Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on December 28, 2011, 04:05:16 AM
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Hi folks,
A thread for your Fairey Battle Ideas and Inspiration.
To begin with, how about this crude (and very quickly thrown together) Battle update:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/SabreBattle.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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Next, a couple of DAP N-7 Wandabaa (aboriginal for Eaglehawk) (as seen here (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=66.0) in full colour) variations:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/RANN-7Wandabaa.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/RANN-8WandabaaII.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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Finally, a floatplane:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Battle-FP.gif)
Regards,
Greg
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The Wandabaa's were particularly nice to play with Greg.
Regards,
John
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A diminutive version of the Battle, the forgotten Fairey Faucon... In late 1939, the French government decided it was perhaps too risky to continue building combat aircraft on the French territory, for fear they might fall in enemy hands should the war intensify and Germany seize them. Several foreign types were ordered, among them the Fairey Faucon ("Falcon" in French), the prototype for which had already been built to a strictly French specification.
The aircraft was hastily shipped to France and flight tested at Bretigny airfield, where it demonstrated great performance. The surrender of France in 1940 put an end to several aircraft orders, including one for 200 Faucons. The crewmen at Bretigny decided to set the aircraft ablaze instead of allowing it to fall into adverse hands. That was the end of what could have been France's greatest asset in combat.
NOTE: Just as I did in other similar threads, I'm including this one more for inspiration than as a really feasible modification of a model. Pixel work enables me to stretch and distort certain parts of an aircraft, which is not always so easy in plastic...
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/018/f/b/the_forgotten_fairey___faucon___by_bispro-d37ianx.jpg)
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I love the odd look of the double-cockpit Fairey Battle that MPM makes. I am going to turn that into a 1942 British carrier-borne night-torpedo-bomber that will thrash the Kido Butai in a "sneak" night attack off Ceylon. The radar guy is the GIB. Though the photo-shopped illustration below does not show it, I plan to make the fuselage look like a Marlin, with the characteristic metallic-blue-to-silver fade from the top, and vertical turquoise dots, etc. (I am WAAAAAY behind on modeling projects, but the "Marlin" is near the top of the list of future builds).
(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/FBattleTmkISide-view02.jpg)
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Fairey's P27/32 Scheme 5 also had those separate canopies but was powered by twin Merlins. There's been lots of whif twin-engined Battles since then. One I did was the Fairey Falcon in Western Australia markings for rickshaw's 'Remember Eureka' concept.
I'm also attaching a single-seat fighter Battle proposal -- not all that different than Stéphane's concept ;D
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Holy thread revival Batman!!
Random idea: What about a Battle night fighter? Stay with conventional airframe but add in radar on wings, operator in rear, and perhaps something akin to Schräge Musik with say an upward firing 20mm cannon similar to that on the D4Y2-S "Suisei":
(http://www.cyber-hobby.com/shop/images/modelkits/QHAFMFA6.jpg)
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Holy thread revival Batman!!
Random idea: What about a Battle night fighter? Stay with conventional airframe but add in radar on wings, operator in rear
Sort of like a Fairey Firefly Nightfighter Greg, Mk.II or V
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... or perhaps a 37mm like the Westland and Vickers C.O.W. gun fighters that pre-date the Luftwaffe
and IJN installations by over a decade? ;)
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/england/west_f29-27.gif)
(http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/vickers161_3v.jpg)
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... or perhaps a 37mm like the Westland and Vickers C.O.W. gun fighters that pre-date the Luftwaffe
and IJN installations by over a decade? ;)
I realised that - I simply used the Schräge Musik reference since it was the fastest way of saying what I meant. ;) I also used the D4Y2-S picture since it was the closest at hand that looks like what I am thinking.
Sort of like a Fairey Firefly Nightfighter Greg, Mk.II or V
Not quite. I am thinking of something that is more of a 1940 lash up job. Basically, the Luftwaffe starts night bombing and the Battle NF Mk.I is developed as one of multiple defensive measures. The Battles would be somewhat at a loss for other roles and their size would give good endurance whilst allowing plenty of space for additional equipment. It would have radar similar to the Defiant night fighters (see below for example) and perhaps a single 20mm upward firing cannon in the rear cockpit. Idea would be to format below the bombers and then let rip.
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/defiant/defiant-8.jpg)
Maybe something akin to this:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Battle-NFMKI_zps98be91e0.jpg)
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Just a thought, a two-seat version with airbrakes on the wings to operate as a tactical dive bomber?
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And another thought, a mounting for a Vickers "S" gun that would pick up the outboard bomb shackles with ammo in the wing and the gun in a pod underneath and put more ammo in the inboard bomb bay. Could make an interesting tank hunter or, in Costal Command usage, a hunter for S-Boats, surfaced U-Boats, and suchlike.
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And another thought, a mounting for a Vickers "S" gun that would pick up the outboard bomb shackles with ammo in the wing and the gun in a pod underneath and put more ammo in the inboard bomb bay. Could make an interesting tank hunter or, in Costal Command usage, a hunter for S-Boats, surfaced U-Boats, and suchlike.
