project. I mentioned above that the parts are smaller than the originals, so I found I had fixed some of the parts and abandoned some of the other parts as un-usable.

In these pics you can see that I had to modify the little locating stub on the end of the main u/c arm. I found I had modified three of the arms so now I've got to do the other three (top two pics). In the bottom pic you can just see why I had to make the extended stubs. But when I put the original plastic parts in, everything is fine.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on April 13, 2019, 10:18:20 PM
I still have to do some painting inside the sponson before I glue the first one together, the second one nothing got done to it before, something I thought I had started  :-X  But I've got everything ready to go. Middle pic shows what it looks like when it is all glued together.
 
I've also worked out how to sand the side that will be glued to the fuselage. I found that the kit A310 fuselage has almost the same diameter as the outside diameter of a bit of 2 1/2" nominal bore pipe (which is 2.875" [73mm]). The A310 fuselage is 76mm so once I wrapped some sandpaper around the pipe I got hold of, it more or less is bang on. Makes quite a nice sanding block, which also works for the wing box (bottom pic)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on April 19, 2019, 04:34:03 AM
A bit of progress:

I've got the wing assembled and glued on the flap track fairings, then finalized the wing box to fuselage connection. Before I glue it together I also got the tail plane on. In reply #34 you will see I had found that the A310 and A400 tail plane were quite similar, and I had penciled onto the A400 tail plane where the fuselage would be.  What I've done is cut out the tail plane shape on the fuselage side so that the new tail plane will fit right into the slot and then I'll fit it right on the pencil line. I've also got a round brass spar running through each tail plane and fuselage to keep everything level. I decided to do that because I examined photos of the Transall to see how that tail plane was orientated and found it level and about as far below the wing as on this project. I will square off the A400 tail plane tips though, and I'm also going to give it a bigger dorsal fillet. You can see the leading edge of it in the bottom pic.
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Post by: apophenia on April 19, 2019, 06:14:05 AM
That is looking amazing! Truly impressive work and eye for detail  :smiley:
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 19, 2019, 11:53:06 PM
Thanks Steven,

Here's some pics of the slot I cut and the spar in the tail plane. The slot is something you have to do with the construction of the A310 anyway, as the original tail is moulded as one complete piece, you then slide it through the slot. I decided to do something similar with the new tail plane which gave it something solid to glue to.  The spar I've made is glued into the starboard side of the tail plane for the moment, once I'm reading to glue the tail plane in place, I'll squirt some super glue onto the spar in the region of it's end (it's in contact inside of the parts at the leading edge and where it will contact the inner end of the tail plane).

I've also squared off the tail plane tips (pics of that later though)
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 22, 2019, 06:21:54 AM
The build is progressing:

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Post by: kitnut617 on April 22, 2019, 06:34:03 AM
Top pic here shows a comparison of one of the nacelles to a CH-146.

I decided to mount the nacelles temporarily, just to see how it sits. Then I had another moment of Oh f&$k! It didn't look right (middle two pics). The nacelles have a very pronounced downward slant towards the spinner. I was sure I had very carefully cut the wing box off the A400 fuselage while observing that the bottom edge of the wing box ran parallel to the top and bottom of the fuselage. I paid extra attention to how I have it on the A310 fuselage and everything seems to be alright there. So off to have a review of reference material ----

I wrote to Kit (PR9_Kit) as I knew he had just recently finished his Snoopy A400 and he replied that indeed the nacelles do droop down towards the front (showed me a couple of pics of his 'in progress' build). Just to make sure I did some delving around the internet and I found an official Airbus side view of the A400M. Sure enough the engines do really droop down. (bottom pic)  Phew!  ::)
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 22, 2019, 09:59:14 PM
Interesting thing I noticed on that official A400N side view, the nacelles are angle down to the same angle as the refueling probe. That would mean it's normal flight orientation is slightly nose up, wouldn't you say ---
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Post by: GTX_Admin on April 23, 2019, 01:39:07 AM
Interesting thing I noticed on that official A400N side view, the nacelles are angle down to the same angle as the refueling probe. That would mean it's normal flight orientation is slightly nose up, wouldn't you say ---

Hard to say from photos.  This one kind of shows that but it could be the camera angle:

(https://asianmilitaryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/1-RMAF_A400M_First_Flight.jpg)
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Post by: Kerick on April 23, 2019, 01:43:16 AM
A beast that big can fly at whatever angle it wants to!  >:D
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 23, 2019, 02:03:56 AM
Yeah! like that Greg --- although that view might be a little more nose high because as you say the angle the photo was taken.

