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Title: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Daryl J. on January 08, 2012, 10:18:41 AM
1.   Wings, fins, cockpit removed and filled.  Inverted.  Conning tower, deck, props and such added.   1/72 Hasegawa kit becomes a 1/700 scale submarine

2.   Cloth wings, vertical fin at 85% final size.   Propellors have two blades. 

3.   Twin vertical tails keeping the D.H. family shape

4.   Butterfly tail using horizontal stabilizers with approximately a 1/2 inch long plug added for 1/48 scale versions.

Paint schemes decided at one's leisure.   
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 08, 2012, 10:28:33 AM
1.   Wings, fins, cockpit removed and filled.  Inverted.  Conning tower, deck, props and such added.   1/72 Hasegawa kit becomes a 1/700 scale submarine

2.   Cloth wings, vertical fin at 85% final size.

3.   Twin vertical tails keeping the D.H. family shape

4.   Butterfly tail using horizontal stabilizers with approximately a 1/2 inch long plug added for 1/48 scale versions.

Paint schemes decided at one's leisure.   


Butterfly style tail empennage sounds interesting. 

Not so sure about the submarine conversion but hey, stranger things have happened to model kits as evidenced by some of or more imaginative members :^)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 08, 2012, 10:36:11 AM
I quite like the sub idea - might make for an interesting mini sub.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Daryl J. on January 08, 2012, 10:42:15 AM
I hope to show you all just what I mean first hand in 2012.   There's a 1/72 Hasegawa kit about to show up at the office purchased on the cheap for that express purpose.   
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Maverick on January 08, 2012, 10:45:54 AM
As a young 'un, I got a wing & nacelle from a Mossie, added a cockpit into the wheel-well, made the Spinner area a jet and added a piece of wing to the other side to balance it out.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 08, 2012, 10:46:50 AM
I hope to show you all just what I mean first hand in 2012.   There's a 1/72 Hasegawa kit about to show up at the office purchased on the cheap for that express purpose.

What scale will your submersible Mosquito be? 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Daryl J. on January 08, 2012, 10:52:51 AM
TBD, Uncle Jeffrey, to be determined.     :icon_music:
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: sequoiaranger on January 30, 2012, 06:26:00 AM
The former is a scale-o-rama-ed Mossie body (1/48) with Lanc (1/72) wings and a mini-"Upkeep" weapon for anti-ship warfare--

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/GlosterGoatsucker-WISig-1.jpg)

And the other is a modified, license-built, radical multi-"Highball" naval attack aircraft with "flounder" individual canopies (and "handed" Griffon engines, and an elongated nose, and butterfly tails!)--

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/FlounderDone2topQ-m.jpg)

With three "Highballs", and single-oleo landing gear, and folding wings!

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/FlounderDone2LFQ-m.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: RussC on January 30, 2012, 09:18:10 AM
Wow! for both. Really like the Flounder version. In those colors and with a canopy that looks like it was made for serious pressurization, I really think it looks like a photo recon ship. Nice idea on the butterfly tail.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Daryl J. on January 30, 2012, 11:25:13 AM
Wow!    :)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: finsrin on January 30, 2012, 03:54:24 PM
WOW  #3
Like both so much.  Is a convincing four engine.  Could be OOB.
Bill
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2012, 12:19:55 PM
Different engines:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/HercMossie.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2012, 12:21:21 PM
Keeping the original plan to have a turret:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Turretmossie.jpg)

Later updated:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Turretmossie2.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2012, 12:23:09 PM
What to do with old Mosquitos:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/smmis.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on February 04, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
test turret
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 05, 2012, 03:31:13 AM
Yep, that's what I used as the starting point for my concepts.  I basically then took it from there into an operational sense.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: finsrin on February 05, 2012, 02:17:40 PM
Find myself compelled to come back and look at these two Mosquitos several times.  The concept and construction of both are top notch.   :)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: jcf on February 06, 2012, 01:57:29 AM
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/4MOSSIE-02.jpg)

Old quick-n-dirty of an enlarged Mossie like 4-engine heavy.

