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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2018, 03:16:52 AM »


Fixed.

The missile appears to be a variant of the MBDA CAMM (Common Anti-Air Modular Missile) series
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2018, 03:55:30 AM »
@Greg/GTX

no image showing up in your post.  I can view the image only by opening your post and going directly to the linked image. 

So what weapons system is that on the back of the Boxer ?
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2018, 12:38:26 PM »
I think that is the Brimstone extended range concept?

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2018, 07:29:32 AM »
That transparent nose cone does look very like the Dual Mode Brimstone/Brimstone 2 ... but the missile body looks much more like FLAADS/Sky Sabre  :-\
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2018, 02:49:00 AM »
Another view of the missile in the above image:



Certainly looks to be a variant of CAMM (LAND APPLICATION):



Doing some further research, it appears that it is part of MBDA’s Future Land Indirect Fires concept and is essentially a combination of the CAMM missile with a Brimstone shaker.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2018, 02:49:45 AM »
And another of the SPH variant:

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2019, 04:26:33 AM »
Details of some of the current modules available:

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2019, 11:44:30 PM »
Revell's ambulance version comes with the modular pod separate ... I wonder if that means they intend selling individual modules for the kit as well as complete variants? ???
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2019, 04:18:27 AM »
@old wombat  - the original/first issue of the Revell Boxer kit as the IFV/APC also featured a separate module.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2019, 07:15:01 AM »
@old wombat  - the original/first issue of the Revell Boxer kit as the IFV/APC also featured a separate module.

Cool! Now all they need to do is re-issue it so I can get one of them, too, so I can seriously start looking at building alternate modules. :smiley:
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2019, 04:17:41 PM »
@ Old Wombat - So many possible ideas to consider.  One that appeals to me is to leave the module off and turn the Boxer in to a cargo carrier, maybe add on a HIAB Crane... :)
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2019, 08:55:16 PM »
Did I mention I bought the Legend conversion kit for this ...

How about a Boxer with ADATS:




... so I could build a Boxer module for it? ??? ;)
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2019, 02:11:48 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2019, 07:00:47 AM »
Check google for "shelter mount ADATS" and it will give you an idea of what a Boxer adats module might look like

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2019, 04:41:22 AM »
Got the opportunity to climb on/in one of these yesterday... ;)
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2019, 08:38:15 PM »
Got the opportunity to climb on/in one of these yesterday... ;) :icon_punal:

Interesting Greg!

I took part in some trials with the IVECO Freccia 8x8 IFV a few years ago, as a Digger.

It's only my opinion, and although I haven't had the privilege to work with the Boxer, IMO the Boxer is over the top in sophistication, physical size and cost for Australian needs......especially at what, something like $25 million a piece....

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2019, 02:07:14 AM »
IMO the Boxer is over the top in sophistication, physical size and cost for Australian needs......especially at what, something like $25 million a piece....

I will admit that the Boxers are big, though one could argue that for some of their potential roles the imposing (dare I say intimidating) size could be a bonus.  It is surprising though that once you load them up there is surprisingly little room left inside.  I would also point out that the alternative (the Patria AMV35) was also big - see below for photo of Boxer and AMV35 alongside Abrams and ASLAV:




And just the Boxer compared to the ASLAV it is replacing:



As for sophistication, I would have to argue that the Army as a whole s getting sophisticated.  So long as the troops are trained, the equipment is reliable and supportable it should not be an issue.  Moreover, if one goes truly networked and connect everything from the troops on the ground, their vehicles, through to helicopters, fighters, UAVs, surveillance aircraft and naval platforms one can get some truly mind blowing outcomes that you haven't seen even in 'Hollywood' depictions.

Won't comment on cost since all the platforms are expensive.  Not denying this.

Finally, I will also admit that the Australian Army is generally getting 'heavy' and I often wonder what the thinking behind it is.  If you look, they are going to shortly have Boxer CRVs, either Lynx KF41 or AS21 Redback (my money being on the latter), more Abrams tanks (in the M1A2SEPV3 configuration I believe), Abrams Breaching and Bridging variants, K9/K10 SPHs plus more.  Even the Hawkei vehicles aren't that small/light when you see them up close.  It is very much a heavy offering and whilst certainly imposing I do wonder about deployability.  Even with C-17s and the two LHDs I think we will be very hard pressed to deploy anywhere in a hurry in numbers.  That said, if their reputation/potential capability can act as a deference and thus avoid the needful rapid deployment in the first place then they will have been a good investment.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2019, 03:09:44 PM »
IMO the Boxer is over the top in sophistication, physical size and cost for Australian needs......especially at what, something like $25 million a piece....

I will admit that the Boxers are big, though one could argue that for some of their potential roles the imposing (dare I say intimidating) size could be a bonus.  It is surprising though that once you load them up there is surprisingly little room left inside.  I would also point out that the alternative (the Patria AMV35) was also big - see below for photo of Boxer and AMV35 alongside Abrams and ASLAV:




And just the Boxer compared to the ASLAV it is replacing:



As for sophistication, I would have to argue that the Army as a whole s getting sophisticated.  So long as the troops are trained, the equipment is reliable and supportable it should not be an issue.  Moreover, if one goes truly networked and connect everything from the troops on the ground, their vehicles, through to helicopters, fighters, UAVs, surveillance aircraft and naval platforms one can get some truly mind blowing outcomes that you haven't seen even in 'Hollywood' depictions.

Won't comment on cost since all the platforms are expensive.  Not denying this.

Finally, I will also admit that the Australian Army is generally getting 'heavy' and I often wonder what the thinking behind it is.  If you look, they are going to shortly have Boxer CRVs, either Lynx KF41 or AS21 Redback (my money being on the latter), more Abrams tanks (in the M1A2SEPV3 configuration I believe), Abrams Breaching and Bridging variants, K9/K10 SPHs plus more.  Even the Hawkei vehicles aren't that small/light when you see them up close.  It is very much a heavy offering and whilst certainly imposing I do wonder about deployability.  Even with C-17s and the two LHDs I think we will be very hard pressed to deploy anywhere in a hurry in numbers.  That said, if their reputation/potential capability can act as a deference and thus avoid the needful rapid deployment in the first place then they will have been a good investment.

Thank's for your feedback Greg, alas I'm out of the game now........
A big question for me re the Boxer., is whether she fits in a C-130J or not? I know and appreciate that the ADF have the Boeing C-17's, but regardless of their amicable landing / take off performance, they still can't get get into the rudimentary airstrips I'm envisaging tge Boxer would be needed, if you know what I mean.....

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2019, 01:31:52 AM »
A Boxer will physically fit inside a C-130 but its weight prevents it being transported by one.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2019, 02:54:38 AM »
A Boxer will physically fit inside a C-130 but its weight prevents it being transported by one.

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2019, 03:33:58 AM »
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And there you have it. You just can't use 1/32, 1/35 and 1/48 in the same diorama. Looks odd.  :P
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2019, 05:10:57 AM »
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #72 on: October 18, 2019, 09:26:43 AM »
A Boxer will physically fit inside a C-130 but its weight prevents it being transported by one.

We flew an ADATS out of a Herc, taking off from a very hot , fairly high altitude El Paso airfield...I think we could only take on 20 minutes of fuel before we landed at a lower airfield, and that is less than half the weight of a Boxer!

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« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2019, 10:29:54 PM »
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2019, 12:01:10 AM »
Interesting. The NEMO mortar particularly so.
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