Shenyang J-8 Finback Ideas and Inspiration

[GTX_Admin]

Hi folks,

A thread for your Shenyang J-8 Ideas and Inspiration.

To begin with, I was looking at photo of one in the all white scheme and thought " what about that as a Canadian competitor to the AVRO Arrow?"

[elmayerle]

Well, a few thoughts occur to me:
- Inlet-mounted canards of decent size
- Reduced sweep outboard leading edges, much like the later F-7s; if done with a straight trailing edge, this could allow wingtip missile rails
- Single-engined version with one large engine (like that in the J-10 or so)
- Export multi-role version for Pakistan and others

[Daryl J.]

One of Trumpeter's J-8D's hit Ye Olde Oversyzed C'llection for the specific purposes of What If modeling.   

I was going to go the other direction rather than the usual where the Chinese copy and redevelop something Soviet. In this scenario, the Russians significantly redo the J-8 as a high speed interceptor.  Redo the tail shape into something rooskie-ish, two belly tanks, and two rather large and very fast looking missiles underwing.     It will be, for lack of a better illustration, an alternative Su-15 Flagon.   

[elmayerle]

One of Trumpeter's J-8D's hit Ye Olde Oversyzed C'llection for the specific purposes of What If modeling.   

I was going to go the other direction rather than the usual where the Chinese copy and redevelop something Soviet. In this scenario, the Russians significantly redo the J-8 as a high speed interceptor.  Redo the tail shape into something rooskie-ish, two belly tanks, and two rather large and very fast looking missiles underwing.     It will be, for lack of a better illustration, an alternative Su-15 Flagon.   

Perhaps a pair of R-33's, as fitted underneath MiG-31s, under the wings?  With smaller, shorter-range, AAM's outboard of them?

[Daryl J.]

Perhaps a pair of R-33's, as fitted underneath MiG-31s, under the wings?  With smaller, shorter-range, AAM's outboard of them?

Yes.  Precisely.   

[jcf]

 Seeing as it is more or less a Chinese continuation of the twin-engined MiG Ye-152A/Mig-23 Flipper concept, basically an enlarged Mig 21, why not give it big-ass wingtip mounted missiles ala the Ye-152M?

[Daryl J.]

The Flipper??   I'd never quite put that together.   

That give some food for thought................   

[GTX_Admin]

Does anyone produce a 1/48 kit of the J-8 Finback-A?

[kitnut617]

My copy of PAK-20 says yes, a Chinese company called 'AA', kit numbers 48004 & 48005 (this one is a 2nd generation Finback). Started in 1999 and the book says maybe ex-Minicraft although I can only find Mig-21's in that list,


which Hannants stock apparently

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?manufacturer_id=7868

But then again, isn't that a J-7 ?

[ChernayaAkula]

Well, a few thoughts occur to me:
- Inlet-mounted canards of decent size
- Reduced sweep outboard leading edges, much like the later F-7s; if done with a straight trailing edge, this could allow wingtip missile rails
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Sounds good.  :) Looks good, too, I think.

[GTX_Admin]

My copy of PAK-20 says yes, a Chinese company called 'AA', kit numbers 48004 & 48005 (this one is a 2nd generation Finback). Started in 1999 and the book says maybe ex-Minicraft although I can only find Mig-21's in that list,


which Hannants stock apparently

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?manufacturer_id=7868

But then again, isn't that a J-7 ?

I think AA only produce the version with the side intakes and not the original version with the nose intake.

[Weaver]

The canards and double delta wing look good.  :)

A further tweek might be to have fixed F-18 style strakes above each intake, which would improve their high AOA performance, and mount the canards to those, which would have the advantage of putting them on a longer moment arm relative to the C of G.

As a Western 1960s interceptor (i.e. the Canadian Arrow-competitor idea) you could give it a two-seat cockpit, with a RIO in the rear seat. Looks like there's plenty of room, and a Tornado canopy should be about right. Alternatively, a 2-seat Su-15 one would also be about right, and you could always plunder the cheap PM kit for one of those.

How about fitting it with a big, tailless delta or double-delta wing, possibly a second seat, and British missiles, and passing it off as a Fairey-designed interceptor that evolved from the FD.2?

[jcf]

Anything done to the Su 15 could be applied to the J-8II.

[Daryl J.]

Good to know.

[ChernayaAkula]

Stealthy Finback, anyone?




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