I need to work on it some more.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Rafael on February 06, 2012, 02:04:45 AM
And what about a single engine mosquito?
Empty Handed did that with a Whirlwind
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 06, 2012, 02:13:05 AM
I like it, but...the engines are too close to each other---their props will gnash. OK---so make them JETS like Meteors!!

finsrin---if you're talking about MY two "Mosquito" models, thanks!
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 06, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
And what about a single engine mosquito?
Empty Handed did that with a Whirlwind


Here's one of sorts...buried coupled engine:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Mosee.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 06, 2012, 05:43:29 PM
High Altitude version:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/MosHA.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Maverick on February 06, 2012, 08:55:07 PM
Well, the NF.XV didn't need too big a wingspan to head up towards the Ju-86s, so perhaps it was a capable performer without the drastic surgery?

Regards,

John
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: jcf on February 07, 2012, 12:06:10 AM
I like it, but...the engines are too close to each other---their props will gnash.

Mmm ... thus the 'I need to work on it some more'.  ;)

Basically the outboard engines/radiators will be moved aft.
I've just not gotten around to changing the drawing.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: apophenia on February 08, 2012, 05:37:04 AM
And what about a single engine mosquito?...

Here's one of sorts...buried coupled engine:

The buried-engine with outrigger shafts is a cool concept. DH did play with a single-engined concept before the final DH.98 layout was decided. I knocked together a purely speculative view of what a single Sabre Skeeter might've appeared. Not much of a looker though  :o
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: apophenia on February 08, 2012, 05:38:30 AM
Another unrealized RW proposal for the Mossie -- twin Napier Daggers
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 08, 2012, 06:47:56 AM
High Altitude version:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/MosHA.jpg[/url])


You know I have to build this now.   :-\

The extended wings are home grown?
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Rafael on February 08, 2012, 09:23:39 AM
Thanks for the singe engined Mosquito, Apohenia
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: jcf on February 08, 2012, 02:06:09 PM

The buried-engine with outrigger shafts is a cool concept. DH did play with a single-engined concept before the final DH.98 layout was decided. I knocked together a purely speculative view of what a single Sabre Skeeter might've appeared. Not much of a looker though  :o


Well, how about using other De Havilland inline powered designs as an aesthetic influence for engine cowling?

To whit, the D.H. 91 Albatross and D.H. 93 Don.

(http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/historical1930scivil/images/14772/fa-16484s-jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: finsrin on February 08, 2012, 03:11:29 PM
High Altitude version - find the Mosquito and U-2 kits,,, Hmmmm wonder if U-2 wings graft onto Mosquito wings decently.
Cruise along looking down at ME-262s.
Bill
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 08, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
And what about a single engine mosquito?...

Here's one of sorts...buried coupled engine:

The buried-engine with outrigger shafts is a cool concept. DH did play with a single-engined concept before the final DH.98 layout was decided. I knocked together a purely speculative view of what a single Sabre Skeeter might've appeared. Not much of a looker though  :o


Mmmmm....
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 08, 2012, 07:33:38 PM
Literately about a week ago I pulled out my 1/72 Tamiya PR IV and was pondering how I could stretch out the wings. The taper of the wing has stopped me a this point.

I also thought about cutting off the wing off right at the engine nacelle and putting a new wing on.