I've only seen an A400M three times while at the airport, always on the apron though because they came and left when I wasn't on shift.
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 23, 2019, 02:09:24 AM
A beast that big can fly at whatever angle it wants to!  >:D

He, He, He!   ;D  an aside story: we used to have a very large Great Dane (36" to the shoulder and 185lb, pic of him with mrs kitnut below), one day an appliance service guy was in to fix something and he wanted to know where the dog laid down, our reply was 'anywhere he wants to'   ;D
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Post by: elmayerle on April 23, 2019, 03:12:50 AM
Reminds me of a transmission shop I once did business with.  They had a German Shepherd guard dog.  When I picked up my car, it was obvious he had slept on the roof as there was a saucer-sized paw print on the top of the windshield.
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 27, 2019, 04:29:56 AM
Tail group is now done, I glued a shaped base plate to the top of the fuselage for the dorsal fillet side sheets to glue to, then glued them on after gluing the leading edge strip. Glued the tailplane into place then did a round or two of PSR. Then I gave it a coat of primer. There's some clean up to do though but most of it has come out quite good.
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Post by: Brian da Basher on April 27, 2019, 07:42:52 AM
That's one of the cleanest fin fillet mods I've ever seen.

Brian da Basher
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 27, 2019, 08:56:57 PM
Thanks Brian, I've had a good look at it now that the paint has dried. A couple of areas need a bit of attention, the join of the fillet leading edge to fin leading edge has a bit of a notch to it for one and some other holes need filling. The white primer helps with showing up the defects ---
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Post by: Volkodav on April 28, 2019, 05:00:23 PM
A beast that big can fly at whatever angle it wants to!  >:D

He, He, He!   ;D  an aside story: we used to have a very large Great Dane (36" to the shoulder and 185lb, pic of him with mrs kitnut below), one day an appliance service guy was in to fix something and he wanted to know where the dog laid down, our reply was 'anywhere he wants to'   ;D


and I thought my boy was big!
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 30, 2019, 01:28:01 AM
Got the nacelles done and glued on (top pic). Before I did that I painted the inside of the air intakes and the face of the compressors. In the second pic which I'm posting again, you can see the small triangular parts in front of the engines, I painted the inside side of them which is the side you see. These parts are turned upside down and fit into the triangular opening on the engine with the round bit up against the compressor face (third pic). However, once the lower front of the nacelles are in place you can see about naff all ----- (bottom pic). Also in the bottom pic you can see a radiator duct on the bottom of the nacelles, you have to add a small part which is the radiator before the nacelles side get glued together and is about half way down the intake, something else you're just not going to see when it's all built up. There is a lot of flash around the intake of this duct and on the exit end, maybe once I clean it all up something will be visible ---

The four nacelles are almost identical, the #1 nacelle and the #4 nacelle are interchangeable, the #2 and #3 nacelles are different slightly and also different to each other. That's because on the outer side of these inner nacelles it has what looks like a bit of armour plate which is inline with the outer nacelle propellers. I think I'm going to add something similar to the fuselage sides when I get that far ahead. I used to see something like it on the sides of the Q400's at YYC
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Post by: ericr on April 30, 2019, 01:59:32 AM

impressive !

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Post by: kitnut617 on April 30, 2019, 02:02:23 AM
 :smiley: thanks
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Post by: apophenia on April 30, 2019, 02:48:27 AM
impressive !

It is indeed! I love your eye for detail - like that Beluga-type dorsal fin  :smiley:
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 30, 2019, 03:41:06 AM
Thanks Steven, I had compared the A400 fin/rudder to the A310's, and it dwarfed it, so thought my project needed a bit more fin. But until you just told me about the Beluga fin, I hadn't realized it had a dorsal fillet. Looking at photos just now I see what you mean, it's almost the same isn't it   :-\
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 30, 2019, 04:38:04 AM
The spinners come in two halves, front & back ends. The back end I've already glued to the pin in the nacelle and I've glued the props to the front ends of the spinners.

Here I've just taped the prop/spinner to the nacelle/spinner,   just so I can see it as it will be   :P   

I'm not going to glue them on for a while yet, I want to get the sponsons and some of the main paint on first before I do that.
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Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 30, 2019, 07:05:34 AM
Looking like a right and proper aeroplane! :smiley:
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Post by: Kerick on April 30, 2019, 07:12:24 AM
Looks very right!
Some left over fuselage parts there. Submarine? Spaceliner?
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Post by: kitnut617 on April 30, 2019, 08:25:48 AM
Thanks Jeff, kerick -----

When I first started this project I had realized that there would be quite a bit left over. So what to do with them ? Well the box under the model should maybe give you a clue  --- that's because it's another one I picked up. My plan is to do a 'stretched' A400, I'll call it an A400-30 and it will be for the RCAF. I've already got some neat decals for it, the Revell box art calls it a Grizzly, in RCAF service it would be called a Kodiak, a bigger grizzly.