I would tend to go more for the "hunter for S-Boats, surfaced U-Boats, and suchlike." option. In fact, a ASW variant might be interesting if fitted with S-Gun or Rockets as well as radar and/or searchlight? Maybe go with something like a podded AN/APS-4 radar on one wing and a podded searchlight on the other?
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And another thought, a mounting for a Vickers "S" gun that would pick up the outboard bomb shackles with ammo in the wing and the gun in a pod underneath and put more ammo in the inboard bomb bay. Could make an interesting tank hunter or, in Costal Command usage, a hunter for S-Boats, surfaced U-Boats, and suchlike.
I would tend to go more for the "hunter for S-Boats, surfaced U-Boats, and suchlike." option. In fact, a ASW variant might be interesting if fitted with S-Gun or Rockets as well as radar and/or searchlight? Maybe go with something like a podded AN/APS-4 radar on one wing and a podded searchlight on the other?
S gun under each inboard bomb bay with ammo in both and an AN/APS-4 under one outboard one and a searchlight under the other? Still room to later add rockets under the outer wings. That could seriously ruin the target's day.
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Maybe also re-engined with either a RR Griffon or one of the other engines used in the various Battle testbeds?
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One of the things I would definitely do to the Battle, upgrade the engine package, maybe from the Firefly Mk.1.
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Well, I was considering claiming a later model, and more powerful, Merlin and giving it a four-bladed propeller, likely with a spinner.
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Victoria Taylor Spade suit⚔@SpitfireFilly
Mar 16
Interesting. An interrogated #Luftwaffe pilot speaks about the usefulness of the Boulton Paul Defiant when used to blast German aircraft from below whilst being sandwiched by a Spitfire from above. Early inspiration for German #SchrägeMusik in November 1940...?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETPJ3NrXYAEis9N?format=jpg&name=medium)
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The COW Gun fighters were fairly well known pre-war, and angled guns for firing up into the enemy's
belly were used during WWI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_C.O.W._Gun_Fighter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_C.O.W._Gun_Fighter)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww1/cowgunfighter/cowgunfighter-1.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Type_161 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Type_161)
(http://263i3m2dw9nnf6zqv39ktpr1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Cow-960_640.jpg)
Interestingly the Luftwaffe and the Imperial Japanese Navy both used their, independently developed,
cannon systems in combat during May of 1943.
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The COW Gun fighters were fairly well known pre-war, and angled guns for firing up into the enemy's
belly were used during WWI
The Westland design at least has the weapon around where the C of G would be, but that Vickers one must have shoved the nose down a but when fired. Bumpy ride.
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I see this photo:
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/1627297007574-png.633564/)
And can't help but picture it with the front cockpit removed and faired over, a turbocharger added, perhaps a wing extension and a bay carrying cameras in the belly...
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What about a Fairey Prince powered Battle?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4400/36197833714_432acf71b4_b.jpg)
Chris
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What about a Fairey Prince powered Battle?
The engine illustrated here is Fairey's P.24 Monarch. The earlier P.12 Prince was considered for a twin-engined Battle derivative. But a single-engined P.12-powered Battle - even the proposed P.16 development - wouldn't really offer an advantage over the RW Merlin variant.
Now, the 2,000+ hp P.24 Monarch on the other hand ... :smiley:
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What about a Fairey Battle testbed with a turboprop?
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What about a Fairey Prince powered Battle?
The engine illustrated here is Fairey's P.24 Monarch. The earlier P.12 Prince was considered for a twin-engined Battle derivative. But a single-engined P.12-powered Battle - even the proposed P.16 development - wouldn't really offer an advantage over the RW Merlin variant.
Now, the 2,000+ hp P.24 Monarch on the other hand ... :smiley:
Yes! I typed the wrong name. My bad!
Chris
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A few years back I grafted a Wellesley engine onto the Airfix Battle.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50762897663_92e0b30aaa_c.jpg)
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What about a Fairey Battle testbed with a turboprop?
Given the extensive list of engines that the Battle Test Beds were used for, every chance
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/scan0235-jpg.567638/)
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What the ! ??
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i wonder how much better the fairey battle would be, if it was pawered by a Rolls Royce Griffon engine ???
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i wonder how much better the fairey battle would be, if it was pawered by a Rolls Royce Griffon engine ???
With those big wings it would have sprung into the air like a homesick eagle.
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Assuming one would be looking at a early model RR Griffon of ~1700-1800hp vs the 1030hp of the Merlin in the Battle but also accounting for the increased weight of the bigger engine (roughly 150kg heavier) it would be interesting.
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What the ! ??
Actually a pre-Battle concept powered by Fairey P.12 Prince engines, the Air Ministry
didn't want a twin so Lobelle redrew it with a single P.12. The Ministry refused to use the P.12
because in their minds Fairey wasn't an established engine manufacturer. Code for them
still being pissed off about Fairey using the Curtiss D-12 in their Fox light bomber private
venture which had trounced the majority of RAF bombers and fighters in service at the time.
Lobelle replaced the P.12 with the Merlin I and thus the Battle was born.
https://oldmachinepress.com/2017/10/05/fairey-p-12-prince-aircraft-engine/
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:smiley: