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Title: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
Post by: Flitzer on January 19, 2012, 08:27:09 PM: A more expansive set. (Eventually)...
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Post by: Flitzer on January 19, 2012, 10:04:09 PM: 4 more...
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Post by: Flitzer on January 19, 2012, 10:05:17 PM: and 4 more...
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Post by: Flitzer on January 19, 2012, 10:06:39 PM: and 4 more...
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Post by: Tophe on January 19, 2012, 11:50:35 PM: :) wonderful collection! congratulations!
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Post by: Flitzer on January 20, 2012, 12:11:36 AM: Many thanks Tophe
coming from you it is indeed a great compliment.

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Post by: Empty Handed on January 20, 2012, 12:35:40 AM: Beautiful! I'm really impressed by some of these camo schemes!
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Post by: Flitzer on January 21, 2012, 04:39:01 PM: 4 more...
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Post by: AXOR on January 21, 2012, 05:37:25 PM: You doing a fantastic job Peter,some concepts are simply extraordinary,truly inspirational !

Alex
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Post by: JP Vieira on January 21, 2012, 05:49:43 PM: Love the Me.334:
good job
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Post by: Brian da Basher on January 21, 2012, 09:21:05 PM: Quote from: Empty Handed on January 20, 2012, 12:35:40 AM
Beautiful! I'm really impressed by some of these camo schemes!

What he said! You've got a real talent for Luft-stuff!

Brian da Basher
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Post by: Empty Handed on January 21, 2012, 09:55:19 PM: Some interesting projects here and your technique is brilliant!
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Post by: Flitzer on January 22, 2012, 04:27:31 PM: Many thanks.
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Post by: Flitzer on January 22, 2012, 04:30:11 PM: 4 more...
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Post by: Flitzer on January 23, 2012, 04:12:19 PM: 4 more...
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Post by: finsrin on January 23, 2012, 04:52:07 PM: Don't know how you (or the others) make these super illustrations. Enjoying every one. Bet all here would sell well as Luft 46 kits.
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Post by: Empty Handed on January 23, 2012, 08:03:07 PM: Particularly loving the desert camo on those last ones!
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Post by: Flitzer on January 23, 2012, 08:47:40 PM: There my be a few more desert schemes amongst the profiles to come.
Not in this four but the next.

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Post by: Flitzer on January 23, 2012, 08:49:14 PM: Desert scheme up next.
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Post by: GTX_Admin on January 24, 2012, 02:10:23 AM: I always liked the P1099 development. Any chance of either a carrier variant or a turboprop variant...or even combined?
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Post by: elmayerle on January 24, 2012, 10:10:48 AM: Quote from: GTX_Admin on January 24, 2012, 02:10:23 AM
I always liked the P1099 development. Any chance of either a carrier variant or a turboprop variant...or even combined?
Make it a mid-wing turboprop like one of the proposed Me-262B-2 variants (which Unicraft has a conversion for).
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Post by: Flitzer on January 24, 2012, 03:48:25 PM: I'll see what I can do in the future.

In the meantime you might back-track a little and take a look at the MeP1090 pic 5 and 6.

And, next up is a design related to the P1099 at least visually.
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Post by: Flitzer on January 24, 2012, 08:46:41 PM: 4 more...
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Post by: GTX_Admin on January 26, 2012, 06:04:35 AM: Any chance of one of these latest ones done up in a captured scheme?
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Post by: apophenia on January 26, 2012, 07:11:50 AM: Quote from: JP Vieira on January 21, 2012, 05:49:43 PM
Love the Me.334

Me too. I alway liked the Turbolader but who wouldn't like a propeller-driven Komet?

Nerdsville, I know, but the numerals visible on that P1095 head-on view just blew me away. Nice work man! As for the aircraft's layout, German designers had obviously concluded that ingesting rocks would just add minerals to their turbojets' diet ;)
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Post by: Flitzer on January 26, 2012, 04:20:55 PM: 4 more...
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Post by: Flitzer on January 28, 2012, 12:12:06 AM: 4 more...
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Post by: Brian da Basher on January 28, 2012, 06:03:51 AM: You're such a profiling machine that I can barely keep up, Flitzer, but I think your work is fantastic!

Brian da Basher
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Post by: Flitzer on January 28, 2012, 04:04:06 PM: Quote from: Brian da Basher on January 28, 2012, 06:03:51 AM
You're such a profiling machine that I can barely keep up, Flitzer, but I think your work is fantastic!

