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How about a Canberra-eske Ju-88:



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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 06:58:45 AM »
Tri-motor Ju88:

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 06:59:31 AM »
Ju488 derived from Ju88A:

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 12:31:32 PM »
I don't know why, but Warhammer 40K Marauder and Marauder Destroyer keep on getting me to think of basing real-life counterparts upon Ju 288 and 388...... and to wonder what the biggest machine cannon would be that could be used on a flexible gun mount......
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 12:38:08 PM »
A Wellington bomber was tested with 40mm armed turrets, but I'd think that as a turretted weapon, 40mm would be about the most reasonable.

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 12:46:58 PM »
I wonder how Flak M43 37mm would do since navweaps.com describes it as a modified MK 103......  :want:
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 01:44:00 PM »
The Mk 103 was of comparable weight to the Vickers S gun.  Interesting in itself with the former being 30mm whilst the latter was a 40mm weapon.   I suspect a Flak gun would be substantially heavier due to its ground mount.  For a turreted weapon, I shouldn't think the refinements of the Flak gun would be necessary and a Mk 103 would be sufficient.  The more important question would be if the weapon had the ability to be slewed about for efficient anti-fighter work, which I suspect wouldn't be the case.

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 10:01:51 PM »
Tri-motor Ju88:




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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2011, 03:57:50 AM »
The Mk 103 was of comparable weight to the Vickers S gun.  Interesting in itself with the former being 30mm whilst the latter was a 40mm weapon.


To its credit the Vickers S does seem lighter than the Flak M43 (I don't know the exact extent of the modification done to fire the heavier 37mm round, but the gun seems scaled up from the original MK 103).

I suspect a Flak gun would be substantially heavier due to its ground mount.  For a turreted weapon, I shouldn't think the refinements of the Flak gun would be necessary and a Mk 103 would be sufficient.  The more important question would be if the weapon had the ability to be slewed about for efficient anti-fighter work, which I suspect wouldn't be the case.


Flak M43 on its lightest naval mount can be trained by shoulder stirrup but elevated via a handwheel (probably to keep the stirrup on the operator's shoulders during high-angle firing).  Granted that still doesn't quite telll us about how fast the gun can swing.
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2011, 04:28:04 AM »
Bah!  Let's not worry about the physics/practicalities!  Model it! :D
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2011, 04:29:26 AM »
Does anyone know of any Ju288 kits in 1/48?

As one of the biggest programs during the war (Bomber B), there is surprisingly little published on it and even less in the way of models.

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2011, 04:30:55 AM »
Here is what I think the Games Workshop configurations can be translated into......

"Marauder Imitation" (basic medium bomber and air-to-ground interdiction version):

1 x 37mm M43 (at least modified for belt feed?) on the nose position (counterpart to the turreted twin lascannon)

1 x twin MG 151/20 or MG 213 on the dorsal position (counterpart to the turreted twin heavy bolter)

1 x twin MG 151/20 or MG 213 on the tail position (counterpart to the turreted twin heavy bolter)

"Marauder Destroyer Imitation" (CAS version):

4 x MK 103, fixed forward-firing in the nose (counterpart to the six fixed autocannons)

1 x twin MG 151/20 or MG 213 on the dorsal position (counterpart to the turreted twin heavy bolter)

1 x twin MK 108 on the tail position (counterpart to the turreted twin assault cannon; these are intended not primarily to fend off pursuing enemy fighters but to "hose down" the enemy and make them keep their heads down after an attack pass)

And twin tail as well as maybe jet conversion for both.
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 04:29:22 PM »
Adaptation of Greg's Ju 488 - the Ju 488Z-1:

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 12:55:41 PM »
All those illustrations are inspiring. 
Feeds into my idea processor where things get kinda jumbled.  As will be evident when current bomber bash rolls out of the factory for photographs.
Thanks for posting them.  Do appreciate it.

Bill

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2011, 01:53:02 AM »
No good art for it yet, but I've been thinking about a turbo-prop version of the Ju88 and/or '388. Part of the problem is the lack of a credible engine. I want to avoid the HeS011-based versions, as the engine would never really pan out in RL. A quick fix whiff could be a second turbine stage on the 003 or 004 jets to drive a prop. Or, for more whiffery, a development out of the 006, using the idea of the variable turbine stator, use it for a second turbine stage instead to take advantage of the potential variable power output. The 006 would be an interesting engine in general. Smaller in diameter and lighter than the 004 but with nearly the same power, at least potentially.

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2012, 02:21:20 PM »
Random idea: Ju88 or Ju188 floatplane as a replacement for the He-115.
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2012, 12:27:23 PM »
Random idea: Ju88 or Ju188 floatplane as a replacement for the He-115.

Can anyone recommend a solution for the floats for this idea...in 1/48?
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2012, 12:34:30 PM »
Well, does anyone do a conversion for the C-47 floatplane in 1/48?  Methinks that'd be close enough to work.

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2012, 12:45:01 PM »
A Ju-52 float plane conversion would also work....and I just found a supplier of a Ju-52 floatplane conversion in 1/48!!!
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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2012, 03:28:04 AM »
Have you considered a Ju-88 airliner? It'd look great in Ansett livery.

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2012, 06:35:30 PM »
Have you considered a Ju-88 airliner? It'd look great in Ansett livery.

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That's actually an interesting idea...maybe post war using a 188?
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2012, 03:23:26 AM »
Have you considered a Ju-88 airliner? It'd look great in Ansett livery.

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That's actually an interesting idea...maybe post war using a 188?

You know, the larger, glazed nose of a 188 would be perfect! Fly Ansett and really see Australia!

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2012, 06:27:41 AM »
Well, the later Ju-88 series became known for those marsupial-pouch belly panniers. How about going the whole hog (or, perhaps, wombat) ...
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2012, 07:25:01 AM »
Brilliant, apophenia! Add the sleek sstreamlining of spats and Bob's your uncle!

I really like the Junkers Australia logo. Those guys really got around.

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Re: Junkers Ju85, Ju88, Ju288, Ju388 and Ju488... Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2012, 08:32:35 AM »
RV Resins used to do an "airliner" in 1/72nd -- 2 early Ju-88s (the V-2 & V-6) were modded to test the new -188 nose design & had a glass fuselage roof for the flight-technicians.

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http://www.internetmodeler.com/2003/april/aviation/Ju88.htm