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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #75 on: July 02, 2016, 07:50:03 PM »
The boxes are too big to smuggle in through household customs :(

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #76 on: July 02, 2016, 10:06:45 PM »
The boxes are too big to smuggle in through household customs :(

Can you bribe the customs officer?
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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2016, 10:10:15 PM »
The boxes are too big to smuggle in through household customs :(

Can you bribe the customs officer?

Nope, bribes no longer work.  Also the old saying "forgiveness is easier to get than permission", nope, permission or consequences.

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #78 on: July 02, 2016, 11:00:11 PM »
Send them to me & I'll forward them on as a "gift"! ;)
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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2016, 05:23:01 AM »
This is from the last time he tried to sneak models in...

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2016, 06:28:19 AM »
This is from the last time he tried to sneak models in...



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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #81 on: December 18, 2016, 03:23:04 AM »
Bit of inspiration for you:

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #82 on: December 18, 2016, 04:30:16 PM »
Many may already have seen this SAAB J 35 Draken Suomi in-memoriam video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWOINzyCLL4



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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #83 on: August 17, 2017, 12:29:01 PM »
I was looking through the IAPJ sidebar on what-if Draken variants and I noted that the J79-powered version had a shorter back end without a tail bumper.  Methinks the old Revell kit, which lacks same, might be a good starting place to model such a variant.

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #84 on: August 18, 2017, 02:21:33 AM »
I was looking through the IAPJ sidebar on what-if Draken variants and I noted that the J79-powered version had a shorter back end without a tail bumper.  Methinks the old Revell kit, which lacks same, might be a good starting place to model such a variant.

Refer to Post #52 in this thread for an image of the proposed J79 version.
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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2017, 03:58:12 AM »
I was looking through the IAPJ sidebar on what-if Draken variants and I noted that the J79-powered version had a shorter back end without a tail bumper.  Methinks the old Revell kit, which lacks same, might be a good starting place to model such a variant.
The old Revell is a whiff in a box: out of scale and absolutely filled with (recessed) rivets, so any modifications can only make it better.

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2017, 04:25:33 AM »
Quick 'n dirty notion.

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #87 on: October 01, 2017, 04:56:56 AM »
Not quite a Saab Draken I know but where else to put this?


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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #88 on: October 01, 2017, 06:09:47 PM »
There's definitely some Draken DNA in that one.

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #89 on: July 18, 2018, 08:11:05 PM »
My take on a Draken upgrade. Mitsubishi F-1 wings. BAe Hawk horizontal stabilizers. And other goodies not yet finalized.


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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #90 on: July 18, 2018, 08:16:07 PM »
That's looking very anime sci-fi, TBG! :smiley:
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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #91 on: July 18, 2018, 08:33:31 PM »
Carl !    :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #92 on: July 18, 2018, 08:39:32 PM »
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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2018, 01:35:40 AM »
My take on a Draken upgrade. Mitsubishi F-1 wings. BAe Hawk horizontal stabilizers. And other goodies not yet finalized.
If I may be so bold as to suggest, possibly extend the nose a bit and reshape it to take a larger radome, form something like a Phantom or even a Viggen. The Draken suffered from insufficient sensor capability at the end of it's life and a good update would be a larger, better radar and the ability to fire things like the AIM-120 or Meteor.

Change the exhaust to something like the petalled exhaust of the F-100/F-110 better performance, more range.

Just spitballin' here...  :D  ;)

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2018, 03:45:46 AM »
My take on a Draken upgrade. Mitsubishi F-1 wings. BAe Hawk horizontal stabilizers. And other goodies not yet finalized.
If I may be so bold as to suggest, possibly extend the nose a bit and reshape it to take a larger radome, form something like a Phantom or even a Viggen. The Draken suffered from insufficient sensor capability at the end of it's life and a good update would be a larger, better radar and the ability to fire things like the AIM-120 or Meteor.

Change the exhaust to something like the petalled exhaust of the F-100/F-110 better performance, more range.

Just spitballin' here...  :D  ;)

Paul

Good spit balls.

Saab already selected the Carlsberg Group OM79 engine. The Carlsberg beer company of Denmark (J35 users (the Airforce, not the beer company)) was looking to diversify it's business. It asked it franchises to keep an eye open for any opportunities. .

The Swedish office found one in the Draken Plus program. The Swedish Carlsberg team using it's resources from it's beer division learned from beer loving Svenska flygvapnet pilots about the Draken Plus project and they were looking for a new engine. They took this information back to Copenhagen where it was discovered some parts of the beer brewing process could be used to enhance engine performance.

After some trial and error, Carlsberg was able to increase J79 performance by 10% with a only a 5% change in design. They proposed the design to Saab who liked it. Carlsberg got the contract and we now have a licensed built PW J79 engine, OM79. OM being ölmotor or beer engine.

Okay. I had a left over J79 exhaust from a F-4 and I glued it  on. Can't back-out now.


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The nose is about 2 feet scale  / 9mm across so I need to find a radome which is similar in dimension. Any ideas?



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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2018, 04:19:18 AM »
Don't get tied to a small radome Carl, you can always re-profile the fuselage just behind it if you use a bigger one.

Like I've done on my Eagle F.1 where I've used a Tornado F.3 nose. I've cut slits back down the fuselage so I can prize the plastic out a bit to suit the radome diameter, just a matter of PSR after that

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2018, 09:12:18 AM »
I think I have it. F-20 Tigershark nose with the AN/APG-67. No guns.


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Says Wikipedia:

The AN/APG-67 is a multi-mode all-digital X band coherent pulse doppler radar originally developed by General Electric for the Northrop F-20 Tigershark program of the early 1980s. It offers a variety of air-to-air, air-to-ground, sea-search and mapping modes, and compatibility with most weapons used by the US Air Force in the 1980s.
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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #97 on: July 20, 2018, 04:28:49 AM »
Great stuff! Especially the Ale Motor backstory  ;D If you're looking for a Flygvapnet designation for your AN/APG-67, how about PS-04/A? (There must have been a PS-04/A concept between the Draken and Gripen radar sets ... But I can't find mention of one!)
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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #98 on: October 26, 2018, 09:01:02 AM »
Will it get off the ground?

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Re: Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2018, 11:59:00 AM »
Will it get off the ground?


Only after an absurdly long takeoff run.  I bet using all those hard points at one would detrimentally affect handling.