Author Topic: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration (Read 19080 times)

JoseFern · « **on:** July 25, 2012, 09:12:17 PM »

Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration

M.A.D · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2012, 10:21:48 PM »

Very clever!!!

Hats off to you!!

M.A.D

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2012, 02:28:09 AM »

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2012, 02:49:18 AM »

Some advanced Export Victors John did for me a while back. All crew would have ejection seats + there are uprated engines, external bomb pods and tail gun:

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2012, 04:02:52 AM »

One more from Sir John .... D-21 Mothership

Maverick · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2012, 07:18:34 AM »

A couple of others:

Regards,

John

tsrjoe · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2012, 05:29:42 PM »

that Luftwaffe Victor looks soo right, love the low vis markings too

cheers, Joe

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2012, 03:42:47 AM »

Original line work for Victor B.21:

ChrisF · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2013, 07:11:06 AM »

Ok i think im in the right place... Ive got a silly question... Would i be right in my calculations saying that a 1:144th Victor would be 243mm long ?

Im trying to decide weather i can fit the Anigrand kit in my cabinet before shelling out that kind of money...

Cliffy B · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2013, 07:15:11 AM »

Wiki states its length at 115' so that would be 35052mm in 1/1 and 243.42 mm in 1/144 so yeah, you're right. Will it fit?

So what do you have planned for the beast?

ChrisF · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2013, 08:45:06 AM »

1:700 !?!?

Nothin tooo clever i just have a Op Granby Tornado in there already and a Jag in the pipework... The only british plane left from Desert Storm would be a Victor... I knew 1:72nd ( Like the other models) wouldnt fit and ya cant find the revell and matchbox kits easily anyway... But the 1:144th should fit by my calculations quite nicely

Im planning a Op Granby shelf in there basically :)

Cliffy B · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2013, 08:52:20 AM »

Whoops!!!! I was scaling a bunch of ship drawings at the time, sorry $:-\$

Neat, can't wait to see it.

Volkodav · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2013, 06:50:53 PM »

A bit off topic but I have always thought a HP Victor would have made an interesting and in my opinion cool patrol bomber come MPA.

Dr. YoKai · « **Reply #13 on:** May 02, 2013, 04:50:08 AM »

I have a just-started ( two or three years ago ) project using the old Lindberg Victor ( which I think
is about 1/96th ) for another 'Shado 1960' build. It uses a pair of rockets in the wings, and is armed
with a re-scaled 'mini-polaris'* firing through a roof hatch along the lines of some Soviet cruise missile
subs like the Echo class, or the more recent Oscars. I'm thinking of adding a large rocket engine
to the aft end, but I really like the taper of the tail cone.

* A 1/144th scale model from the recently re-issued US/USSR Missile set.

upnorth · « **Reply #14 on:** May 02, 2013, 01:16:35 PM »

When I look at the Victor from the side, it just screams out to be an amphibian.

It looks like it was started with the intent to have a planing hull, but then someone changed their mind and the specs along the way somewhere.

It's not that far off in looks from a Martin Sea Master if you think about it.

finsrin · « **Reply #15 on:** May 02, 2013, 01:48:10 PM »

Very observant :)
Anphibian-Seamaster elements are there !

Daryl J. · « **Reply #16 on:** May 16, 2013, 10:37:18 AM »

The strange side of me has always seen the Victor as looking a bit like a ling cod with flying surfaces. And yes, someday, I'd love to make a submarine using the Victor and that ugly deep sea fish as the basis and inspiration for a build. $:-\$

But if I had to build a Victor, it would be USAF SEA green/green/tan/black.

raafif · « **Reply #17 on:** December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM »

this design lost out to Short's Belfast

Rickshaw · « **Reply #18 on:** December 29, 2014, 08:49:13 PM »

Mmm, move the wings to the top of the fuselage, put the undercarriage in side bulges for the fuselage....

kitnut617 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 29, 2014, 11:15:49 PM »

Quote from: raafif on December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM

this design lost out to Short's Belfast

There's only one thing wrong with that graphic, the HP111 didn't have flat sides to the fuselage, it was dead round and 15 feet in diameter.