I also read that the PR 32, 34s used the Merlin 113 and Merlin 114. This raised the ceiling to 43,000 vs 38,500 for the IV. So I should also try to find the OOP Matchbox which has the longer nacelles. Paragon had a set but they too are OOP. (you snooze, you loose)

Carl
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 09, 2012, 12:10:41 AM
>Literately about a week ago I pulled out my 1/72 Tamiya PR IV and was pondering how I could stretch out the wings. The taper of the wing has stopped me a this point. I also thought about cutting off the wing off right at the engine nacelle and putting a new wing on.<

The U-2 wing outboard of the....gas-tank-looking projection...should do, but the wing is very thin. If you can find the 4-engined DH Heron (1/72) kit (fairly rare, I'm afraid), that at least has "DeHavilland" wings, but longer, with minimal hacking of nacelles. Another source may be 1/144 4-engined bomber wings. The 1/144 B-29 looks good, but you would have to eliminate the engines somehow. I don't know about B-24 wing/engine interfaces. But there ARE suitable wings out there!!

Here's a photo of a U-2 wing adapted to a 1/100 He-111 fuselage (and, of course, numerous other "modifications") for a high-altitude jetstream-riding fighter for Japan (ex-German He-121). The general shape of the fuselage and tailplanes is reminiscent of the Mossie. Your twin-engine nacelles might go where the...gas-tank-looking projections...are!

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/SoryuDone2-09-mm.jpg)
 
>So I should also try to find the OOP Matchbox which has the longer nacelles.<

Since I used a combo of P-82 and Lancaster for my "Flounder" nacelles, I am SURE I have the unused Matchbox Mossie nacelles somewhere, and you would be welcome to them if you are serious about your project.

Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 10, 2012, 08:53:34 AM
Hi Sequoiaranger:

I would be very pleased if you are willing part with the engines. Need to some RW engineering to the design. I'll you send a PM.

As for the Mossie wings, I have not yet done any scale-o-rama work so I guess I need get a feel for the sizing and other criteria when re-purposing kits.

Cheers, Carl
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 12, 2012, 03:03:46 AM
Folks:

If you have a 1/72 or 1/144 Liberator could I ask you to measure the chord and length of the wing out board of the number 1 and 4 engines.

This part of the wing looks to be a good candidate for a long wing Mosquito.

Thanks

Carl
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 16, 2012, 07:26:36 AM
...and don't mind some "creative" hacking, the pic below has an idea:

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/Long-WingMossie01-m.jpg)

The Il-28, surprisingly, does NOT have as great wing root "chord" as the Mossie, but tapers out more slowly toward the tip. So...

You might use the Mossie root out the the inside of the nacelle area. From there is a "squishy" zone I'll talk about later, but hooking up the Il-28's wing OUTSIDE the nacelles, or just inside (more later) and using a Mossie wingtip on the end of the squared Il-28!
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 16, 2012, 08:57:55 AM
I was thinking maybe the wings of a Liberator might work? The Davis wing is nice and thin. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 16, 2012, 09:19:52 AM
I have been stumped with my own conversion project of a 1/32nd scale (Revell) Mosquito into a 1/48th scale bomber/reconnaissance aircraft with four engines.  I had originally intended to sacrifice a pair of Monogram Mosquito kits for the engines and other details but a friend convinced me that he needed the kits more than I did.  This resulted in a small void that was soon filled with a pair of Airfix 1/48 de Havilland Mosquito B.XVI/PR.XVI Ikits which was a bonus since these are the later model Mosquito types with the more powerful engines.  This still leaves me in a rut as far as trying to blend 48th scale parts onto the 32nd scale wing. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: elmayerle on February 16, 2012, 11:44:47 AM
It sounds like careful cutting and fairing is the order of the day here.  Are you going to have the main gear retract into the inner or outer nacelles?  And are you going to use the 1/32 landing gear for the 1/48 heavy or adapt the 1/48 gear, perhaps the gear from both kits?
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 17, 2012, 11:49:28 PM
Extrapolating the idea of using the Il-28 wing, the larger-diameter nacelles (Il-28) made me think of substituting a pair of Tempest V noses to give the "Mossie" the extra cylinders and power of the Napier Sabre!!!!

*MAYBE* (haven't measured, just eye-balled) even take sections out of the constant-diameter fuselage of the Il-28 to extend the Mossie fuselage a couple of feet front and back of the wing!

