Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: jcf on September 19, 2012, 07:32:15 AM
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A thread for ideas relating to the above listed critters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShinMaywa)
Whiff airtanker WIP on the What-If section of the new Airtankers forum:
http://airtankersinscale.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fiction&action=display&thread=22 (http://airtankersinscale.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fiction&action=display&thread=22)
3-view of a schemed but not built passenger variant, from Der Flieger 12/1972:
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/SM_SS-2_PASS_01_zps3078b840.png)
The same issue of Der Flieger has a very nice multi-view drawing of the PS-1 that I will scan later.
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Four A400 engines. Would be just right !
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Does anyone produce a kit of these?
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that Hasegawa did? Might be something I'd be interested in at some point if so.
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that Hasegawa did? Might be something I'd be interested in at some point if so.
Fuji in 1/240 (http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=175917).
Hasegawa in 1/72 (http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=165678);
9 for sale on eBay
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There is also one of those Gashapon or collectors kits of this amphibian out for a few years now. Pre-painted toy but very detailed.
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Shinmaywa's pretty good website on their product:
http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/guide/us2_index.htm (http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/guide/us2_index.htm)
The Hasegawa kit dates from the '70s and was produced in both the flying boat
and amphibian versions. The kit is very good in outline and the level of detail
and raised panel lines reflect its age, both of which are IMHO non-issues.
;)
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Shinmaywa's pretty good website on their product:
[url]http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/guide/us2_index.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/guide/us2_index.htm[/url])
The Hasegawa kit dates from the '70s and was produced in both the flying boat
and amphibian versions. The kit is very good in outline and the level of detail
and raised panel lines reflect its age, both of which are IMHO non-issues.
;)
RPL are only an issue with people that like to complain about something where there is nothing to really complain about. :)
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With a surplus of PS-1 and US-1/US-2 kits in the stash I am always interested in alternatives to what is in the box.
How about a fire fighting tanker?
U.S. Navy ASW patrol aircraft as a replacement for the P-5 Marlin?
US Coast Guard SAR/WOD aircraft?
The Hasegawa P-5 Marlin kit provides markings for a French Navy Marlin so it would be easy enough to "convert" with different decals for an aircraft that was almost the same physical size.
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A firefighting conversion was tested in the mid-70s and it is an option on the current version of the US-2:
http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/guide/us2_fire.htm (http://www.shinmaywa.co.jp/english/guide/us2_fire.htm)
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I think I have three kicking around. I was thinking of a passenger variant, or maybe a firefighter replacement for the CL-415s. AWACs would be interesting as well.
Queen Charolette Airlines would have been my airline of choice for it. Hey, they flew Stranraers, so why not these?
Alvis 3.1
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I would love to see a profile of a RAAF PS-1 in the ASW/MP role!! ;)
P.S. I'm sure Grumman had a licence to produce this aircraft!!
M.A.D
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I would love to see a profile of a RAAF PS-1 in the ASW/MP role!! ;)
P.S. I'm sure Grumman had a licence to produce this aircraft!!
M.A.D
I am with you there. :)
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Perhaps a modern update with engines and propellers in common with upgraded E-2s in Japanese service (I think upgraded Japanese E-2s are whif for now)?
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The current US-2 is a modern, upgraded aircraft, development started in 1996, first flight was in 2003.
The engines are R-R AE2100J turning six-blade Dowty R414 props.
Four are in service in Japan, a fifth has been delivered and a sixth budgeted. They are also competing
for an Indian Navy requirement for nine SAR amphibians.
(http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2013-1/9/260518.jpg)
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So lovely. I'm so happy the day of the military flying boat isn't QUITE over.
Cheers,
Logan
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Jon, Are they comparable in size with a Tradewind?
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The current US-2 is a modern, upgraded aircraft, development started in 1996, first flight was in 2003.
The engines are R-R AE2100J turning six-blade Dowty R414 props.
Four are in service in Japan, a fifth has been delivered and a sixth budgeted. They are also competing
for an Indian Navy requirement for nine SAR amphibians.
Okay, they are essentially using C-130J engines and propellers; I wonder if they'll similarly upgrade their P-3s for commonality?