Kerick · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2014, 02:36:36 AM »

Some one did a flying boat version of a Victor, Can't remember who.

Found it!
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35740.30.html
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/sv21.jpg

Rickshaw · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2014, 09:58:29 AM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on December 29, 2014, 11:15:49 PM

Quote from: raafif on December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
this design lost out to Short's Belfast

There's only one thing wrong with that graphic, the HP111 didn't have flat sides to the fuselage, it was dead round and 15 feet in diameter.

So, which civil airliner do you suggest as a fuselage for it?

finsrin · « **Reply #22 on:** December 30, 2014, 11:34:58 AM »

Much as flyingboat Victor build is cool

Top side intakes, excellent water diorama and all.
I wonder what it does if RW jet?
SAR mission with upper side opening doors?
Drop rafts and survival stuff out of sides?

kitnut617 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 30, 2014, 11:53:23 PM »

Quote from: Rickshaw on December 30, 2014, 09:58:29 AM

Quote from: kitnut617 on December 29, 2014, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: raafif on December 29, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
this design lost out to Short's Belfast

There's only one thing wrong with that graphic, the HP111 didn't have flat sides to the fuselage, it was dead round and 15 feet in diameter.

So, which civil airliner do you suggest as a fuselage for it?

Not sure, the shape of the fuselage looks like the genesis for the Airbus A310/330 line, except it's 30" smaller in diameter (15'-0 as opposed to 17'-6"). Can't think of another --- 767 is closer in diameter (16'-0"), wrong nose and tail profile shapes though --

Rickshaw · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2015, 12:35:24 PM »

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2015, 01:06:35 PM »

That looks like an ekranoplan.

Rickshaw · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2015, 04:46:49 PM »

And now found in plastic by Thorvic over at What-If:

finsrin · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2015, 05:07:33 PM »

Looks so correct as it should be.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2015, 11:36:20 PM »

Now what did he use for a fuselage ---

EDIT (later): Couldn't find his thread on the What-If forum but found something on the Secret Projects one.

He used an E3 fuselage and then built it out with styrene strips $:-\$ he had to add nearly 1/2" to the diameter --- it must weigh a ton --

Rickshaw · « **Reply #29 on:** January 12, 2015, 08:34:50 AM »

I found the photos in the 2008 Whiffies awards thread (by chance). I could find a build thread. I've no idea what he used but it seems to have worked.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 12, 2015, 09:16:39 PM »

I PM'd him and he replied to where his build is on the What-If, he called it a Handley Page Harrowgate

Rickshaw · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2015, 02:36:46 PM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on January 12, 2015, 09:16:39 PM

I PM'd him and he replied to where his build is on the What-If, he called it a Handley Page Harrowgate

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,17329.0.html ? All the pictures are gone.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #32 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:31:53 PM »

Has anyone done any scale-o-rama-ing of the wings from either the 1/96 Lindberg or the 1/144 Great Wall kits to built a 1/72 fighter? Thx.

jcf · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2015, 02:09:09 AM »

Quote from: The Big Gimper on February 16, 2015, 11:31:53 PM

Has anyone done any scale-o-rama-ing of the wings from either the 1/96 Lindberg or the 1/144 Great Wall kits to built a 1/72 fighter? Thx.