So here's a paper print of the decal I've got for it already, I'll work it into a camouflage scheme. The decal I've got is actually one of the greys that RCAF transport aircraft have. CanMilAir did it for me after I sent Bill a file of the bear I made up. And the spare parts from the second A400M will go towards the BAe 844 I have plans to make. I've got parts of another A310 to do that.
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Post by: Kerick on April 30, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
That bear looks awesome! Nice idea.
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Post by: Old Wombat on April 30, 2019, 11:14:01 PM
Do you have just the one Kodiak or two mirrored ones? ???


I'm not a great transport fan (I realise their importance, I just don't find them that interesting) but this build is looking great! :smiley:
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 01, 2019, 01:25:02 AM
Two mirrored ones Guy, I had made the bear image and then asked Bill at CanMilAir if he could print it for me, along with some modified CC-177 decals. I had him scale those down to 1/83 scale so they would fit the A400M. You can see the size difference in the pic below.
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Post by: Old Wombat on May 01, 2019, 08:22:50 AM
Cool! 8) :smiley:
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Post by: apophenia on May 03, 2019, 04:19:17 AM
Cool! 8) :smiley:

It is indeed! So, Airbus CC-179 Kodiak?

Thanks Steven, I had compared the A400 fin/rudder to the A310's, and it dwarfed it, so thought my project needed a bit more fin. But until you just told me about the Beluga fin, I hadn't realized it had a dorsal fillet. Looking at photos just now I see what you mean, it's almost the same isn't it   :-\

I love stories like that. How many times do we whif something only to find out that it's already Real World  ;D
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 03, 2019, 04:50:28 AM

So, Airbus CC-179 Kodiak?


I like the sound of that   :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 06, 2019, 04:26:20 AM
Got some more done but not all to the plan   ::)

Originally I thought I could put the nose u/c leg from the A400 where the nose u/c leg is on the A310. It seemed to work when I was offering parts up so I could get a visual on it. So I cut out a hole in the underside of the nose for the A400 nose wheel bay to fit, then assembled the nose gear and then did a measurement.  It didn't work -----  I then had to move the wheel bay back down the fuselage until it would work, I did this at 10mm at a time.

Top pic show just how much I had to cut it back (you can also see where I had to dig out all the Gorilla Glue I had poured in to fix the nose weight back in place). Second pic shows where the wheel bay fits in and the bottom pic is the piece of styrene card that will have to be put in to fill the hole up. I've used some thick card here, shaped it as best as it would go, and once it's all glued in so that there's more sticking out on the outside, I'll then have to sand it down to the shape of the compound curves the nose has.
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 06, 2019, 04:30:41 AM
Top two pics here are of the nose wheel bay I assembled (but not totally glued together yet). Bottom pic shows I now have the two main gear sponson at the same assemble point. There's some more painting to the landing lights at the front, then there's a couple of decals to go in each one which is also part of the landing lights, then the landing lights windows have to be glued in before I can button it up.
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Post by: Old Wombat on May 06, 2019, 05:54:29 PM
That's damned good work, mate! 8) :smiley:
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Post by: finsrin on May 06, 2019, 06:08:27 PM
Landing gear is toooo good.  Know the rest will be.  :smiley:
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 06, 2019, 08:57:54 PM
Thanks Guy, Bill ---

The nose bay and styrene card are now all glued in yesterday evening, I'm letting the glue thoroughly dry before starting the sanding process. Meanwhile I'll press on with the sponsons. I really need to get these fitted on so I can glue the wing in place. I think I will paint up the nose gear and get the nose wheels glued on, going to need them so they don't fall apart while I'm fitting the sponsons. After that, on to the main painting ---- at least that's the plan   ::)

I bought a set of the Scale Aircraft Conversions white metal landing gear but I'm a bit disappointed with them, the metal is much too soft. I'm now wondering if it will hold the weight over time, I had some sets like that before (not SAC ones by the way) where I left the model sitting on the shelf (a couple of P-47's), came back a few months later and all the models u/c legs had all folded forward by themselves.
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 07, 2019, 09:37:27 PM
The nose bay area sanded up quite well, I was going to spray the area up with primer outside today but it's pissing down with rain so it will have to wait.
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Post by: apophenia on May 08, 2019, 03:45:33 AM
Got some more done but not all to the plan   ::)

Youch ... plenty of extra work there! Nice looking work though (the irony being that, when finished, all this trial-and-fit will be invisible!).
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Post by: Brian da Basher on May 08, 2019, 04:57:30 AM
It's always a great pleasure to see your incredible kit engineering and follow along.

Many thanks for the play-by-play!

