Author Topic: AVRO Lancaster, Manchester, Lincoln and Shackleton (and derivatives) Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 86322 times)

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Seafords?

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Lanc painted with four sharkmouths (Canadian, I believe):



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It is the CWH Mynarski Lancaster. They will add temporary markings via decals to recognize other A/C and airmen.
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Offline elmayerle

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Does anyone know if any squadron's Lancasters besides those of 617 Squadron were fitted out to carry Tallboy bombs?  Gregory Benford's The Berlin Project has an RAF Lancaster so fitted out, and with a mixed RAF - USAAF crew, dropping a "Little Boy" on Berlin early on the morning of June 6, 1944.  They miss the "amateur painter" but severe enough other connections that the landings and initial moves inland go quite successfully; then things get nasty.

I ask because the US bomb was designed for the same shackles and spacing (found that out at Silver Hill when we visited the Enola gay restoration) as Tallboy.
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Does anyone know if any squadron's Lancasters besides those of 617 Squadron were fitted out to carry Tallboy bombs?  Gregory Benford's The Berlin Project has an RAF Lancaster so fitted out, and with a mixed RAF - USAAF crew, dropping a "Little Boy" on Berlin early on the morning of June 6, 1944.  They miss the "amateur painter" but severe enough other connections that the landings and initial moves inland go quite successfully; then things get nasty.

I ask because the US bomb was designed for the same shackles and spacing (found that out at Silver Hill when we visited the Enola gay restoration) as Tallboy.

9 Squadron was also equipped to carry Tallboys.   An aircraft from 9 Squadron is attributed with the sinking of the Tirpitz in Norway.

Offline kitnut617

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Does anyone know if any squadron's Lancasters besides those of 617 Squadron were fitted out to carry Tallboy bombs?  Gregory Benford's The Berlin Project has an RAF Lancaster so fitted out, and with a mixed RAF - USAAF crew, dropping a "Little Boy" on Berlin early on the morning of June 6, 1944.  They miss the "amateur painter" but severe enough other connections that the landings and initial moves inland go quite successfully; then things get nasty.

I ask because the US bomb was designed for the same shackles and spacing (found that out at Silver Hill when we visited the Enola gay restoration) as Tallboy.

9 Squadron was also equipped to carry Tallboys.   An aircraft from 9 Squadron is attributed with the sinking of the Tirpitz in Norway.

In the book 'Ruin from the Air', it mentions that the USAAF contemplated using the Lancaster for the A-Bombs. The bit the killed the idea was it couldn't get high enough, something that was a problem while Lancasters were dropping Tallboys and Grand Slams. The B-29 when tested with them was able to get to the bomb's design height for maximum effect.

My Dad who served in 617 Sqn while they were using the big bombs, told me that before the Grand Slam was used operationally, they dropped the Tallboy. Once the Grand Slam was in use, the Tallboys were dropped by 9 Sqn.  They also flew in mixed formations to the various targets.
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Random idea:  Transport version (ala Lancastrian or York) of Manchester.
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Not a Manchester transport but I've been playing with the idea of a Super York. Lincoln or Shackleton wing/engine combo, lengthened fuselage and tricycle u/c

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Something different:

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Kitnut, are you re-inventing the AVRO Tudor?

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Kitnut, are you re-inventing the AVRO Tudor?

Nothing of the sort, it will look like a stretched York on tri-gear

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Kitnut, are you re-inventing the AVRO Tudor?

Nothing of the sort, it will look like a stretched York on tri-gear
So, on tri-gear but still un pressurized?

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Kitnut, are you re-inventing the AVRO Tudor?

Nothing of the sort, it will look like a stretched York on tri-gear
So, on tri-gear but still un pressurized?

Yup!, basically the idea is if the York was on tri-gear, the underside of the rear fuselage could then be made to have a loading ramp. The profile of it just begs for something like this. The fuselage being stretched would then allow for more freight. I'm thinking of Shackleton style main gear, but then maybe they used a B-24 nose gear or something similar (plenty of those around at the time). What I'd do is have a new fuselage section right where the wing is that was straight, then where the curving up underside of the fuselage starts going forward and backward would then be added to the front and back of the new straight section.
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Kitnut, are you re-inventing the AVRO Tudor?

Nothing of the sort, it will look like a stretched York on tri-gear
So, on tri-gear but still un pressurized?

Yup!, basically the idea is if the York was on tri-gear, the underside of the rear fuselage could then be made to have a loading ramp. The profile of it just begs for something like this. The fuselage being stretched would then allow for more freight. I'm thinking of Shackleton style main gear, but then maybe they used a B-24 nose gear or something similar (plenty of those around at the time). What I'd do is have a new fuselage section right where the wing is that was straight, then where the curving up underside of the fuselage starts going forward and backward would then be added to the front and back of the new straight section.

Spats like the Miles M.40/41.  ;D

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It's starting to sound like a baby Beverly.

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Spats like the Miles M.40/41.  ;D



I haven't seen that one before Jon, that looks quite good   :)
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Lancaster and Stirling interchange tails.


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Interesting idea
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Single tail Lancaster


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Interesting idea, however it's way too small. Take a look at what was done to convert the B-24/PB4Y-1 to the PB4Y-2,
the Lancaster would require a similar approach.
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Interesting idea, however it's way too small. Take a look at what was done to convert the B-24/PB4Y-1 to the PB4Y-2,
the Lancaster would require a similar approach.

Yes it would.  Best check height of your hanger doors for tall tail clearance. 
Understand that tail height is behind why Constellation has three tails.  Read about that back when.
Wonder --- that a factor for B-52 G&H flat top tails ?

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There are claims the triple tails of the Constellation were inspired by the triple tails of its erstwhile competitor, the DC-4E.

As for the vertical tails on the B-52G/H, I think they went with a wider chord and a lower height to simplify matters as the shorter and wider tail would also be stronger.  If it allowed the aircraft into more hangers, so much the better.

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The B-52 went to shorter, broader tails when they changed to lower altitude operations. The taller tails turned out to be vulnerable to gusting and turbulence. This is also why the F-111 went with a flatter profile tail, instead of the taller type used on the B-58.