Author Topic: DHC-4 Caribou and DHC-5 Buffalo Inspiration (Read 8479 times)

The Big Gimper · « **on:** October 11, 2015, 01:09:20 AM »

Found these pictures of a Cari-Turbo-bou over at Global Aviation Resource:

Article can be found here: Aviation News – DHC-4A and MC-130H operations at Eagle County Regional Airport.

elmayerle · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2015, 04:57:40 AM »

Now *that* is interesting. I really wonder what engines are fitted and exactly what the top of the nacelles looks like (that appears to be where the exhausts are).

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:03:44 AM »

The article stated:

In 1994 it was converted with PT6A-67T turbines at Penn Turbo Aviation, and gained FAA certification in 2001.
N600NC is ex-Kenyan Air Force, delivered in 1965. In 1986 it was flown to Malta for storage, alongside many others for New Cal Aviation, before being flown to Cape May, NJ, for storage and possible future turbine conversion.

Here is the website for Pen Turbo. Lots more pictures.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:09:56 AM »

Quote from: elmayerle on October 11, 2015, 04:57:40 AM

Now *that* is interesting. I really wonder what engines are fitted and exactly what the top of the nacelles looks like (that appears to be where the exhausts are).

Now that website really shows how the exhaust is routed -- I have to do one like that --

Volkodav · « **Reply #4 on:** October 11, 2015, 02:40:30 PM »

The RAAF (probably more like some private contractors) were looking at turbo prop conversions for their Caribous, on and off, for a couple of decades.

KiwiZac · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2015, 05:47:26 AM »

An RAAF turbine Bou would be cool...how cheap are those AModel 1/144 kits?

Weaver · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2015, 06:57:48 AM »

Quote from: KiwiZac on October 13, 2015, 05:47:26 AM

An RAAF turbine Bou would be cool...how cheap are those AModel 1/144 kits?

About £17 retail in the UK, although you can find them cheaper at shows. I've got the ACLS Buffalo and I doubt whether I paid that much for it (although I can't actually remember).

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2015, 10:13:38 AM »

Modelsua (Ivan) sells them for about $14-18 USD.

http://modelsua.com/Buffalo-C-8.html

http://modelsua.com/De-Havilland-C-7A-Caribou-1-144-Amodel-1412.html

http://modelsua.com/CC-115.html

http://modelsua.com/XC-8A-Buffalo-USAF-aircraft.html

I can vouch for Iavn. Good seller. He will flatten your kits to reduce shipping costs.

Ivan Kolenko
info@modelsua.com

kitnut617 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2015, 05:24:17 PM »

Combat Models do a 1/72 Buffalo, plus there's the Hobbycraft 1/72 Caribous,

KiwiZac · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2015, 05:58:49 AM »

Thanks 617, but 1/144 is enough for me! Although I bet the Hobbycraft kit can be had for about the same price as the AModel ones!

Thanks for the heads-up on Ivan, Mr Gimper.

elmayerle · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2015, 08:19:59 AM »

A casual search finds both Oz-Mods and A-Model 1/144 kits available on eBay.

KiwiZac · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2015, 06:13:56 AM »

Thanks Evan, I'll take a look tonight.

M.A.D · « **Reply #12 on:** October 17, 2015, 12:30:27 PM »

A little off topic gent's, but I must say I miss the Wombat/Bou immensely

I think it a grave loss that the Caribou never adopted the turboprop as a natural progression!
Although I spent quite some time in and out of Bou's, can anyone tell me if the DHC-5 Buffalo, being bigger and heavier than the Caribou, did it have the similar take off and landing (STOL) performance of the Caribou?

M.A.D

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #13 on:** October 17, 2015, 06:32:23 PM »

From the Internet (your mileage may vary). Variable include weight, distance to clear a 50' obstacle etc. These are my interpretations.