Brian da Basher
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 08, 2019, 05:23:20 AM
Thanks Steven, Brian ---
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 09, 2019, 08:01:13 AM
So I've figured out how much the sponsons have to be to the fuselage ---- but I've hit a snag.  The Plan was to sand the inside of them to suit the fuselage using my pipe sanding block. Problem is I'll have to sand way too much off the top side of the sponson which will then reduce the width of the track because the bottom of the wheels have to be at a certain measurement from the bottom of the fuselage.  Not what I wanted --- so on to Plan Delta  ;)  Just have to figure out how to make Plan Delta work   :-\
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 11, 2019, 05:09:11 AM
Some pics of where it's at:

After sanding the nose gear bay to shape I sprayed it with white primer, it changed the perspective and/or reference marks and I think I've got to redo where the bay is located  :-X it looks a little off now  (top pic). I also had to do some adjustments to the tail group which means I've got some tidying up to do there as well. To help with the references, I photo-copied the windshield decal and taped it into position after cutting it out. This definitely helps orientate things better. I've got to figure out how I'm going to mark the outline of the decal now so I get it in the same position when I actually apply the decal but the forward fuselage will be all white.
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Post by: Brian da Basher on May 11, 2019, 05:20:53 AM
That's some fine progress and I like the livery you've got planned.

Brian da Basher
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 11, 2019, 05:28:06 AM
Cheers Brian ---
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Post by: finsrin on May 11, 2019, 05:35:54 AM
Gee, really is coming together.  So I aint only one subject to redo tasks !
Decal copy and tape is smart move. :smiley:   We can all learn from that.
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 11, 2019, 05:40:49 AM
Thanks Bill ---

So I aint only one subject to redo tasks !

 ;D
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Post by: Old Wombat on May 12, 2019, 01:03:01 AM
That looks really good! :smiley:
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Post by: Kerick on May 12, 2019, 03:18:46 AM
This is a great bash! Gives me ideas.... like I need more ideas! I can’t build them as fast as I think of them!
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 12, 2019, 06:02:18 AM
Thanks Guy, Kerick ---

Although the A310 is only 5 feet longer than the A400, the fuselage has more of a constant cross section going further to the rear. This makes ground clearance a bit problematic with the undercarriage the height it has. So I've decided to lengthen the nose leg and then what I have to do to mount the sponsons will have a slightly different orientation.

Top pic here shows the difference between the standard nose gear and my modified gear. I've added 4mm to the leg above the scissor link.

Bottom pic is of the main gear set up. The plan here was to sand the inside profile to match the A310 fuselage, well as I've said a couple of posts ago, it doesn't work so good. I'm working out a bunch of ribs to go between the sponson and fuselage and I'll be able to allow for the extra nose leg length as I do it.
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 12, 2019, 06:17:56 AM
Back at the beginning of this thread, I said that I got the idea for this project after being sent way up north to a diamond mine. I had a long lay-over from the time I got to Yellowknife to the time I went to the mine. So the time was spent watching the other freight airlines loading up their aircraft with just about everything and anything they could get through the side doors. If anyone has watched Ice Pilots you'd know what I'm talking about.

Well the A310/A400 is a very large aircraft compared to what I was seeing being loaded up, mostly 737's and smaller aircraft, when it occurred to me that this project of mine could very well be a passenger/freight aircraft. Working on the sponsons I see that the main u/c is completely contained in the sponsons, so no u/c intruding into the fuselage area, this opens up the opportunity to have the cargo area under the cabin floor, to be continuous from the rear to front with no obstruction. So I'm going to make a decal depicting some swing down door outlines for it which would be like the rear doors of a C-5. This way cargo of very long lengths (like pipes, lumber etc) could very easily be loaded. Thinking about it, I think I'll include a side cargo door outline for the cabin too ----
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Post by: apophenia on May 12, 2019, 06:36:49 AM
That is looking seriously great! From your descriptions of details, probably looking deceptively close to finish  :smiley:
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 12, 2019, 08:13:42 AM
Thanks Steven ---

Once I've got the small fuselage mounting ribs made for the sponsons, it will just be a case of gluing them on, then the wing. Then it's off to the paint shop.
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 17, 2019, 09:57:50 PM
In Reply #106 I said that there was only 5 feet difference between the two aircraft, well I'm not sure that's right now (I got that from wiki though). Measuring the two kit fuselages I find there's a difference of 21 feet  ??? Fortunately, what extra is in front of the wing, is very close to what extra is behind it.
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 17, 2019, 10:16:56 PM
I realized I had to be a bit more technical with the sponsons. What I thought I could do didn't work, so I drew up a cross-section of the fuselage and sponson (top pic). I decided to make the u/c track the same as what it is on the A400 but it meant that the sponson had to be moved further away from the fuselage. In the photo, you can see where I cut out a bit of the development, I then transferred that to a bit of styrene card. This will be the master for all of the ribs I need to glue to the sponson. I'm making them all the same even though some stick out top and bottom at the front and back of the sponson. The idea is I can align them better this way and what is sticking up or down will be trimmed later. Bottom three pics show the ribs in place before they get trimmed. Another reason I did it this way because where it will attach to the fuselage, the fuselage has a constant cross-section so it's all the same fit.
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 17, 2019, 10:20:13 PM
In this photo I've now trimmed the ribs which are sticking out the top at each end, and added a strip of styrene to fill the gap between the sponson top edge and fuselage.  Bottom pic is another view of how I'm working the very ends of the sponson. I'm going to leave adding in a strip to the bottom edge until after the sponsons are glued on though.
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Post by: Brian da Basher on May 18, 2019, 03:10:54 AM
Mighty fine work on those sponsons.

