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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #225 on: January 13, 2015, 11:21:32 AM »
Sea RAM is intended to destroy Anti-Ship missiles at close range as a CIWS.  What would you use it for on a truck?  I suppose it could be used to protect high value point targets but I can't see it being much use in the field.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #226 on: January 13, 2015, 03:38:34 PM »
I remember seeing a photo of an AAAV-7 with its troop compartment filled with rockets with fuel air explosive warheads for a mine clearing trial, it looked quite impressive.

Back onto the M-113, how about either a Tilly, a Tracked Rapier, Chapparell or the flat bed version of the Australian AS4 updated version with a Sea RAM mount?  It just came to mind while I was typing the above.

The chain of thought was an artists impression of a conceptual Israeli truck based air defence vehicle incorporating a Phalanx between the axles and a VLS for 8 Barak missiles behind the rear axle which made me think of Sea RAM instead of Phalanx and then because this is the M-113 thread I thought why not.

I think you'll find the problem with this is tracking & targeting.

Both systems, I believe, use external acquisition systems, however, the Phalanx system has its integral tracking & targeting systems, while Sea RAM requires the tracking & targeting systems of the host ship, therefore requiring more vehicles to provide those systems.

However, as part of a larger, less independent system, I could see the Sea RAM idea working.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #227 on: January 14, 2015, 02:27:09 AM »
Sea RAM is the eleven round version that uses the Phalanx tracking and targeting systems while RAM is the twenty one round Launcher that relies on off mount systems.  The latest Phalanx 1B mount with the EO tracker would be even better.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #228 on: January 14, 2015, 03:35:17 AM »
Sea RAM is intended to destroy Anti-Ship missiles at close range as a CIWS.  What would you use it for on a truck?  I suppose it could be used to protect high value point targets but I can't see it being much use in the field.

One could use it in a C-RAM (Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar) role just as the Land-Based Phalanx Weapon System and Rafael Iron Dome systems are.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #229 on: January 14, 2015, 08:23:55 AM »
Sea RAM is intended to destroy Anti-Ship missiles at close range as a CIWS.  What would you use it for on a truck?  I suppose it could be used to protect high value point targets but I can't see it being much use in the field.

One could use it in a C-RAM (Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar) role just as the Land-Based Phalanx Weapon System and Rafael Iron Dome systems are.

Again only really useful defending point targets, rather than general field use.  It would be rather easily overwhelmed.

Speaking of FOG-M and Polyphem - what ever happened to them?  They seem to just faded away.  Which IMO is a real shame as both would be very useful on a battlefield.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #230 on: January 14, 2015, 08:41:54 AM »
Speaking of FOG-M and Polyphem - what ever happened to them?  They seem to just faded away.  Which IMO is a real shame as both would be very useful on a battlefield.

EFOGM (MGM-157) was cancelled in 2002.

Polyphem was cancelled in 2003.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #231 on: February 14, 2015, 06:09:52 PM »
Hi I came across this, would be an interesting build

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #232 on: February 14, 2015, 06:34:19 PM »
What the heck, hmmm.  That be different.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #233 on: February 15, 2015, 08:46:08 AM »
What the heck, hmmm.  That be different.

I couldn't have put it any better...
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #234 on: February 20, 2015, 08:29:48 PM »
BAEs fall back solution for the Australian upgrade?

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #235 on: March 12, 2015, 02:39:17 AM »
For those wanting something different:

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The Mouse House Team is currently working on the complete resin / PE kit of an M113AS4 APC hopefully to be released later this year.
So far we have the basic hull and turret done.  The new drive sprocket and T150F track links are ready for casting.  The rear fuel tank just needs detailing.  Having said that, there are an endless array of smaller detail bits that still have to be created.
The hardest part was the front headlight cluster brush guard.  In the end we had that drawn and the master 3D printed.
If you are interested in purchasing the model in due course please register your interest by sending your name to webmaster@mheaust.com.au.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #236 on: March 12, 2015, 03:04:04 AM »
Hi I came across this, would be an interesting build


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I've been meaning to build this for quite some time. Bought the kits and everything.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #237 on: March 14, 2015, 11:19:32 PM »
I am in two minds about buying, let alone building, a kit of the AS4 purely on principle, i.e. it should never have existed and was a monumental WOMBAT (Waste Of Money, Brains And Talent), and ascetics, i.e. it is fugly, looking nowhere near as good as the original vehicle or any of the other various upgrades and versions I can think of.  I know its just a model of a real vehicle but the fact it exists at all really annoys me to the point of irrationality.  >:(

I used to crew A1s so am familiar with them while some of my neighbours are ARA so we have compared notes and they are not at all impressed with the AS4, saying it handles like a POS.  Basically, while an improvement on the original, the upgrade was excesively over budget, a decade late, and failed to deliver the intended performance.  A less ambitious purely MOTS upgrade would have cost a third or less, could have been ready two decades earlier, while offering superior performance, meaning the money saved could have been invested in a supplemental modern IFV and additional M-1A1s.  Alternatively the same money could have re-equipped the ARA with surplus Marders, including upgrading them in Australia, providing a vastly superior vehicle that, unlike the AS4, would actually be survivable in modern combat.  So many better options than what we actually did, every report into the project has slammed it yet there it is, a tactically useless vehicle still in service, endangering the lives of its crews if it were ever to be used in combat.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #238 on: April 13, 2015, 03:09:35 AM »
Random thought:  The Australian Army mounted Saladin turrets on M113A1 APCs to produce the Fire Support Vehicle (see below):



What if they used the 30mm armed turret from the FV721 Fox (see below) instead?



Add a couple of early anti-tank missiles and one starts to get an early 'modernish' IFV.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #239 on: April 13, 2015, 03:29:05 AM »
Almost two years to the day, Greg...

I didn't want to post this picture before from Hunnicutt's Bradley in case it pre-empted Weaver's work. Nothing is new under the sun?



But not to worry M113 Scimitar turret fans because this is actually a turret from the Fox scout car! So therefore an entirely different concept. No context as to what the proposal was for but possibly a sales attempt from the makers of the Rarden 30mm gun?


And here's Weaver's aforementioned build of it.



Rumor is that the Canadians actually built such a Frankenstein to test against one with a Delco turret and 25mm Bushmaster (pictured below), but I've only seen the Delco-turreted prototype, not the Fox-turreted one that was mentioned.



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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #240 on: April 14, 2015, 02:01:38 AM »
Doh!  Use me as an example of what not to do - i.e one should first check earlier posts... :-[
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #241 on: April 14, 2015, 07:37:33 PM »
Except that mine's a Scimitar turret, not a Fox turret.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #242 on: June 13, 2015, 05:38:09 AM »
Somewhere under there there is a design that started off as a M113:

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #243 on: June 13, 2015, 05:39:22 AM »
Ditto:

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #244 on: June 13, 2015, 05:40:24 AM »
What's more challenging...adding the gun on top or replicating the paint scheme?

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #245 on: June 13, 2015, 05:41:10 AM »
Another from Lebanon:

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #246 on: June 13, 2015, 06:45:19 AM »
More interesting Lebanese paint jobs:




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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #247 on: June 13, 2015, 07:59:43 AM »
Jordanian M113s this time:


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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #248 on: June 13, 2015, 08:00:42 AM »
Some more Lebanese ones:


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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #249 on: June 13, 2015, 08:02:23 AM »
And finally, some walk arounds of South Lebanon Army militia M113 Kasman here

Example shot:

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