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The current US-2 is a modern, upgraded aircraft, development started in 1996, first flight was in 2003.
The engines are R-R AE2100J turning six-blade Dowty R414 props.
Four are in service in Japan, a fifth has been delivered and a sixth budgeted. They are also competing
for an Indian Navy requirement for nine SAR amphibians.
Okay, they are essentially using C-130J engines and propellers; I wonder if they'll similarly upgrade their P-3s for commonality?
After the problems with the engine change on the C-130J, I understand LM have been extremely reluctant to do similar with the P-3.
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The current US-2 is a modern, upgraded aircraft, development started in 1996, first flight was in 2003.
The engines are R-R AE2100J turning six-blade Dowty R414 props.
Four are in service in Japan, a fifth has been delivered and a sixth budgeted. They are also competing
for an Indian Navy requirement for nine SAR amphibians.
This A/C needs to be added to the: " Mr. Manufacturer, would you please make this kit" list. It would look awesome parked beside an A400M, C-130J and an AN-70.
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Robert, the SS-2 in its various forms is about 75% the size of the R3Y.
Carl, the old Hasegawa kit could be modified into the current version.
p.s. for folks that don't know, Shin Meiwa/Shinaywa is the former Kawanishi company
who made the large flying boats for the IJN in the '30s and '40s.
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Thanks Jon, I was wondering because I've read somewhere that Carlson Flying Tankers is looking at converting some C-130H's into water bombers (I think the Mars is to be retired) and as I've now got a 1/72 kit of the Tradewind and Mars, found they're about the same size. So as there's this big flying boat commercially available right now, I wondered why Coulson didn't go this route for a new tanker.
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So as there's this big flying boat commercially available right now, I wondered why Coulson didn't go this route for a new tanker.
Because they're ridiculously expensive. It's the same reason why most bush operators don't replace their old C-46s and C-47s with perfectly viable CN-235s. They're cost-prohibitive. Many of these operators are working with little profit margin and frightening insurance premiums as it is. Now increase the purchase price and replacement value by a factor of 10 or more for an asset that does almost the same job.
I'm with you. I love the US-2. I'd love to see a dozen more operators of it. I think it'd be a great firebomber and a worthy replacement for the Mars. That said, I don't think it's too viable.
Cheers,
Logan
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(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/photo_zps810fb6ef.png)
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http://youtu.be/7mqL_lgE5OE (http://youtu.be/7mqL_lgE5OE)
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I could the RAAF operating them out of Far North Queensland or the North West.
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I could the RAAF operating them out of Far North Queensland or the North West.
RAAF Base Whitsunday ;)
(http://www.adventuredownunder.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/croppedimage610396-Whitsunday-Islands.jpg)
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After re-watching "The Straits" on ABC-1 I was thinking more Zey Island. ;D
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I could the RAAF operating them out of Far North Queensland or the North West.
RAAF Base Whitsunday ;)
([url]http://www.adventuredownunder.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/croppedimage610396-Whitsunday-Islands.jpg[/url])
Its hard enough to get a full days work out of the uniformed public service as it is, build a base there and nothing would ever get done ;D
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I see that Japan is actually getting a foreign sale of these, India is looking to buy a significant number of them for maritime patrol purposes. Be interesting to see what color schemes they show up in. This leads to thoughts of exports to other nations with lots of ocean to patrol (USN markings for a VP squadron, anyone?).
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Cross post from another thread:
There's a lot of chatter among Kiwi enthusiasts about the Hercules and Orion possibly being replaced (moreso the Orion). Relevant to this thread is this post by one of the Wings Over New Zealand forum members:
I remember the talk of a search for a suitable aircraft while I was at school, before I joined the BES in '64, there was talk of trying to find a flying boat as well as the C-130, I think even the Shackelton was mentioned. A maritime Herc today would be a different bird than 50 years ago.
An RNZAF Shackleton, replacing the Sunderland instead of the Orion. I really, really like this idea, even though the type would be considered obsolete by 1966 (real-world Orion acquisition). Maybe we buy them ten years earlier, and they end up in Orion-style white-over-grey later on...