The ribs look spot on!

Brian da Basher

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Post by: kitnut617 on May 18, 2019, 03:19:30 AM
Thanks Brian, the third pic down in Reply #111 gives you a good idea of the difference between the A400 cross section and the A310s. The A310 is completely circular, the A400 is circular from about where the hour hand on a clock would be starting at 7.30, up to 12.00, then back down to 4.30. Then from 4.30 over to 7.30 the bottom of the fuselage is flatter, although still has a radius. The two 'corners' at 4.30 and 7.30 have quite a small radius. It's why my original idea for sanding the sponson wouldn't work, the tips of the ribs at the bottom back to the bottom edge of the sponson should tell you how much I would've had to sand out of the top edge. Not a good idea as the wheels retract into this space, apart from making the wheel track much narrower.
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Post by: apophenia on May 18, 2019, 03:59:40 AM
Nice save on the sponsons  :smiley: It's actually rather a shame that all your tidy rib work will be hidden  :(

On the sanding-down-the-sponsons option. Certainly that'd been less work. But, as you say, it would narrow the wheel track. It would probably also mean that the bays for retracted wheels would be pushed into the interior space (as on the Il-76 but nicer if you can avoid it).
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 18, 2019, 04:03:25 AM
Thanks Steven.  Yeah, I really wanted to keep the wheel track width if I could, I just hadn't realized during the planning stage I would lose so much of it. When offering up parts it didn't look like it would --- that is until you start bashing the kit ---
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 24, 2019, 10:09:48 PM
Got some more done but it's slowed down at the moment. Lots of yard work to catch up on now that spring is here.

Anyway, an important thing I had to do was re-orientate the nose wheel bay. I had to rotate the bay around to the port side by about 1.5mm (top pic). The wider black line you see is actually the gap which I've now got to fill in, should have that done today. Now I've got the u/c leg to hang vertically inline with everything else, like the fin and windshield center (bottom pic).

Progress also on the second sponson with most of the new ribs shaped, but not glued on yet. I have to give this some thought on how I'm going to align the sponsons correctly to the fuselage, I don't want to cock it up as it will be harder to rectify than the job I did on the nose bay.

Another thing I've had to change my mind on was when to glue the wing on, and now I've got the nose wheel bay moved, I think the wing goes on next instead of how I was going to do it, sponsons then wing. This is because of the way I've come up with to clamp the wing down to the fuselage using some string, it doesn't do it so good with the sponsons in the way. I'll probably get the wing on today I think.
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Post by: Brian da Basher on May 25, 2019, 01:10:02 AM
That's looking good and I'm sure your plan is better than any armchair quarter-backing I could offer.

Always a treat to see an update on this one!

Brian da Basher
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Post by: kitnut617 on May 25, 2019, 02:17:18 AM
Thanks Brian --

I've also been experimenting with the colour mix for the blue rear end. While at the LMS last week to pick up some styrene stock, I finally found a tin of Humbrol H52. This is like a chrome blue as opposed to a traditional metallic blue. Still not the right shade though so I mixed it 50/50 with some Humbrol H14, a gloss French Blue. The result is almost right on --- being able to get real close to actual Canadian North aircraft help me to determine what the blue they use is like which has a chrome look to it. I'm going to try something else before I settle on what the mix is, going to add a couple of drops of Humbrol H201 Chrome Black to see what effect it has.

For what it's worth, Big Plane Kits do a 1/72 737-200 with gravel kit in Canadian North scheme, but they list the blue as Humbrol Medium Blue. But that's the wrong shade completely.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on May 25, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
Sometimes mixing up custom paint is as much fun as building the model. Few things are more satisfying to me than finally matching the ever changing and elusive blue in the center of old French roundel decals. I've been known to pour some of the good stuff to celebrate on those rare occasions when I get it even close.  :icon_beer:

The gravel kit mention is reminding me of an in-progress 737 build over on A/CAM (http://airliner-civil-aircraft-modeller.com/forum/index.php) but I think that one's in a different scale.

Watching with interest,
 8)
Brian da Basher

Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Robomog on May 26, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
That's looking wicked with the multi bladed props, looking forward to seeing the finished aircraft.