DHC-4:
Takeoff: 725 feet (221m) at 28,500 pounds. Clear 50 ft (15 m) obstacle 1185 feet (361m)
Landing: 525 feet (160m) at 26,000 pounds. Clear 50 ft (15 m) obstacle 1235 feet (376m)

DHC-5:
Takeoff: 1,040 feet (317m) at 41,000 pounds (18,598kg) on grass. No data if this includes clearing the 50' obstacle.
Landing: 610 feet (186m) at normal landing weight on grass. No data if this includes clearing the 50' obstacle.

Found this: DHC-4 Original Sales Brochure (PDF)

M.A.D · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2015, 12:32:24 PM »

Quote from: The Big Gimper on October 17, 2015, 06:32:23 PM

From the Internet (your mileage may vary). Variable include weight, distance to clear a 50' obstacle etc. These are my interpretations.

DHC-4:
Takeoff: 725 feet (221m) at 28,500 pounds. Clear 50 ft (15 m) obstacle 1185 feet (361m)
Landing: 525 feet (160m) at 26,000 pounds. Clear 50 ft (15 m) obstacle 1235 feet (376m)

DHC-5:
Takeoff: 1,040 feet (317m) at 41,000 pounds (18,598kg) on grass. No data if this includes clearing the 50' obstacle.
Landing: 610 feet (186m) at normal landing weight on grass. No data if this includes clearing the 50' obstacle.

Found this: DHC-4 Original Sales Brochure (PDF)

Thank's a lot The Big Gimper!
Unfortunately the Buffalo doesn't look like it had the gut-turning take off performance (alas the stats you give have the Buffalo at almost double the weight!)
I've just always viewed the Buffalo as a natural successor to the Wombat/Bou! I don't really see the selection of the C-27J as a real successful successor to the Wombat/Bou and its amazing STOL capability! I'm hoping I will possibly find out in the foreseeable future

M.A.D

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2015, 02:57:00 AM »

Quote from: M.A.D on October 25, 2015, 12:32:24 PM

I don't really see the selection of the C-27J as a real successful successor to the Wombat/Bou and its amazing STOL capability!

You are picking out just a single feature of the platforms. The C27J was selected to a different specification and for a different role than the DHC-4. Moreover, it was selected to operate with an ADF some 50+ yrs removed from that in which the DHC-4 was to serve (the first RAAF DHC-4 being handed over Feb 1964 - the first C-27J arriving Jun 2015).

M.A.D · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2015, 05:39:10 PM »

For the sake of not the topic/forum, I do not want to get into a slogging match GTX. So I'll keep my opinion and experiences to myself

M.A.D

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2015, 05:20:17 AM »

Often when looking at a Caribou head on it looks like it is in the process of folding up its wings:

So why not accentuate this with real folding wings and make it a Naval COD bird - one wouldn't need arrestors...

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2015, 05:30:31 AM »

And with enough wind and the cruiser going all-out, it might just land and take-off again from the cruiser's heli-pad.

finsrin · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2015, 06:45:26 AM »

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on November 19, 2015, 05:30:31 AM

And with enough wind and the cruiser going all-out, it might just land and take-off again from the cruiser's heli-pad.

Letz see,,,, 1/4 fuel, no cargo or empty seats or nuttin in cargo bay, fresh tune-up on engines, lightest weight pilots in the service, cruiser just had hull cleaned for max possible speed.
Go ahead do it. Take lotz of video. Success or failure I will watch it several times.

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2015, 04:57:35 PM »

^ Killjoy!

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #21 on:** November 21, 2015, 03:34:42 AM »

Quote from: ChernayaAkula on November 19, 2015, 05:30:31 AM

And with enough wind and the cruiser going all-out, it might just land and take-off again from the cruiser's heli-pad.

Well, you know that we used to joke in the RAAF about the Caribou being the only aircraft to suffer birdstrike...from the rear!

elmayerle · « **Reply #22 on:** November 21, 2015, 04:04:10 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on November 21, 2015, 03:34:42 AM

Well, you know that we used to joke in the RAAF about the Caribou being the only aircraft to suffer birdstrike...from the rear!

I thought that was, and is, said about the A-10, too.


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Author Topic: DHC-4 Caribou and DHC-5 Buffalo Inspiration (Read 8479 times)