Or even make a "nosewheel Mossie" that would essentially be an Il-28 with a Mossie cockpit, tail, and some sort of British reciprocating engine..!!??

The mind reels!

I'll be sending some Matchbox Mossie nacelles, and the Il-28 wings, to Big Gimper for his "long-wing Mossie" project. Won't be right away, as I am taking off on a 10-day cruise today. Time to cogitate and contemplate.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 18, 2012, 12:26:57 AM
Or even make a "nosewheel Mossie"!!??

I was wondering about that myself with the scale-o-rama/kit bash of the 48th and 32nd scale Mosquito kits as a way to really make it different aside from the "super-sizing" was how to get a nose wheel in there somewhere and how far back would the wings need to be moved in order to find a happy medium on the center of gravity for the thing. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 18, 2012, 12:34:58 AM
>how to get a nose wheel in there somewhere and how far back would the wings need to be moved in order to find a happy medium on the center of gravity for the thing.  <

I think the "key" is to extend the forward fuselage.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 18, 2012, 03:33:21 AM
Maybe make the nosewhel also rotate 90 degrees to lie flat upon retraction.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 18, 2012, 04:14:45 AM
Maybe make the nosewhel also rotate 90 degrees to lie flat upon retraction.

Should be room enough up front for the nose wheel but trying to keep the fuselage at the original length is the challenge.  Making it longer to accommodate the nose wheel and to address any center of gravity issues seems to be the challenge for my project.  Making it longer is of course the quick solution but one that I was trying to avoid. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Daryl J. on February 18, 2012, 05:14:03 AM
How far back in the nacelles can the main gear go?
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on February 18, 2012, 06:10:32 AM
Or even make a "nosewheel Mossie"!!??

I was wondering about that myself with the scale-o-rama/kit bash of the 48th and 32nd scale Mosquito kits as a way to really make it different aside from the "super-sizing" was how to get a nose wheel in there somewhere and how far back would the wings need to be moved in order to find a happy medium on the center of gravity for the thing.

I don't think you'd have to move the wing at all Jeff, if you consider the Shackleton.  It's basically a Lancaster on tricycle u/c.  All you would need to do is move the main gear leg hinge to the rear spar and then use a P-61 size of front leg.

On my De Havilland DH.101 project (the Sabre Mosquito) some RW drawings of it given to me by Tony Buttler show it even was to have a single leg for the main gear so you could use all the u/c from a P-61
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 18, 2012, 06:59:15 AM
Or even make a "nosewheel Mossie"!!??

I was wondering about that myself with the scale-o-rama/kit bash of the 48th and 32nd scale Mosquito kits as a way to really make it different aside from the "super-sizing" was how to get a nose wheel in there somewhere and how far back would the wings need to be moved in order to find a happy medium on the center of gravity for the thing.

I don't think you'd have to move the wing at all Jeff, if you consider the Shackleton.  It's basically a Lancaster on tricycle u/c.  All you would need to do is move the main gear leg hinge to the rear spar and then use a P-61 size of front leg.

On my De Havilland DH.101 project (the Sabre Mosquito) some RW drawings of it given to me by Tony Buttler show it even was to have a single leg for the main gear so you could use all the u/c from a P-61

Sounds like a plan! 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 19, 2012, 03:46:57 AM
test turret


Two views of the trial turret installation:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/scan0003.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/scan0002-1.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 28, 2012, 07:27:43 AM
I am thinking of doing a Mossie-ish aircraft using the post-war, jet-powered Ilyushin Il-28 as a basis, adding Mossie nose, substituting Mossie tail (keep rear turret???) adding the wingspan of Big Gimper's project, "nose-wheeling" it, and making the large-diameter jets of the Ilyushin into "annular radiator" Sabre inline engines (looking remarkably like Ju-88 nacelles with "British" exhausts)!