Yeah, Handley-Page did.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/hp88.html

Well, yes the H.P. 88 wasn't a fighter, although it did use an Attacker fuselage and the wings/tail were 40% of full-size rather
than the 50% of a 1/144 to 1/72 scale-o-rama or the 75% of 1/96 to 1/72.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2015, 02:50:27 AM »

finsrin · « **Reply #35 on:** February 17, 2015, 02:59:18 AM »

Related: quick fit of 1/72 Mach2 Valiant wings top half to KC-97 fuselage.
see attached

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #36 on:** April 01, 2017, 05:26:20 AM »

Some interesting (I hope) bits and pieces related to the Victor:

Proposed crew escape capsule:

Wing bomb containers (note there were proposals for containers under the engines and in the same place as the B.2's fuel pods):

In the late 1950s, Handley-Page put forward a proposal to increase the installed thrust (and hence MTOW) in Victor B.Mk1/1A by adding two booster turbojets in over wing nacelles with intake-doors, to be used for take-off and initial climb. Bristol Orpheus, Rolls-Royce RB-162 and Armstrong-Siddeley Viper were considered:

Finally, I did find the following intriguing comment in the Ministry of Supply's Specification (No. B. 128 P - reprint from 1 Sep 1954 incorporating amendment 1 - 6):

"Tail Armament

4.07 Deleted by Amendment No.4."

I wonder - did the original specifications (at least up to Amendment No.4), include a tail gun?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #37 on:** April 01, 2017, 05:30:17 AM »

And just a couple of inspirational images- note that you can get resin copies of the Spectre rockets shown:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #38 on:** April 01, 2017, 05:32:05 AM »

And some other ideas:

finsrin · « **Reply #39 on:** April 01, 2017, 06:37:43 AM »

Regarding the Victor. Saw a Japanese SciFi movie where USSR was flying Victors !

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2020, 01:12:44 AM »

Saw on Facebook. Taken from a Secret Projects books but not sure which copy. Not in mine.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #41 on:** January 19, 2020, 01:28:00 AM »

kitnut617 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 19, 2020, 01:51:32 AM »

That has to be in the latest edition Carl, those particular drawings are not in the issue I have. But there is a small 3-view of it on page 48.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #43 on:** August 23, 2020, 07:33:06 AM »

Finsrin originally posted this idea in February 2015. Now that I ready to donate my Matchbox K.2 version, I started with a 2D representation.

This design is predicated on the following alt-history events and aircraft design principles.

Alt-history

DH Comet late or non-existent
B707 late or non-existent
Avro Jetliner late or non-existent

Design principles

BFA - Brute Force Aerodynamics
BFE - Big Friggen' Engines
BFW - Big Friggen' wings
TAC - T-tails are the coolest
YCNHTMF - You Can Never Have Too Much Fuel

Wings may not be to scale but are very close.

With the above alt-history conditions HP saw an opportunity to build a long-range pressurized passenger aircraft for the commercial market and the RAF.

Using the proven pressurized fuselage design of the B-29/B377 family and the wings from Victor V-bomber, HP was able to quickly put together (some say slapped) a reliable and comfortable (maybe not) ride to most continents. The wing tip tank (not shown) and optional oversized fuel tanks gave the Hyperion C.1 a range of over 10,000 Miles. Speed was not a critical design requirement. After all the cargo, I mean passengers, had no say in the matter.

This design is similar to the HP.80, HP.96 and HP.97

HP-Hyperion-C.1-v1 by Big Gimper, on Flickr

C.1A with 13' extension

HP-Hyperion-C.1A-v1 by Big Gimper, on Flickr

finsrin · « **Reply #44 on:** August 24, 2020, 11:32:08 AM »

Profile is super. Be worthy build and eyecatcher done in styrene. All parts available in 1/72.

apophenia · « **Reply #45 on:** August 25, 2020, 03:47:35 AM »

Very nice! And for the Hyperion C.1A, an additional design principle: LFER (Lengthy Fuselage Extensions Rock!)

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #46 on:** April 14, 2021, 02:58:47 AM »

Passenger versions of H.P. Victor, militar and civil. :mellow:

Note that this would be an almost global range liner. :thumbsup:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 14, 2021, 08:01:15 AM »

Erm!!!!

raafif · « **Reply #48 on:** January 28, 2022, 07:51:19 AM »

wondered what a Victor Phase 4 would look like with different cockpit setups ...

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Author Topic: Handley Page Victor Ideas and Inspiration (Read 19080 times)