I was already going to buy at least one Airfix Shack. Make that two.
Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?
I would imagine a RNZAF Flying Boat replacement for the Sunderland in that timeframe would have to be satisfied by the Shin Meiwa US-1A. Maybe a version with T56 engines instead of the T58s thus allowing commonality with the C-130s and P-3s.
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The problem with the Shin Meiwa in place of the P-3 for the Kiwis is time, they got the first of their Orions
in 1966, the PS-X prototype for the PS-1 didn't fly until 1967 and deliveries didn't actually start until 1971, and
the US-1A variant prototype didn't fly until 1974.
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Bah...facts!!! ;)
Let's maybe say they develop something of their own along those lines...maybe with Lockheed?
Or better yet, maybe the RNZAF adds in the US-1 in the early - mid '70s as an adjunct to their Orions.
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An early collaboration between Lockheed and Martin? A prop-powered successor to the P5M using Hercules wings and L-188/P3V engine nacelles and installation?
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Would NZ have been as rabidly anti-Japanese as Australia was at the time?
Besides that I agree it would have been an interesting option. Maybe you could have Short completing the initial Short Seaford order of thirty and NZ acquiring a number of them which could conceivably last until the US-1 becomes available?
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Would NZ have been as rabidly anti-Japanese as Australia was at the time?
Some sections of Australian society, most notably the RSL were rabidly anti-Japanese but the majority of our society was starting to change. Personally, I put it down to the advent of TV and the showing of Japanese kids' TV shows such a "Shintaro" and "Secret Samurai". It was interesting to see how attitudes were changing in general. Japan was starting to seen as a new market and a source of investment. I remember though, the RSL blocking the purchase of Toyota Landcruisers over Landrovers in the late 1970s, despite the Landcruiser being cheaper and in many ways a better vehicle.
I'd assume that the Kiwis were much less anti-Japanese. Having been less involved in the war against Japan, than the war against Italy and Germany, they would not have had the personal involvement than Australia had in the PoW issue and the hysterical fear of the "Yellow Peril" from Asia. I knew of old diggers who refused to purchase anything made in Japan. I served with a fellow digger whose family had suffered a PoW and who'd hear nothing good about Japan or Japanese.
I think a landing boat is a great idea for the RNZAF in this period. With their responsibilities in the South Pacific, where runways were relatively rare and few it would be an ideal solution. Martin Marlins though were more likely IMHO than either Shackleton or Shin Mewai.
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Just a cool photo:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/9905-_PlanespottersNet_335459.jpg)
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Random idea: AEW variant
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Gunship to fight pirates!
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Would NZ have been as rabidly anti-Japanese as Australia was at the time?
I knew of old diggers who refused to purchase anything made in Japan. I served with a fellow digger whose family had suffered a PoW and who'd hear nothing good about Japan or Japanese.
Ironically my mothers uncle was a POW at Changi and felt no malice towards the Japanese at all, though he wasn't a fan of Bennet. His greatest regret was pre-war he had been a missionary in New Guinea and had intimate knowledge of a number of areas and local languages including around the Fly River, his concern was more to the lives his knowledge could have saved. When he returned to New Guinea after the war he was presented with all his personal belongings the local people had hidden and kept safe from both the Japanese and allies for the duration.
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Ironically my mothers uncle was a POW at Changi and felt no malice towards the Japanese at all
Interestingly I have heard similar stories a number of times: those who were directly impacted/involved holding no malice and yet those who were not (sometimes not even in combat), holding all sorts of hatreds...makes you think.
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Shin Meiwa PS-X STOL Flying Boat video at YouTube: ------> https://youtu.be/oh8mn0DeKSs
Historical video covering the design and development of the PS-1 Flying Boat with some good scenes of the retractable beaching gear (ideal for your project, Carl)
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(https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-lede-1-1024x654.jpg)
From here: A JAPANESE SEAPLANE COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE-MAKER FOR THE U.S. MILITARY (https://warontherocks.com/2021/11/a-japanese-seaplane-could-be-the-difference-maker-for-the-u-s-military/)