Such delightful madness!  :-\
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: tsrjoe on July 24, 2012, 03:13:10 AM
DeHavilland's design for a Halford engined 'jet Mosquito' ...

cheers, Joe
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 08, 2013, 08:13:55 AM
Words can not describe the feelings I have for such a wonderful aircraft as the Mosquito.  Watching this video makes me wish I had one of my own. 

Mossie Photo Mission by Scott Slocum (https://youtu.be/Xvp2AeM68iM)

Really had no idea how small the cockpit on the Mosquito actually was until I watched this video.  Not a lot of room with two people stuffed in there. 






***Edit to fix broken You[Douche]Tube link.--jjf
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 08, 2013, 09:25:17 AM
Amazing. It is access to items like this make the Internet a good thing.

For those who live near Ontario, Canada, KA114 is scheduled to be at the Hamilton Airshow (http://www.hamiltonairshow.com/) in June. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Empty Handed on January 08, 2013, 07:20:07 PM
Thanks for that video. A truly amazing aircraft!
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 09, 2013, 12:25:28 AM
Another video:

Flying DH Mosquito KA114. (https://youtu.be/rGfQQWOsoB8)





***Edit to fix broken You[Douche]Tube link.--jjf
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Logan Hartke on January 09, 2013, 12:44:17 AM
As long as we're posting YouTube Mosquito videos, I've got to post this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZq-tlJTrU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZq-tlJTrU)

Maybe it could inspire some of the upcoming sci-fi builds.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Cliffy B on January 09, 2013, 03:03:00 AM
Nice  ;D

Man, all of those airworthy Mosquitoes....... 8)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: raafif on October 10, 2015, 12:04:35 PM
the "Vihuri" was a Finnish project to build a copy of the Mosquito (pattern aircraft captured & provided by Germany) to be powered by DB engines.

Here fitted with engine from a He-219 ....
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12096584_942369139189560_7274557798192688354_n.jpg?oh=b5bbb0151a1dce87d2b0d5369173fbe7&oe=569C0882)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: jcf on October 10, 2015, 12:39:07 PM
It wouldn't have used He 219 nacelles.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on October 10, 2015, 10:10:23 PM
It would probably looked more like a Calquin

Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 10, 2015, 10:14:03 PM
the "Vihuri" was a Finnish project to build a copy of the Mosquito (pattern aircraft captured & provided by Germany) to be powered by DB engines.


Does anyone have proof that this was a real project?  I have my doubts.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Daryl J. on October 16, 2015, 04:47:13 AM
I still think the fuselage can be converted into a great looking Koi-like fish.  :-\ :-*  ;D
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 25, 2015, 04:50:44 AM
test turret


Two views of the trial turret installation:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/scan0003.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/scan0002-1.jpg[/url])


Another view of the turret:

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Mossie%20turret.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Volkodav on December 25, 2015, 10:09:03 PM
Coincidently I have been reading a bit on the history of the Mossie trying to workout a timeline to get Australian production started simultaneously or even ahead of UK production. 

Thinking along the lines of the very things that concerned the Air Ministry and RAF, i.e. lack of defensive armament could actually have been an advantage in Australia, in addition to the use of non-strategic materials and the use of traditional woodworking skills.  Perhaps combined with Australian licence manufacture of the RR Merlin for the Hawker Australia Hurricanes there could have been Mosquitoes in limited RAAF service as heavy fighter, PR and bomber, may be even a torpedo bomber or dive bomber variant, prior to February 1942.  Still top secret, they could have been rushed to the North prior to Japans attack, aided in the defence of Darwin and maybe located then launched a counter attack against the carriers.

Is any of this possible on the time lines involved?  I know the idea of the Mosquito evolved from militarised variants of the Comet an Albatross.  An idea I had was Australia could have been interested in local production of a General Reconnaissance (GR) version of the Albatross, then as war approached a bomber version could have been investigated, to which De Havilland could have responded, "well actually there is something suitable we have been working on..."  Assuming the originally planned Blenheim project had gone ahead earlier, including heavy fighter and reconnaissance variants that were obviously in urgent need of replacement by early 1940, there could easily have been justification for Australia providing super priority to the mosquito.  This would have made sense especially as it would not have made significant demands on the existing aircraft production capacity which would have been switching to the Beaufort or even Beaufighter, by then.