Brian da Basher

Well yes and no.... ;)
These profiles have been done over quite a few years and I just happen to have them on file.
In fact I have been very lazy and not produced any profiles since June last year. But I have been inspired lately and have begun a new set and I'm happy to report they seem to be coming along nicely. :)

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Post by: Empty Handed on January 28, 2012, 08:28:36 PM: Love the P.1101!
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Post by: Flitzer on January 31, 2012, 10:49:32 PM: Quote from: Empty Handed on January 28, 2012, 08:28:36 PM
Love the P.1101!

I have a few more...
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Post by: Flitzer on January 31, 2012, 10:50:59 PM: And more...
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Post by: Flitzer on February 01, 2012, 10:37:51 PM: 4 more...
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Post by: Flitzer on February 02, 2012, 07:51:04 PM: 3 more Messerschmitts
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Post by: Flitzer on February 02, 2012, 07:52:29 PM: and 3 more...
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Post by: GTX_Admin on February 03, 2012, 02:11:59 AM: One of the most interesting yet.
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Post by: Flitzer on February 03, 2012, 09:41:04 PM: a few more of that one then.

With some extra side views to follow.
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Post by: Flitzer on February 03, 2012, 09:43:01 PM: 2 extra side views plus the start of another aircraft.
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Post by: Flitzer on February 06, 2012, 03:05:57 PM: 4 more....
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Post by: Flitzer on February 07, 2012, 03:27:04 AM: 4 more...
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Post by: Flitzer on February 07, 2012, 03:28:27 AM: and 4 more...
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Post by: finsrin on February 07, 2012, 04:23:02 AM: Enjoying your postings. Cool aircraft, there should be kits for all them.
Bill
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Post by: Flitzer on February 07, 2012, 05:12:03 AM: Thanks Bill.
I agree. I wish they were available as kits.

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Post by: Flitzer on February 08, 2012, 04:17:37 AM: 4 more...
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Post by: Logan Hartke on February 08, 2012, 04:46:04 AM: Always thought the Ente looked neat, but I always considered that to be a fantasy design that had no hope of leaving the ground unless they folded the design into a paper airplane. I don't think it would have been stable enough in the days before FBW, and the jet engines of the time didn't have enough power to get it off the ground in the first place, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Messerschmitt WW2 Secret Projects
Post by: Flitzer on February 08, 2012, 03:35:03 PM: I think in the most of cases with these projects and concepts, they were designs waiting for the technology to catch up to make them viable.

I just do them warts and all, as the drawings are found, as a kind of record I suppose.
(The real reason being that I'm not an aircraft engineer and wouldn't know were to start 'adjusting' them. ;))

P :)
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Post by: Logan Hartke on February 09, 2012, 12:15:32 AM: Yeah, that was not meant to be a criticism of you or your work at all. I just run into the History Channel-educated kids every so often who give me the same line about, "if the war had lasted into 1946, Germany would have..." I once thought as they did (1 Corinthians 13:11 comes to mind), but I quickly discovered that most of the German's advanced concepts were pipe dreams without the practical foundation necessary to actually build and use them. I once read a detailed article about the development of the Helwan HA-300 by its lead test pilot. The designers read like a Who's Who of German aviation designers, and the end result looked fantastic. Still, with all the benefits of 20 years of postwar international aviation developments, the HA-300 was a deathtrap and only posed a threat to its pilot.

(http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg502/scaled.php?server=502&filename=ha300v2helwanwillimesse.jpg&res=medium)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html (http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html)

I'm not saying that German aviation was bad. It was more advanced than much the Allied development in many areas (rocket engines, swept wings, transonic flight, heavy caliber guns, guided missiles, etc.), but much of their advanced technology was still immature and would require many more years of development before it would become superior to existing designs in service. Furthermore, the state of German industry was such that it would be unable to supply the numbers of these designs necessary to alter the outcome of the war. Finally, this doesn't even take into account the massive fuel and pilot shortages Germany had in the second half of the war.

That being said, I love aesthetics of the designs, and the way you bring them to life is fantastic. They're gorgeous. Keep up the great work.

Cheers,

Logan
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Post by: Flitzer on February 09, 2012, 02:52:44 PM: Hi Logan.
No criticism taken.

I agree. I do think the work carried out in WW2 Germany did overall, have a massive influence on what flies today, but I don't think it was just a matter of blowing the dust off German plans and simply building advanced aircraft. They sort of pointed the way.