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on May 26, 2019, 09:57:47 PM
Thanks Mog ---

For what it's worth, the wing was glued on yesterday. So another milestone ---
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 28, 2019, 06:31:49 AM
A masterpiece, I am sure it will be.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on May 28, 2019, 07:42:31 AM
Thanks Carlos  :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on May 30, 2019, 10:44:39 PM
The 'Plan' is coming together ----   :icon_ninja:

Top pic shows the second set of ribs and you can see here the difference in the two profiles I've had to deal with.
Second and third pics show them glued to the sponson, last pic shows how it fits to the fuselage.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 31, 2019, 03:57:45 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/53/05/83/530583e79e4fc7f75855995d511e185c.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: apophenia on May 31, 2019, 05:14:29 AM
Looking good! And loving these in-progress photos  :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on May 31, 2019, 06:58:24 AM
Thanks guys ---

Greg, that's my favorite quote --- I use it all the time ---    ;D along with "Get it, Got it, Good"
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 01, 2019, 05:08:27 AM
The port sponson is a little bit more advanced along, here I've got the top edge sanded down to fit the fuselage quite well.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 01, 2019, 05:47:22 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on June 01, 2019, 11:29:27 AM
I’ve been watching this build with a great deal of interest! I’m really looking forward to see the finished product! Do those props come off? I’d hate to see them get broken when sanding.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 01, 2019, 09:29:33 PM
Yes kerick, the props and forward part of the spinners are just taped on. Having them there just gives me a visual perspective of how it will look. I'm deciding now if I will paint the spinners the shade of blue the rear end of the fuselage will have, or have them a satin black. Haven't decided which way it will go yet.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on June 01, 2019, 10:03:27 PM
Go with some color to give it a little pop. Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 01, 2019, 10:20:37 PM
I'm leaning that way   ;)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 01, 2019, 10:37:37 PM
I've been thinking of another thing I might do. I'm remembering the 'gravel kit' that the 737 I went on had. I'm going to try to figure out how half of the nose wheel bay door could be used as a gravel deflector behind the nose wheels when extended, but then also be the door when retracted ----  :icon_meditation: :icon_meditation: :icon_meditation:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Old Wombat on June 01, 2019, 11:32:57 PM
Those sponsons are engineering marvels! :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 01, 2019, 11:41:01 PM
Thanks Guy ---
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on June 02, 2019, 05:19:10 AM
Those sponsons are engineering marvels! :smiley:

I think Mr Kitnut has some of the best styrene engineering out there.

It's always a treat to see his latest amazing solution to a kit conundrum.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 02, 2019, 06:02:50 AM
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but many thanks Brian --
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 02, 2019, 06:20:35 AM
Really folks, there's nothing very miraculous about it. It was just fortunate that this piece of pipe (2 1/2" nominal bore) is very close to the same diameter as the 1/72 A310 fuselage (top pic). Once I wrapped a sheet of wet & dry sandpaper around it, it was practically bang on for diameter. All I had to do was elevated it enough (using the Lego item you see in the next pic) and place it on a sheet of Teflon I have, then it was just a case of sand it away keeping the bottom of the sponson as flat as I could on the Teflon (bottom pic)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 05, 2019, 04:29:56 AM
Port sponson is now at the same status as the starboard one. Now I have to do what I've been holding off on, get the landing lights painted and decaled, then glue the landing light windows in, then glue the top & bottom halves of the sponsons together.  I was holding off just to make sure I didn't get any sanding dust inside the landing light compartments.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on June 05, 2019, 06:22:16 AM
Those sponsons and very cool props make it look ready for business!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: finsrin on June 05, 2019, 08:03:41 AM
Interesting concept-subject to pursue.  Coming together as it should.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 05, 2019, 09:31:52 PM
Thanks Brian, Bill ----
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 10, 2019, 12:23:22 AM
Sponsons are glued on ----  :icon_beer: :icon_beer: :icon_beer:  That's the last of the big items that needed doing.

The instruction sheet for the A400 says to paint the landing lights (chrome silver) before applying some decals. I did that then had to glue in some windows that are in front of the lights. Did that then glued the top and bottom halves of the sponsons together.

But before that I had to adjust all the u/c support frames so that all the wheels ended up level once they get installed. Needed to do this to make sure everything lines up once the nose gear is installed too.

Then it was just a case of making sure the fuselage sides where the sponsons got glued on was straight.

Now the fun starts, just got to make the fuselage/sponson root fairings for the bottom. By leaving these off, I was able to check that all the ribs were in contact with the fuselage side and that they were all attached good and proper once I had glued them on. Hopefully I can get all this done by next week, plus the 'tidying up' it needs before I start painting it.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on June 10, 2019, 01:28:06 AM
That's quite a milestone and some fantastic styrene engineering!

Brings to mind the C-130s that are based here that I see a lot of.