Anyway, RAAF 1941/42 heavy fighter, PR, unarmed bomber, possibly torpedo bomber and attack (Molins gun or 40mm cannon)versions.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on December 25, 2015, 11:21:03 PM
Not sure you could have got it into production any earlier, according to the Sharp/Bowyer book, Britain only got 20 built in 1941 and Australian production go-ahead was given in March 1942
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 26, 2015, 03:44:03 AM
An alternate scenario that might work is this:

"The construction of the prototype began in March 1940, but work was cancelled again after the Battle of Dunkirk, when Lord Beaverbrook, as Minister of Aircraft Production, decided there was no production capacity for aircraft like the DH.98, which was not expected to be in service until early 1941. Lord Beaverbrook and the Air Staff ordered that production focus on five existing types, namely the Supermarine Spitfire, Hawker Hurricane, Vickers Wellington, Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley and the Bristol Blenheim. Work on the DH.98 prototype stopped; it seemed that the project would be shut down when the design team were denied the materials with which to build their prototype. 

The Mosquito was given new life in July 1940, after de Havilland's General Manager L.C.L Murray, decided to transfer development to one of its subsidiaries in either Australia or Canada.  With the de Havilland Canada already committed to production of DH.82 Tiger Moth trainer aircraft to support the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, Australia was quickly chosen.  This seemed a doubly prudent move given the impending fears of invasion in the UK.  As it was, during the Battle of Britain, interruptions to normal production due to air raid warnings caused nearly a third of de Havilland's factory time to be lost. 

In November 1941, the Australian de Havilland factory at Bankstown commenced production of the first Mosquito prototype. Initial delays were caused by the unavailability of Canadian birchwood, and Australian coachwood had to be substituted.  The Australian team were greatly assisted by a contingent of British engineers and technicians led by Test Pilot Geoffrey de Havilland, Jr.  The first aircraft would fly on 1st April 1941, with de Havilland himself at the controls,.  This was an incredible achievement given the timeframe involved.

Initial production was split between RAF and RAAF requirements with the former receiving priority.  The Air Ministry ordered 19 photo-reconnaissance (PR) models and 176 fighters. A further 50 were unspecified; in July 1941, the Air Ministry confirmed these would be unarmed fast bombers. By the end of January 1942, contracts had been awarded for 1,378 Mosquitos of all variants, including 20 T.III trainers and 334 FB.VI bombers..."

I will leave it to you to take further if you like...
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 26, 2015, 03:46:25 AM
Another interesting option might be if the USA took up production and ongoing development...
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 01, 2016, 03:47:06 AM
One you can get a conversion kit for:

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/SeaMosquito.jpg)
(http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/images/seamossiereviewbg_1.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 01, 2016, 07:22:27 AM
Very nice Greg. But is in the wrong scale.  :o
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Volkodav on January 01, 2016, 03:24:49 PM
A very simple whiff, the Sea Mosquito is ready in time to see service with the British Pacific Fleet, the question is what would it have flown from?  Maybe instead of working in a second hanger/half hanger on the already tight Armoured Fleet Carriers and a light unarmoured version of them they could have done an armoured flight deck (as opposed to hanger and flight on the Armoured Fleets) version of Ark Royal and a larger, light version of that instead on the Light Fleet Carriers.

Cheaper, easier and quicker to build as well as being able to operate larger aircraft.  The key specification to get them past the Admiralty and government could have been the need to operate Beauforts/Beaufighters, making Mosquitoes a synch.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on January 01, 2016, 10:04:50 PM
Paragon Designs did/does the Sea Mosquito in 1/72, got one in the stash. They might be hard to find these days though ---
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Volkodav on January 02, 2016, 12:55:08 AM
Seams like the Verlinden conversion is out of production too.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 02, 2016, 03:26:59 AM
Very nice Greg. But is in the wrong scale.  :o


No its not! ;)

Seams like the Verlinden conversion is out of production too.