Cheers
P
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Post by: Flitzer on February 10, 2012, 05:11:41 AM: 4 more Messerschmitts
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Post by: apophenia on February 10, 2012, 07:44:45 AM: Sometimes they may have "pointed the way". Other times, maybe pointed at 'roads not taken'. I'd count that gorgeous Me P1101 Ente canard as a 'should've been'!
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Post by: Flitzer on February 10, 2012, 03:51:28 PM: Quote from: apophenia on February 10, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
Sometimes they may have "pointed the way". Other times, maybe pointed at 'roads not taken'. I'd count that gorgeous Me P1101 Ente canard as a 'should've been'!

Exactly. Saved a lot of cul-de-sacs I suppose. ;)
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Post by: Flitzer on February 11, 2012, 05:15:14 PM: 3 more...
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Post by: Flitzer on February 13, 2012, 03:42:47 PM: Just when you thought it was safe to go back in to the water.... ;)4 more
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Post by: finsrin on February 13, 2012, 03:59:33 PM: Fine renderings and cool designs. 8) Enjoying your work.....
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Post by: Flitzer on February 14, 2012, 05:21:10 PM: Thanks finsrin

Not to disappoint...
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Post by: GTX_Admin on February 15, 2012, 02:19:06 AM: Nice - any chance of one in bare metal finish and high viz (pre war style colours) - I'm thinking that had Germany won the war you would have seen something such as this.
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Post by: Flitzer on February 15, 2012, 03:15:17 AM: I'll see what I can do.... ;)

But first...
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Post by: GTX_Admin on February 15, 2012, 03:49:12 AM: I like the lower one.
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Post by: Flitzer on February 16, 2012, 04:29:23 PM: 4 more...

I've done quite a few P1110s in its various guises.
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Post by: apophenia on February 17, 2012, 08:56:51 AM: That three-tone grey with brown camoflage scheme is especially nice!
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Post by: Flitzer on February 18, 2012, 05:11:45 AM: Thanks apophenia.

A few more that may be to your liking.

Me P1112 next time.
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Post by: apophenia on February 19, 2012, 07:59:48 AM: They are indeed ... Black 9's scheme is especially sharp! (BTW, loved your take on RLM colours.)
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Post by: Flitzer on February 20, 2012, 04:13:37 PM: Now a few P1112.
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Post by: Brian da Basher on February 20, 2012, 05:55:40 PM: Nice work on the P-1110s & P1112s, flitzer! I'm happy to see you cranking these beauties out!

Brian da Basher
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Post by: Flitzer on February 21, 2012, 12:14:43 AM: Quote from: Brian da Basher on February 20, 2012, 05:55:40 PM
Nice work on the P-1110s & P1112s, flitzer! I'm happy to see you cranking these beauties out!

Brian da Basher

Ah, but I'm not... ;)

These are old ones. And there are still a few left to post.
But I am working on a new batch.

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Post by: Flitzer on February 21, 2012, 11:09:54 PM: a few more...
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Post by: GTX_Admin on February 22, 2012, 02:16:41 AM: I like that subtle camp scheme on the last one! :)
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Post by: apophenia on February 22, 2012, 11:37:58 AM: It is subtle, isn't it. Still, that green splinter scheme is pretty sharp too :)
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Post by: Flitzer on February 22, 2012, 03:52:48 PM: Surprising what a bit of 'winter whitewash' can do ;)

Now a few on the 'dumpy' side...
Without the engine, could look quite sleek.

P :)
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Post by: JP Vieira on February 25, 2012, 09:06:39 PM: Great profiles
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Post by: Flitzer on February 26, 2012, 03:31:50 AM: Many thanks...
More...
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Post by: Flitzer on February 28, 2012, 03:52:47 PM: A few more...
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Post by: Flitzer on March 05, 2012, 11:45:35 PM: And yet 4 more...
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Post by: taiidantomcat on March 06, 2012, 12:37:45 AM: Great colors and patterns :-*
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Post by: Flitzer on March 09, 2012, 11:32:51 PM: Thanks.
I've a few more...

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Post by: GTX_Admin on March 10, 2012, 03:08:31 AM: That last one looks like a good basis for a jet trainer
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Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on March 10, 2012, 03:13:51 AM: The second to last offering (MeSchwalbe) looks like a very good candidate for conversion to an UAV/Drone.
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Post by: Flitzer on March 14, 2012, 07:21:55 PM: Believe it or not...4 more ;)

Nearly finished....still a few more to come.
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Post by: Brian da Basher on March 15, 2012, 04:56:54 AM: I really like the one in the desert scheme! That's one sharp aircraft to boot!

Nice work, Flitzer!

Brian da Basher