You definitely earned a cold one after all that work!
 :icon_beer:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 10, 2019, 07:10:05 AM
Yeah, like a C-130 --- only bigger by 1 1/2 times
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Old Wombat on June 10, 2019, 07:31:39 AM
Impressive! :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 10, 2019, 07:35:54 AM
Cheers Guy ----
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 12, 2019, 04:57:03 AM
Hmm! well! filling in the space between the bottom inside edge of the sponsons to the fuselage proved to be way easier than what I had imagined it would ---

But there's something odd with the position of the sponsons, they're a bit wider apart at the front. Measuring them it's a difference of 1mm. Checking what I had done I've found it's the fuselage, it's slightly smaller in diameter at the rear end of the sponson. Not sure what went wrong there, it was a while ago when I glued the fuselage parts together. And there's nothing I can do with it now so it will just stay like it is.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 12, 2019, 05:07:50 AM
Something else I just noticed in the photos, one of the light decals is missing :'(  and it doesn't appear to be in the compartment either   :-\
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 12, 2019, 09:53:11 AM
Only you will know and paint hides a multitude of imperfections :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 12, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
 >:D      ;)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on June 12, 2019, 11:02:59 PM
No one will notice one mm difference. Only if you tell them! Looking awesome so far, can’t wait to see the paint!
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 13, 2019, 12:36:01 AM
Thanks kerick ----

Now it's a general clean-up, some PSR and what not ---

I had a look at the C-130 nose gear wheel bay door brackets, I'll do something similar but those bits are too small for what I plan.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 14, 2019, 09:58:42 PM
Not much done this last couple of days, I'm hobbling around on crutches after spending yesterday at the hospital having re-constructive surgery on my ankle which was crushed in an accident back in '71.  I've got to keep my leg elevated so I'll spend the time working out how the nose wheel bay door/gravel deflector operating arms will look. I do have the C-130 door arms to get an idea and it'll follow more or less the same way. The gravel deflector on the 737 I went on was actually attached to the wheel axles and turned when the nose gear turned, my set up will be fixed to the fuselage though.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on June 15, 2019, 02:17:47 AM
Best of luck for a speedy recovery, Robert!

I can bodge up an airliner or two as placeholders until you're better if it helps.  ;D

I hope you're back on your feet soon.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 16, 2019, 08:50:29 PM
I've abandoned the 'gavel deflector' idea for the front wheel bay door, the geometry needed for the arms doesn't work with the wheel bay on the model. I'll go back to the A400 style of doors instead.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 17, 2019, 02:02:49 AM
Not much done this last couple of days, I'm hobbling around on crutches after spending yesterday at the hospital having re-constructive surgery on my ankle which was crushed in an accident back in '71.  I've got to keep my leg elevated so I'll spend the time working out how the nose wheel bay door/gravel deflector operating arms will look.

The extent that some people will go to get out of finishing a job... ;)  Get well soon mate.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 17, 2019, 02:42:36 AM
Not much done this last couple of days, I'm hobbling around on crutches after spending yesterday at the hospital having re-constructive surgery on my ankle which was crushed in an accident back in '71.  I've got to keep my leg elevated so I'll spend the time working out how the nose wheel bay door/gravel deflector operating arms will look.

The extent that some people will go to get out of finishing a job... ;)  Get well soon mate.

Thanks Greg, I'm going to try to get this done inside the GB time, but at the moment the ankle is swelling up big time (I was told it might do this) and I have to elevate my leg. Which makes it kinda hard to make models ---  ::)
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 20, 2019, 04:09:58 AM
Not much done this last couple of days, I'm hobbling around on crutches after spending yesterday at the hospital having re-constructive surgery on my ankle which was crushed in an accident back in '71.  I've got to keep my leg elevated so I'll spend the time working out how the nose wheel bay door/gravel deflector operating arms will look.

The extent that some people will go to get out of finishing a job... ;)  Get well soon mate.

Thanks Greg, I'm going to try to get this done inside the GB time, but at the moment the ankle is swelling up big time (I was told it might do this) and I have to elevate my leg. Which makes it kinda hard to make models ---  ::)

Well slightly off topic   ;D
Coming along nicely one week later   :-\
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 23, 2019, 01:58:53 AM
This has not progressed very much at all these last few days, my mind is in a bit of a fog most of the time, something I was told could happen with the meds I was put on. Kills the pain pretty good, but then not much else gets done afterwards ----

I'll make an effort to get as much done as I can before the end of the GB though, this is a project I want to finish.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Robomog on June 23, 2019, 05:56:31 AM
Go for it kitnut !

I'm keen to see this on finished.

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Old Wombat on June 23, 2019, 07:32:13 AM
Self first, models second, compadre!
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Robomog on June 23, 2019, 08:38:33 AM
Fair comment, can't argue with that

Just giving some friendly encouragement

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on June 23, 2019, 11:22:13 AM
This has not progressed very much at all these last few days, my mind is in a bit of a fog most of the time, something I was told could happen with the meds I was put on. Kills the pain pretty good, but then not much else gets done afterwards ----

I'll make an effort to get as much done as I can before the end of the GB though, this is a project I want to finish.