I have one in the stash - they do come up for sale on Ebay relatively regularly.

Paragon Designs did/does the Sea Mosquito in 1/72, got one in the stash. They might be hard to find these days though ---


Indeed.  Alley Cat also did a 1/24 conversion:

(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/ac24005crk_1.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 17, 2017, 05:16:25 AM
A different option if one wished to make a turret armed mosquito would be to modify a TT Mk.35/TT  Mk.39:

(http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/MY/MY86-9/6-2.jpg)
(https://yooniqimages.blob.core.windows.net/yooniqimages-data-storage-resizedimagefilerepository/Detail/21631/79be48e7-a72b-423c-9e69-2b2bde630cfb/YooniqImages_216314308.jpg)
(https://yooniqimages.blob.core.windows.net/yooniqimages-data-storage-resizedimagefilerepository/Detail/21631/406b585d-54ba-4489-b022-36747548df82/YooniqImages_216314314.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 31, 2018, 05:19:41 AM
Cool:

(http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/News%20Stories%20P/Bite%20Me%21/BiteMe77.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 31, 2018, 05:21:26 AM
Random idea:  Mosquito with 75mm cannon from B-25
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Rickshaw on December 31, 2018, 06:05:12 AM
Random idea:  Mosquito with 75mm cannon from B-25

I suspect the structure would need to be considerably "beefed up" to accept the recoil...
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 31, 2018, 06:23:23 AM
Maybe.  Maybe a M10 (T15E1) 75 mm auto cannon from the XA-38 would also be suitable.

(https://oldmachinepress.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/xa-38-75-mm-cannon.jpg)(http://www.operatorchan.org/v/src/147552441473.jpg)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on December 31, 2018, 06:31:40 AM
Looking at the 4-engined Mossie further up the thread, De Havilland's actual proposal was the DH 101. An enlarged DH 98 but not exactly the same as I found out, and powered by two Napier Sabre engines with contra-props. It was supposed to carry 8000lb internally with one 1000lb bomb under each outer wing. The idea it would carry this load at minimum of 400 mph.

Here's a couple of pics of it that I got from Tony Buttler.

The bottom pic shows it compared with the DH 98 after I had scaled the pic to 1/72.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 17, 2019, 06:17:39 AM
Does anyone know of a Mk.XVIII TseTse converion for the Mosquito?  There was an ancient vacuum-formed conversion available ages ago but has there been any other more recent solutions offered 48th or 32nd scale?  I know that Matchbox offered the TseTse as an option in their 1:72nd scale Mosquito kit. 

Inspiration derived from this video: TSETSE the DH Mosquito Mk XVIII (https://youtu.be/pX-IxiZyGRk)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on August 17, 2019, 06:31:12 AM
Paragon did one in 1/48 Jeff

http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/paragon-designs-1-48-mosquito-fb-mk-xviii-molins-conversion.html (http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/paragon-designs-1-48-mosquito-fb-mk-xviii-molins-conversion.html)

And I think it was the Airfix 1/72 kit that had it as a option.

http://www.findmodelkit.com/content/dh-mosquito-mkiivixviii (http://www.findmodelkit.com/content/dh-mosquito-mkiivixviii)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 17, 2019, 06:39:21 AM
Thanks Robert.  A shame that Paragon is OOB.  Looks like a simple enough conversion to do on my own.  Plus I have plenty of Airfix and Revell (né Monogram) Mosquitos to thrash in the process. 
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Rickshaw on August 17, 2019, 11:27:00 AM
Airfix in one of their iterations of their 1/72 kit did a TseTse Mosquito IIRC.

