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Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« on: March 03, 2012, 08:17:08 AM »
Hi folks,

A thread dedicated to your Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration.

to begin with, how about some US Sunderlands...maybe built under licence.  Anyone up for some inspiring profiles?

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 08:19:23 AM »
Another idea might be some Sunderlands modified post war to turbo-prop power (I imagine something like a RR Dart)...after all the RNZAF for one flew theirs through to the mid '60s.

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 10:49:36 AM »
Ooo..Post war Turboprop SAR Sunderland, RCAF Arctic scheme.

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2012, 06:55:22 AM »
Darts anyone ---

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 11:23:11 AM »
... how about some US Sunderlands...


http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg11087#msg11087

Not licence-built but Reverse Lend-Lease USN Sunderland. BTW: Supermarine was given an 'S' makers code by the US Navy (along with Sikorsky/Vought-Sikorsky) so I assumed that Short would be 'S' as well.

I also did a post-WWII USCG Sunderland -- although I've got no plausible scenario for why a Reverse Lend-Lease aircraft was retained so long  ;D
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 07:06:03 AM »
BTW: Supermarine was given an 'S' makers code by the US Navy (along with Sikorsky/Vought-Sikorsky) so I assumed that Short would be 'S' as well.

The same code was only assigned in cases where the different manufacturers' types didn't overlap,
as people weren't likely to confuse a Stearman trainer (N2S) with a Sikorsky flying boat (PBS) with a
Supermarine fighter (FS).

So, assigning 'S' for Shorts would be unlikely, and even if they did, a PB2S would have to be a second
Patrol Bomber from Sikorsky, not a first of type from Shorts.

In 1922 Blackburn, De Havilland, Handley-Page, Parnall and Vickers had 'two-letter' codes assigned,
respectively BS, DH, HP, PL and VK, so I suppose a revival of that scheme could generate a code of SB
for Short Brothers.
In that case a Sunderland I, II or III for the USN could be a PBSB-1, 2, 3; and a Sunderland V a PB2SB-1.

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p.s. so while thinking about hypothetical two-letter codes how about the rest of the Brit manufacturers:
    AS = Airspeed
    AW = Armstrong Whitworth
    AV = Avro
    BR = Bristol
    BP = Boulton-Paul
    EE = English Electric
    FY = Fairey
    GL = Gloster
    HK = Hawker
    MA = Miles
    SA = Saunders Roe/SARO
    WL = Westland
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2012, 02:09:03 PM »
After winning the Megamillions, this is the machine I'd outfit for private fishing trips in the American west, complete with a Willys compatible door and floor.    :)
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 02:48:58 AM »
Updated Sunderland with turboprops and MAD boom instead of rear turret.  Updated radar and all turrets/guns removed.  Maybe even find a way to drop sonobouys - probably from the underwing bomb racks...the ones that could be extended/retracted in flight.
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 04:20:39 AM »
Updated Sunderland with turboprops and MAD boom instead of rear turret.  Updated radar and all turrets/guns removed.  Maybe even find a way to drop sonobouys - probably from the underwing bomb racks...the ones that could be extended/retracted in flight.

Erm! hello ----  ;)

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 06:05:42 AM »
this is the machine I'd outfit for private fishing trips in the American west  :)


I had Air Freddie use some for his private resort transport ...
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 03:49:10 PM »
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Erm! hello ----  ;)

I was going to join in on the 'All Floaty Things' GB, but nobody got back to me if I could continue on with this.

Mine is going to be similar but of a larger scale... ;)
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 11:43:23 PM »
I was going to join in on the 'All Floaty Things' GB, but nobody got back to me if I could continue on with this.

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2015, 10:19:24 AM »
I know its a bit of a 'Bump' but I've seen this and thought 'how good is this?'

http://jflaxman.deviantart.com/art/Escape-from-Devil-s-Maw-470505998

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2015, 10:33:57 AM »
I know its a bit of a 'Bump' but I've seen this and thought 'how good is this?'

http://jflaxman.deviantart.com/art/Escape-from-Devil-s-Maw-470505998


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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2015, 11:55:58 AM »
Interesting
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2015, 12:56:51 AM »
Give it NEI markings and call it the Flying Dutchman.  ;D

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 09:52:07 PM »
After seeing this thread I could help myself...........

This scheme has been kicking around on other site but as I have only very recently found this one.....I may as well post it here as well.

.......still waiting for someone to take the challenge and build it!!



Not sure if the engines are capable enough to get it off the deck so to speak....but turbo props?

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2015, 02:04:20 AM »
Tempting...
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2015, 08:03:42 PM »
To me, the Sunderland would have made a perfect platform for a maritime gunship and could have been a flying boat ancestor of the AC-130.

Plenty of fuel for long loiter times, tons of room for big guns and associated ammunition and a bunch of portholes down either side that could be converted to gun or sighting ports.

You could have wreaked serious havoc on Axis shipping in wherever it might be, not to mention what you could do to their ports and other coastal installations.

It was also a very strongly built aircraft known for being well able to defend itself. Change the nose and tail turrets to a pair of 20mm cannons each and the Axis fighters can have that much more trouble taking one down.
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2015, 08:21:20 PM »
Well the story goes that the Germans called the Sunderland the flying porcupine, don't know if this is true or allied propaganda.  A gunship version would fit that description otherwise it would be fun to do something that more closely fits the porcupine story.  Maybe multiple .50cal turrets and maybe some 20mm cannon thrown in.

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2015, 08:34:34 PM »
Install two Molins 57mm cannons to keep the U-Boat 20mm crew heads down during the attack run. Lots of storage space for the shells.
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2015, 11:28:28 PM »
I had made progress with mine (top pic), but then got ambitious (bottom pic)  it's in limbo at the moment while my mind wandered off on other things

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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2015, 03:41:56 AM »
To me, the Sunderland would have made a perfect platform for a maritime gunship and could have been a flying boat ancestor of the AC-130.

Plenty of fuel for long loiter times, tons of room for big guns and associated ammunition and a bunch of portholes down either side that could be converted to gun or sighting ports.



The under wing hatches used for deploying weapons (seen in the pics below) could present an ideal location:


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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2015, 03:47:31 AM »
What about a Sunderland with more powerful engines?  Maybe R2600s or R2800s or even Bristol Centaurus?
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Re: Short Sunderland Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2015, 04:10:16 AM »
What about a Sunderland with more powerful engines?  Maybe R2600s or R2800s or even Bristol Centaurus?

You're beginning to sound like Lawrence Wackett.  ;)