I got off the opioids as soon as I could. They do mess with a person’s head after a while.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 23, 2019, 10:32:09 PM
Thanks guys, I have the post-op appointment on Wednesday so hopefully I get some good news ---
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Robomog on June 24, 2019, 05:46:19 AM
Self first, models second, compadre!

Sage words from OW,  wishing you a speedy recovery

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on June 24, 2019, 12:14:38 PM
Self first, models second, compadre!

Sage words from OW,  wishing you a speedy recovery

Mog
>^-.-^<

What they said!

Feel better soon!
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 24, 2019, 10:35:35 PM
Thanks again --- I'll have to admit, even though the surgeon explained what he was going to do, and how, and what the aftereffects could be, I still didn't really know what to expect in terms of how I feel with it now -- it's been an eye opener that's for sure. And the surgeon wants to talk to me about an ankle replacement ----  :icon_crap:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 28, 2019, 07:59:32 AM
The appointment went well, the surgeon was very pleased how the ankle has responded and recovered so far. I go to see him again in a couple of months.

On the project build side, I think I've nailed the blue colour ---- This is the result of the second coat I've trialed after sanding the first coat down then applying the second. I'll wet&dry sand it again and do another coat.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Old Wombat on June 28, 2019, 02:31:38 PM
Looks close but it's a bit hard to be sure with a shaded vs sunlit comparison. :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 28, 2019, 10:02:53 PM
Yes, when I first started to do this project I wasn't working at the airport (YYC), I did lots of image searches and what you see in the photos is all shades, ranging from a medium or almost pale blue to a blue that's almost a black/blue. But Canadian North have a hanger/charter terminal at YYC and during my time there, had the opportunity to get very close to their aircraft due to the nature of my job. Close being as in less than 50ft away. The shade when you can see it that close is what I'm trying to achieve, it has a chrome finish to the blue which is more like the Humbrol French Blue with a very shiny finish. I actually have the exact paint code for it that the maintenance manager sent me after I had written to Canadian North to see if they had a colour chip I could use to get some paint mixed. Using the code would be the correct way to go but there was a problem, I could only buy it in 5gal pails, with a minimum of a pallet of pails   :-\  (not sure how many pails that would be). Even with my plan on building a couple of 1/72 737s that they operated to go with this build, I'd be lucky if I used a quarter of a pint for all three   ;D

Here's another photo of a real one
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Kerick on June 28, 2019, 10:42:41 PM
Sometimes you just have to go with the Mk 1 eyeball. This has been a great project to see come together. I know the paint job will be great.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on June 29, 2019, 01:45:21 AM
I was thinking it might need to be lightened up, but then I took it outside as we have a glorious sunny day today. Low and behold, it changed shade in the sun and looks just like some of the real world photos of the scheme. RESULT!
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Robomog on June 29, 2019, 05:53:04 AM
I thought it looked pretty close in the pics

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 03, 2019, 07:13:47 AM
Major PSR session today, tomorrow's plan is to get some primer on the whole thing.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 04, 2019, 02:56:27 AM
Go kitnut, go!

As bad as Major PSR is, his superior, Col. Carpet Monster is worse.

I'll get me coat...
 ;D
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 04, 2019, 09:44:20 PM
Cheers Brian --- but rain has prevented me going outside to spray the primer on (my planned spray booth is not operational). And it's supposed to rain until Saturday --   :-X
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 15, 2019, 03:54:34 AM
I'm sorry everyone, but this hasn't been finished   :(   and it was going quite well too ---  :icon_crap:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 15, 2019, 04:16:10 AM
I'm sorry everyone, but this hasn't been finished   :(   and it was going quite well too ---  :icon_crap:


There is always the Clear your workbench GB (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?board=74.0)...
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Robomog on July 15, 2019, 05:56:00 AM
That's a real shame I was looking forward to this one.

Gtx_Admin's suggestion is recommended, it will give you six months to finish your airliner.

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 15, 2019, 07:06:21 AM
Well I was intending on finishing it, but it's nowhere near finished at the moment.

Greg, Jon --- could this be moved to the 'Clear your Workbench' GB please.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 15, 2019, 09:16:32 AM
@Robert/Kitnut617 - Moved topic per your request.--jjf
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on July 15, 2019, 10:05:53 PM
Thanks Jeff   :smiley:
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on December 18, 2019, 05:26:00 AM
This project has just ground to a halt, I'd like it moved into the aerospace physical section please mods. I will get back to it eventually but not right now.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 18, 2019, 06:02:37 AM
@Robert/Kitnut617 - Moved topic per your request.--jjf
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on December 18, 2019, 06:29:53 AM
Thanks Jeff, I appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Airbus A310/A400 Un-prepared Airfield Airliner
Post by: kitnut617 on March 02, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
This hasn't been forgotten ---