There is also a conversion for a TseTse 1/48 Mosquito on Britmodeller (https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235034028-148-mosquito-xviii-tsetse/).
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 18, 2019, 02:54:21 AM
Paragon did one in 1/48 Jeff

[url]http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/paragon-designs-1-48-mosquito-fb-mk-xviii-molins-conversion.html[/url] ([url]http://www.relishmodels.co.uk/paragon-designs-1-48-mosquito-fb-mk-xviii-molins-conversion.html[/url])



I have one of these n the stash...I think.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: kitnut617 on April 20, 2021, 11:56:50 PM
While browsing SPF yesterday, I read an interesting thread about some trials for a 32 pdr cannon mounted in the Mosquito. It was to have a special muzzle brake called a Galliot
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: dy031101 on September 27, 2021, 12:49:40 PM
Thought experiment with DCS World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4w4wiC8kVE)......
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 18, 2022, 01:53:59 AM
Cool painting:

(https://www.philipewest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/132.Heroic-Endeavour.Web_.jpg)

https://www.philipewest.co.uk/product/heroic-endeavour/ (https://www.philipewest.co.uk/product/heroic-endeavour/)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: Frank3k on February 18, 2022, 02:23:25 AM
This scene is described in Captain Brown's "Wings on my Sleeve" - it was one of his earliest projects as a test pilot.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 03, 2022, 08:27:58 PM
Historic warplane to arrive in Kelowna next week.

Amid all the large passenger planes that land in Kelowna every day, a historic warplane will be landing at Kelowna International Airport (YLW) next week.

Weather permitting, the de Havilland 98 Mosquito will touch down at YLW on Monday (6th) around 11:15 am.

Will our ace west coast reporter "Sitka Spruce Stephen" be onsite to watch and write-up this event?

Sources:
https://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Kelowna/Historic_warplane_to_arrive_in_Kelowna_next_week/ (https://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Kelowna/Historic_warplane_to_arrive_in_Kelowna_next_week/)
https://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/kelownas-kf-centre-for-excellence-acquires-de-havilland-mosquito.html (https://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/kelownas-kf-centre-for-excellence-acquires-de-havilland-mosquito.html)
https://www.cahs.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=836:cathedral-of-wood-ingrained-with-history&catid=1172:june-2015 (https://www.cahs.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=836:cathedral-of-wood-ingrained-with-history&catid=1172:june-2015)

Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 02, 2022, 01:37:44 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/Turret_fighter-2.JPG)
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: The Big Gimper on May 23, 2023, 03:07:50 AM
Foundith on Facebookith

It's a DH Mosquito, but not as we know it. It's fitted with Lancaster Power Plants with Chin Radiators.

DD723 was fitted with these power plants to see if there was any performance differences compared with a standard Mosquito with radiators in the wing leading edge (these were faired in on D723)
Tests proved that there was very little difference in performance with the exception of rate of climb, which was slightly inferior.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52917676446_1828ac6f19_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oC9VzQ)
Mosquito-Lancaster-Nacelles-01 (https://flic.kr/p/2oC9VzQ) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: elmayerle on May 23, 2023, 01:28:57 PM
Looking at the 4-engined Mossie further up the thread, De Havilland's actual proposal was the DH 101. An enlarged DH 98 but not exactly the same as I found out, and powered by two Napier Sabre engines with contra-props. It was supposed to carry 8000lb internally with one 1000lb bomb under each outer wing. The idea it would carry this load at minimum of 400 mph.

Here's a couple of pics of it that I got from Tony Buttler.

The bottom pic shows it compared with the DH 98 after I had scaled the pic to 1/72.
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Looking back at this, it almost looks like you could use a 1/48 Mosquito fuselage as a starting point.
Title: Re: De Havilland Mosquito
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 05, 2023, 02:38:02 PM
Beaufighter   Mosquito

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/mosquito-beaufighter.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/mosquito-beaufighter.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds"")