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Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:57:41 PM »
Hi folks,

Since Brian has got us all turning our sub models upside down and into airships, why not a dedicated thread.

To start with, here is one I did a while back as an Airship "corvette".



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Re: Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 01:23:02 PM »
Greg - what program do you use to make your profiles?

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Re: Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 06:55:13 PM »
Hi folks,

Since Brian has got us all turning our sub models upside down and into airships, why not a dedicated thread.

To start with, here is one I did a while back as an Airship "corvette".

Regards,

Greg

  Interesting concept an interceptor type airship. Although this sounds like a slip to ancient naval tactics, a combat airship might be better to have a ramming staff at the nose and tail, tipped with a mine. Maybe one at each compass point. Even if not used as intended, they would deter the opponent such a strike.

  Could be an interesting thread, what if no airfoils and everything is strictly lighter than air. Certainly would have made nuclear delivery outside of bounds...

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Re: Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 07:13:20 PM »
As long as we're toying the idea of racing large things, what might come of a thread on airship races, a lighter than air world-round speed classic?
 
More ways to get chinese sub kits out of the water....

Mod Edit:  Moved over from B-36 thread as it seems more appropriate here.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 02:27:19 AM »
Greg - what program do you use to make your profiles?

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 02:39:10 AM »
As long as we're toying the idea of racing large things, what might come of a thread on airship races, a lighter than air world-round speed classic?

I love this idea...I am sure Brian is already getting his Ferrari Racing Red paint ready...
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2012, 05:08:57 AM »
Greg - what program do you use to make your profiles?

Various...why?

The line widths and details always look very professional and add to the appeal of the drawings.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 05:11:31 AM »
Thank you - I try! :)
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2012, 05:13:21 AM »
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Re: Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2012, 06:45:55 AM »
How about combining the basics of an airship with lifting body aerodynamics?

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Re: Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2012, 05:00:56 AM »
Further to the Airship Aircraft Carrier idea, what if other nations got in on the game:

Germany:



Italy:



Japan:



Britain:



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Re: Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2012, 06:33:30 AM »
A few days ago I suddenly got an idea for an airship, a modern one that is.  It started after I received a full set of Airbus A400M props from someone on the ATF forum, and my first idea was to use them in a contra-prop configuration on something.  Looking at them they look like something you'd find on the rear of a submarine, then I thought -- what about an airship !!! They both have the same shape.

Since then I've expanded on that and got to thinking how I would do a really modern airship using today's materials (or materials of the not to distant future).  A while ago there was an article I read about having an AEW airship which could fly really high and stooge around for a very long time, well I'm thinking along the same lines, but instead of the traditional 'blimp' style you usually see, what about a disc shaped one.  Or one that looks like a 'Flying Pancake' but instead of tractor propellers, have pusher props on two sides.  My thoughts are a very large shape like this with contra rotating radar dishes in the center, with crew quarters above and the operations deck on the bottom.  The dishes would rotate around a central vertical shaft which would have an elevator in it to get from one deck to the other.

I'd have the outer shell made from a multitude of hexagonal tubes made from Nanofibre joined together like a honeycomb only the tubes running more or less horizontal, which would be inflated with helium under pressure to maintain the shape and the radar dish area would also be flooded with helium. The top and bottom decks would have their own livable environment inside the outer shell.

Powering all this would be four of the Europrop TP-400 engines, each driving it's own propeller, but like how the Double Mamba engine powers a Fairey Gannet. As I mentioned above, the props would be on the outside rear corners.
Then there would be a fifth TP-400 to power all the electrical needs.

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2012, 06:51:14 AM »
This Russian metal (clad) airship was designed so that it wouldn't need a hanger while on the ground.

(I added the trapeses)

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2012, 06:52:06 AM »
How about one shaped linke a lifting body to get some useful lift from the fuselage?  If you did this and were just a tad bit heavier than air on the ground, you'd have more stable ground handling.

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2012, 06:57:40 AM »
How about one shaped linke a lifting body to get some useful lift from the fuselage?  If you did this and were just a tad bit heavier than air on the ground, you'd have more stable ground handling.

Yes, and if it followed the Flying Pancake airfoil, it should be good for some really slow flying speeds.

I'm thinking of copying the Hasegawa kit shape only making it somewhere around 36" across in 1/72 scale
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2012, 09:15:11 PM »
A few days ago I suddenly got an idea for an airship, a modern one that is.  It started after I received a full set of Airbus A400M props from someone on the ATF forum, and my first idea was to use them in a contra-prop configuration on something.  Looking at them they look like something you'd find on the rear of a submarine, then I thought -- what about an airship !!! They both have the same shape.

