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Offline Flitzer

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Offline Brian da Basher

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 06:03:51 AM »
You're such a profiling machine that I can barely keep up, Flitzer, but I think your work is fantastic!

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Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2012, 04:04:06 PM »
You're such a profiling machine that I can barely keep up, Flitzer, but I think your work is fantastic!

Brian da Basher


Well yes and no.... ;)
These profiles have been done over quite a few years and I just happen to have them on file.
In fact I have been very lazy and not produced any profiles since June last year. But I have been inspired lately and have begun a new set and I'm happy to report they seem to be coming along nicely.  :)

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2012, 08:28:36 PM »
Love the P.1101!

Offline Flitzer

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Offline Flitzer

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Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2012, 02:11:59 AM »
One of the most interesting yet.
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2012, 09:41:04 PM »
a few more of that one then.

With some extra side views to follow.

Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2012, 09:43:01 PM »
2 extra side views plus the start of another aircraft.

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Offline finsrin

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2012, 04:23:02 AM »
Enjoying your postings.  Cool aircraft, there should be kits for all them.
Bill

Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2012, 05:12:03 AM »
Thanks Bill.
I agree. I wish they were available as kits.

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Offline Flitzer

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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2012, 04:46:04 AM »
Always thought the Ente looked neat, but I always considered that to be a fantasy design that had no hope of leaving the ground unless they folded the design into a paper airplane.  I don't think it would have been stable enough in the days before FBW, and the jet engines of the time didn't have enough power to get it off the ground in the first place, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Logan

Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2012, 03:35:03 PM »
I think in the most of cases with these projects and concepts, they were designs waiting for the technology to catch up to make them viable.


I just do them warts and all, as the drawings are found, as a kind of record I suppose.
(The real reason being that I'm not an aircraft engineer and wouldn't know were to start 'adjusting' them. ;))

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Offline Logan Hartke

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2012, 12:15:32 AM »
Yeah, that was not meant to be a criticism of you or your work at all.  I just run into the History Channel-educated kids every so often who give me the same line about, "if the war had lasted into 1946, Germany would have..."  I once thought as they did (1 Corinthians 13:11 comes to mind), but I quickly discovered that most of the German's advanced concepts were pipe dreams without the practical foundation necessary to actually build and use them.  I once read a detailed article about the development of the Helwan HA-300 by its lead test pilot.  The designers read like a Who's Who of German aviation designers, and the end result looked fantastic.  Still, with all the benefits of 20 years of postwar international aviation developments, the HA-300 was a deathtrap and only posed a threat to its pilot.



http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html

I'm not saying that German aviation was bad.  It was more advanced than much the Allied development in many areas (rocket engines, swept wings, transonic flight, heavy caliber guns, guided missiles, etc.), but much of their advanced technology was still immature and would require many more years of development before it would become superior to existing designs in service.  Furthermore, the state of German industry was such that it would be unable to supply the numbers of these designs necessary to alter the outcome of the war.  Finally, this doesn't even take into account the massive fuel and pilot shortages Germany had in the second half of the war.

That being said, I love aesthetics of the designs, and the way you bring them to life is fantastic.  They're gorgeous.  Keep up the great work.

Cheers,

Logan

Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2012, 02:52:44 PM »
Hi Logan.
No criticism taken.

I agree. I do think the work carried out in WW2 Germany did overall, have a massive influence on what flies today, but I don't think it was just a matter of blowing the dust off German plans and simply building advanced aircraft.  They sort of pointed the way.

Cheers
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Offline Flitzer

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2012, 05:11:41 AM »
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Offline apophenia

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Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2012, 07:44:45 AM »
Sometimes they may have "pointed the way". Other times, maybe pointed at 'roads not taken'. I'd count that gorgeous Me P1101 Ente canard as a 'should've been'!
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