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Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« on: February 04, 2012, 11:37:38 AM »
Hi folks,

A thread for your Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration.

To start with, here is one that I did a while back:



By the way, it is now a tail dragger.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 11:40:59 AM »
And now some based upon actual original P-38 concepts:


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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 11:42:53 AM »
I remember seeing an asymetric P-38 modelled and the individual concerned used the other boom to create a drone which were both quite cool.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 11:46:17 AM »
RR Griffon engined with turbocharger:



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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 03:01:58 PM »
Hmm, combine the Griffon-engined with superchargers version with leading edge radiators and intercoolers and the extended "Lightning Swordfish" center nacelle and you'd have an advanced version of what I've read Kelly Johnson considered to be the ultimate P-38.

As an alternate thought, take one of the radial-engined derivatives proposed to the US Navy and replace the original engines with R2800s or R3350s.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 08:13:00 PM »
The P-38 with contraprops has long been on my "to do" list.

So has a P-38 with Bristol Centaurus engines and five blade props.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2012, 08:13:32 PM »
The radial version, XFV-1 Trident,  was nicely done in 1/48 here: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/rh/articles.php?id=6580
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 02:44:59 AM »
Hmm, combine the Griffon-engined with superchargers version with leading edge radiators and intercoolers and the extended "Lightning Swordfish" center nacelle and you'd have an advanced version of what I've read Kelly Johnson considered to be the ultimate P-38.


I had thought of that but for expediency I left the radiators where the existing radiators were.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2012, 02:47:09 AM »
Original P-38 concepts:

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2012, 02:50:11 AM »
P-38 Torpedo Carrier:

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2012, 02:51:50 AM »
P-38 75mm gun proposal:





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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 05:52:13 AM »
That 75mm bird and the Griffon-engined ones make me think about a seriously "Britishified" Lightning: Griffons or Merlin engines and the guns and cockpit swapped around to something more like the Meteor/Hornet arrangment, where the cockpit is right in the nose with the gun barrels under the floor and the magazines behind it.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2012, 05:57:14 AM »
Switching the four Browning .50" machine guns out for an equal number of 20mm cannons would be a simple yet subtle modification that would be hard to spot. 
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2012, 06:47:12 AM »
The radial version, XFV-1 Trident,  was nicely done in 1/48 here: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/rh/articles.php?id=6580

Beautiful piece of work but he used the F5F-1's engines rather than the R2800s I suggested.  It'd make for a larger cowl, but more capability.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2012, 06:54:59 AM »
Switching the four Browning .50" machine guns out for an equal number of 20mm cannons would be a simple yet subtle modification that would be hard to spot.

For something more obvious, maybe switch a Westland Whirlwind nose in.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2012, 02:09:01 PM »
Splendid P-38 drawings.  For first P-38 I am thinking it breaks new ground in terminology.  "Reverse Tricycle" would be more descriptive than tail dragger where draggy tail is close to ground.  Would also be unique in having rear wheel steering when taxiing.  That will be a new pilot skill to learn.  To my recollection it is first ever reverse tricycle rear steer airplane.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2012, 05:22:29 PM »
The rear wheel would only be a small one with a shortish strut so it would be more like a conventional tail dragger.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2012, 01:51:27 AM »


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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2012, 03:54:47 AM »
Funky looking engine cowlings.  I've a suspicion it would've been found underpowered with only R1535s.  On the other hand, it would give a starting place for developments with larger engines.

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 12:45:42 PM »
... it would give a starting place for developments with larger engines.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2012, 05:14:36 AM »
Possible inspiration for Soviet or even Finnish P-38s:

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2012, 11:31:05 AM »
A Finn Lightning.    That's cool for every P-38 model.   
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 12:40:00 PM »
Shortly before the Korean war started the U.S. in a shortsighted stupid "peace" jesture bulldozed a lot of P-38L Lightnings into scrap.
Like to have seen what kind showing the P-38L made for itself in those desperate early months of the war.  And later on too.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 11:39:56 AM »
I may try to add your new versions on my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit (with a thousand different Lightnings). Alas, I discover this topic today, and the weekend is finished.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 11:47:13 AM »
Possible inspiration for Soviet or even Finnish P-38s:



ISTR that there was a companion study done of a tracked landing gear for the P-38 as was studied on other aircraft.