Since then I've expanded on that and got to thinking how I would do a really modern airship using today's materials (or materials of the not to distant future).  A while ago there was an article I read about having an AEW airship which could fly really high and stooge around for a very long time, well I'm thinking along the same lines, but instead of the traditional 'blimp' style you usually see, what about a disc shaped one.  Or one that looks like a 'Flying Pancake' but instead of tractor propellers, have pusher props on two sides.  My thoughts are a very large shape like this with contra rotating radar dishes in the center, with crew quarters above and the operations deck on the bottom.  The dishes would rotate around a central vertical shaft which would have an elevator in it to get from one deck to the other.

I'd have the outer shell made from a multitude of hexagonal tubes made from Nanofibre joined together like a honeycomb only the tubes running more or less horizontal, which would be inflated with helium under pressure to maintain the shape and the radar dish area would also be flooded with helium. The top and bottom decks would have their own livable environment inside the outer shell.

Powering all this would be four of the Europrop TP-400 engines, each driving it's own propeller, but like how the Double Mamba engine powers a Fairey Gannet. As I mentioned above, the props would be on the outside rear corners.
Then there would be a fifth TP-400 to power all the electrical needs.


  Something like this ? ...



  Your idea inspired me!

  The main difference I made while drawing is that instead of a rotating antenna, the entire lower half of this Lenticular airship is paneled with dielectric and the radar is thus scanned in phased array, much like the large ground based BMEWS radars. The upper half of the envelope is covered in spray-on solar paneling. This would not generate enough power for the main radar but could operate the life support/climate control  equipment and lighting. The 5th engine APU idea you have is incorporated.

  I added a self defense armament and satcom antenna dome. The engines are ducted/buried.

  This basic craft could make a very-long-range airliner/world cruiser or executive transport or a great science platform, it could carry a far larger telescope higher into the stratosphere than the currently debuting SOFIA airborne observatory.

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2012, 01:45:28 AM »
This is a bit rough but I'm thinking along these lines Russ

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2012, 09:26:34 AM »
Inspiration for Brian ....

someone on the other site mentioned ......
     "Shackelton fuselage under a small airship envelope: a lumpy, bent one with random ropes and bits of net around it."
May I add .... twin-20mm in nose & tail, singles in mid-upper & sides -- all gun-stations to be open as per WW1 practice.

below ...
     The bomb is an incendiary type.
     The other "bomb"-shaped item (in the IWM, London) is a pod for an observer.  It was lowered down thru clouds on a cable from the Zeppelin -- the cable on this one must have jammed, so the observer climbed up the cable & it was then jettisoned.
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2012, 09:29:44 AM »
There are several paper-card models of Zepplins, Dirigibles & blimps including this shed ...


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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2012, 02:58:20 AM »
Ralph Currell's paper models are very nice and, best of all, free.

http://www.currell.net/models/mod_free.htm

The Vickers Transoceanic Airship with top-mounted passenger cabin is interesting:


http://www.currell.net/models/vickers.htm

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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2012, 12:21:42 PM »
someone on the other site mentioned ......
     "Shackelton fuselage under a small airship envelope: a lumpy, bent one with random ropes and bits of net around it."


           2016 .... due to the cancellation of the BAE Nimrod upgrades & the scrapping of the aircraft, Britain was left with no real maritime patrol options.  The attempted influx of illegal immigrants (from Africa via France) by innovative means forced the MoD to re-think their options on border-patrol.

It would take several years to even put the Nimrod back into production so other ideas were explored.  One was to fit the fuselages of Avro Shackletons under dirigible envelopes.  Remaining fuselages were retrieved from scrapyards, museums & RAF gate-guards -- they had extra openings in the side for gun-stations and nose, tail & mid-upper turrets were opened up -- all were fitted with either single or twin 20mm guns.  Initially no propulsion was provided, the blimps being towed & held on station by destroyers.
         the Mod's latest "aircraft" became known to crews as Shack-Bags ....




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Re: Airship Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2012, 12:29:33 PM »
So interesting.  Way cool topic.
To model a larger one like aircraft carrier, could do 1/350 or 1/700 to keep size reasonable and can use the aircraft in those scales.
Got lotsa room - try 1/144

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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 10:28:45 AM »
There's not a lot of data in the story, but the airship of Rudyard Kipling's "With the Mail" would be an interesting subject with the portion of the car that was interchangeable and lifted into place just before departure.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2013, 02:42:27 PM »
Potentially useful resource:  http://www.airships.net/blog
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2013, 08:01:16 PM »
Start of an excellent-looking Airship Dreams series of articles from DRB:

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2013/07/airship-dreams-part-1.html
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