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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #100 on: September 10, 2017, 02:05:22 AM »
The Radab Windex motorglider of 1985 (see http://www.windex.se/images/windex-pic1.jpg ) was the first popular single-engined landplane with the engine as tractor in the tail, but the future promised to show this everywhere:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #101 on: September 15, 2017, 11:26:27 AM »
When in 1971 was flying the Brditschka HB-3 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brditschka_HB-3 or http://jn.passieux.free.fr/images/Hb23_2.jpg ) the future seems to change: this was the best layout that every aircraft will feature:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #102 on: September 15, 2017, 01:05:54 PM »
In 1955 flew the Rheinflug RW-3 Multoplane (see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinflug_RW-3 and http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/6833.jpg ) with a propeller inside the fin, and this was so good an idea, this was the example to follow everywhere in the future for sure!

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2017, 10:02:23 PM »
Not only North American but also Lockheed was ready to follow the steps (into the future) of the Multoplane (RW-38A), Brditschka (HB-38), Waco Aristocrat (WA-38):

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2017, 04:46:49 AM »
The last ones are quite impressive Cristophe . :smiley:
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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #105 on: September 17, 2017, 03:59:09 PM »
Thanks!

And I have found in my collection a book that I had forgotten: "the World's strangest aircraft" (by Michael Taylor, Grange Books). I guess many (unconfirmed) futures are there inside... ;)
Somewhere I have also "Macchine bizzare nella storia del' aviazione", but the probability to find it soon is low. ???

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #106 on: September 17, 2017, 07:51:11 PM »
I have shown (in this topic) several projects of Mustangs/Lightnings with tandem wings, but… the Westland P.12 “Delanne-Lysander” (Wendover) of 1941 was different: it was showing what will be the future for military airplanes (including light ones): a tandem wing with wing-tips’ fins leaving the rear for a defense post:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #107 on: September 17, 2017, 10:19:11 PM »
After the Short Mayo Composite flew in 1938, it was clear that this layout will be the future winner of the skies. Postal Mustangs will be like that: a 4-engined big carrier-plane will have the fuel for take-off, climbing and half-range, than the little part will be released for the rest of the way (and landing, delivery of the mail): Mayo Mus-Mus composite.

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #108 on: September 17, 2017, 10:43:22 PM »
a 4-engined big carrier-plane will have the fuel for take-off, climbing and half-range, than the little part will be released for the rest of the way
I know this seems stupid because if the carrier have enough fuel to come back home (from half-way), it seems it has enough fuel for finishing the second half of the travel with no need of another part but... this is due to opposite winds: coming back is easy, pushed by tail winds, while facing opposite winds require much more fuel.
Ahem, is that a good explanation? ??? (or the design was refused because stupid, or it was not release at half-way but at 15%...)

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #109 on: September 17, 2017, 11:58:25 PM »
The future was well written by innovative prototypes: see the XC-138 Packning (following XC-120 Packplane), CL-138 Tilt-ning (following CL-84 Tilt-wing), Hosning (following Hosking Pitts):

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #110 on: September 18, 2017, 01:57:57 AM »
When, in 1940, flew the Belyayev DB-LK, Soviet journalists said this genius design will be copied in the future by the damned capitalists:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #111 on: September 22, 2017, 12:18:22 PM »
In 1938 flew the asymmetric Bv-141, with high success, and the future seemed clear: "in a World of peace (and love, and $), Blohm und Voss' engineer Vogt will be invited in this whole world to improve local aircraft design, giving them formidable nose power and rear defense"...

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #112 on: September 22, 2017, 03:56:56 PM »

 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2017, 01:06:45 AM »
Uh? Why 3 smiles? Should I answer Thanks thanks thanks! ;) ;) ;)
Or... Is this 3 circles, like 3 jet air intakes? (on some future project of the past)
Yes, good idea!:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #114 on: September 23, 2017, 07:11:12 PM »
The Kaman H-43 Huskie, flying in 1953, made popular the “bifida” layout: 2 booms installed high on a pod, holding a tail. This was announcing a future like that everywhere, for helicopters, airplanes, autogiros.

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #115 on: September 26, 2017, 01:57:33 AM »
Really like the Wendover-inspired Mustangs!   8)

The P-51Bv is also cool.  :smiley: Maybe a second engine in pusher configuration behind the pilot?
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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #116 on: September 27, 2017, 01:49:58 AM »
The P-51Bv is also cool.  :smiley: Maybe a second engine in pusher configuration behind the pilot?
Yes! Thanks!:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #117 on: September 27, 2017, 09:04:44 PM »
^ Ooooh, but that is lovely!  :-*
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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #118 on: September 27, 2017, 11:52:26 PM »

yes indeed, and both bv and bv2 are quite buildable

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #119 on: October 02, 2017, 02:05:17 AM »

yes indeed, and both bv and bv2 are quite buildable

Indeed!

Delightful as always, Tophe!

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #120 on: October 02, 2017, 11:59:50 AM »
Thanks!

And in 1940 flew the SNCASE SE-700 autogyro, and now the future seemed clear: "after the first steps of the autogyro, now the success is coming, worldwide, this is the aircraft principle of the future!"

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #121 on: October 03, 2017, 01:04:54 AM »
In 1942, when entered service the Heinkel He-111Z, this was announcing the future: "every twin-engined airplane will be doubled this way, into a 5-engined powerful derivative!" Lockheed will copy and invent other derivatives maybe.

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #122 on: October 14, 2017, 08:57:07 PM »
The future was well written by innovative prototypes: see the XC-138 Packning (following XC-120 Packplane

Of course, after the XC-138 would have come the XC-238A (empty and loaded), XC-238J...:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2017, 12:26:01 AM »
The Bugatti 100 was so great, it was showing the future for sure. For instance, Rolls Royce refusing the nose engine of the Mustang will probably build a derivative of the Bugatti:

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Re: Retrofuture Lightnings & Mustangs
« Reply #124 on: October 15, 2017, 12:49:04 AM »
Somewhere I have also "Macchine bizzare nella storia del' aviazione", but the probability to find it soon is low. ???
Thanks to the time extension, I found this book again, thanks!

And the XF5F Skyrocket, so different from usual twin-engined planes of its time, was introducing a brand new future for fighters: