Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration

[arkon]

everyone knows if it looks cool it will go faster, same as if you paint it red.......just ask the orks.

[elmayerle]

What advantage would the F-105-style intakes offer?   Apart from the handsome rakish cosmetic value that is.

Well, it's a variable inlet as opposed to the plain pitot inlet the Draken has.  Beyond that, yes, it definitely has aesthetic appeal.

[Daryl J.]

  Google was not my friend. 

Is there a list of nations SAAB/Sweden tried to sell the Draken to? 

[GTX_Admin]

Can't give you a list that they tried to sell to, but here is some info on those who showed interest:

Switzerland:  When Switzerland cancelled its P-16 in 1958 they started looking around for a possible purchase. Draken and Mirage III were the main alternatives, in 1961 they choose Mirage. The Swiss variant would have been designated 35H.

Venezuela:  In 1966 Venezuela showed some interest in 35XV which was an export version of J 35D. Lightning and Mirage III were also considered in 1971 and USA pushed F-5 when they put out a tender and were offered six 35G1 which were identical to J 35F, six 35G2 which were 35XD without the extra internal fuel, two 35GT two seat trainers and 24 105G which were the same as the Austrian Saab 105OEs. (Later adjusted to 15 Draken and 15 105s.) The Venezualan air force preferred Draken, but was well aware of the problem of getting US export approval of the Falcon missile and associated systems and thus recommended the government to go for Mirage. Additionally, there were apparently problems with getting Swedish political approval for an export, so the attempts at selling Saab 105 when Draken was out also failed.

Chile: Around 1971 a sale of 16 A 35X and 16 Saab 105 to Chile was discussed. Some say Draken was out of the game early, some that it was at the same time as Saab 105, in 1973 at the time of the coup.

Singapore:  Singapore asked for some information around 1978 but didn't have lots of interest.

Australia:  The Draken was in contention for the same contest that the Mirage III won.

[GTX_Admin]

A Draken in this scheme would be quite attractive:

[elmayerle]

Can't give you a list that they tried to sell to, but here is some info on those who showed interest:

Switzerland:  When Switzerland cancelled its P-16 in 1958 they started looking around for a possible purchase. Draken and Mirage III were the main alternatives, in 1961 they choose Mirage. The Swiss variant would have been designated 35H.

And then they ended up putting the Draken avionics and missiles with their Mirages (ISTR that they are the only nation that used a Falcon missile variant on the Mirage).

[Rickshaw]

They ended up putting the Draken avionics and missiles with their Mirages (ISTR that they are the only nation that used a Falcon missile variant on the Mirage).

Not quite.  They added US missiles to a French aircraft and the result was not a marriage made in heaven by all accounts.  The missiles did not want to play with the French radar (or vice-a-versa).  I've never quite understand why they went with the Falcon.  It was not a terribly reliable missile, in either it's radar or IR guided versions and was much better suited to being used against bombers rather than fighters in a dogfight (as the USAF discovered in Vietnam).  IIRC it took them an inordinate amount of time to get them working.  I've often wondered about that decision and I've often wondered if the Swedes had a similar experience with the Falcon?

[Weaver]

They ended up putting the Draken avionics and missiles with their Mirages (ISTR that they are the only nation that used a Falcon missile variant on the Mirage).

Not quite.  They added US missiles to a French aircraft and the result was not a marriage made in heaven by all accounts.  The missiles did not want to play with the French radar (or vice-a-versa).  I've never quite understand why they went with the Falcon.  It was not a terribly reliable missile, in either it's radar or IR guided versions and was much better suited to being used against bombers rather than fighters in a dogfight (as the USAF discovered in Vietnam).  IIRC it took them an inordinate amount of time to get them working.  I've often wondered about that decision and I've often wondered if the Swedes had a similar experience with the Falcon?

Not quite. They Swiss Mirages had a complete American radar and fire control system (Hughes Taran 18) as well as Falcon and lots of other modifications as well. It was the sum total of all these changes that ramped up the timescale and cost. The Draken would still have needed some of these mods, but probably fewer of them.

The Wikipedia article on the Mirage sums it up quite nicely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_III

[apophenia]

According to Flight, the Ferranti Airpass II was the competing radar to the winning TARAN-1 set. I assume that Saab was also offering Airpass for Swiss Drakens. (BTW, Airpass was also proposed by Dassault for the Mirage III-O).
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1962/1962%20-%200077.html

[ysi_maniac]

Nose intake Draken

[GTX_Admin]

 :)

[ysi_maniac]

SAAB P.1250: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1177.msg43452.html#msg43452

[mrvr6]

Perfect

[mrvr6]

[GTX_Admin]

Interesting.  More details?

[mrvr6]

Interesting.  More details?

looked a simple project to make a twin engined draken it was actually a bugger to get it right.
engines and top rear fuse are from a rafale and the lower fuse is actually an upper fuse from a tornado.
it took plenty of scratch building and putty to get it looking something like.
im happy witht the result it looks good

the build is for a whif gb ww2 went from 44-55 ish iv also make a twin engined spit a delta lightning and im working on a 3 engined spit with 8x20mm cannons in the nose/inner wings

[Daryl J.]

Rumor has it the newly released Eduard MiG-21R has 3 different recce pods.

It will be interesting to see if one will fit beneath Hasegawa's Draken.   The machine I have in mind for Khemed was to have podded recce equipment vs the RF-35 because what I want to present would be in theory a cobbled together MRCA.   The blend of East and West works for the area and time frame well IMHO if the pod fits.

[upnorth]

You know, I'm thinking a Draken in SAAF markings and "Sand and Spinach" camo would look real nice.....

[Diavel]

Another slightly modified Draken designed to intercept UFO's.



Chris.

[RAFF-35]

There's this beauty from whatifmodelers.com which I fully intend to recreate at some point;
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37074.0.html

[ysi_maniac]

Some Draken studies. First one tempts me.

[taiidantomcat]

Love the F-16!

[ysi_maniac]

More J-35 Draken

[Weaver]

Some Draken studies. First one tempts me.

Hope you don't mind, but I was inspired to rearrange the third one:

[ysi_maniac]

Draken Fish