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Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« on: January 31, 2012, 02:30:47 AM »
Revell of Germany 1/35th scale GTK Boxer (GTFz) built by Thomas Schäffter with the remote weapons station armed with the 40mm grenade launcher machine gun.


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Vajra Miniatures 1/35th scale resin kit of the GTK Boxer prototype vehicle built by Peter Jakob


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Thomas Hofmann provides an in-box kit review of the Revell of Germany 1/35th scale GTK (GTFz) Boxer (product number 03093) with plenty of images showing what is provided in this kit at Modellversium


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This is an interesting kit with the personnel carrier module being a separate component that can be removed to reveal the details underneath the module that would normally be hidden from view.  My first thoughts were to start wondering how this vehicle would look with a standard fifth wheel mounted in that space to pull a trailer or modify it to become a cargo truck with stake sides and bench seats from one of the cargo truck kits.  It would certainly be an interesting diversion from following the kit instructions. 
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2012, 02:33:08 AM »
I have one that is going to be made up as the equivalent of the Stryker Mobile Gun System:

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2012, 02:57:56 AM »
I have one that is going to be made up as the equivalent of the Stryker Mobile Gun System

Should look better than that Stryker MGS without too much effort. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2012, 06:49:33 AM »
Boxer has the heft to pull off the LWT better than the top-heavy M1128 as well. Besides, the Boxer is modular so the LWT installation is 'roll-on/roll-off'  :)
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 10:07:58 AM »
This is the first modern AFV I've bought in a long time with actual intent to build. The modular concept is just too cool to not mess with!


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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 02:12:18 PM »
  My first thoughts were to start wondering how this vehicle would look with a standard fifth wheel mounted in that space to pull a trailer


A Curtiss Aerocar like trailer?




 ;D

Damn, that modular design is cool and gives rise to all sort of ideas.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 03:19:33 PM »
  My first thoughts were to start wondering how this vehicle would look with a standard fifth wheel mounted in that space to pull a trailer

Damn, that modular design is cool and gives rise to all sort of ideas.

Seems we all have a similar perspective for things which is a good thing.  A fifth-wheel trailer such as the Aerocar is a bit out of my league but does bring to mind an idea for a trailer that could be used for a command post towed by the Boxer or something more Mad-Maxx such as a fuel tank trailer.  I suppose the fuel tanker would exceed the axle weight limits but you could always say it was carrying a "light" fuel ;)   
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 04:25:44 PM »
How about a Giraffe radar or similar:



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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2012, 08:49:42 AM »
<...> or similar:


An EO turret and a pack of HOT-3/PARS 3/Spike!
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2012, 06:08:43 PM »
<...> or similar:


An EO turret and a pack of HOT-3/PARS 3/Spike!


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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 11:39:16 AM »
^ Yup, that's what I thought.  :)

Here are two more options of how a Boxer-based mobile gun system could look. Both are based on the French GIAT/Nexter Vextra design, which was trialled, but ultimately not adopted. Too bad, as it's a cool-looking beast.

Vextra 105 with a 105mm gun turret (as on the AMX-10RC)


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Vextra trials vehicle for a reduced-recoil 120mm gun (120 FER (Faible Effet de Recul) L/52) in a lightweight turret called 120 POLE (POrteur LEger).


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The well-sloped glacis kinda reminded me of the Boxer. Looks like you could easily cut-up a Leo 2 turret to get something similar to the turret in the second pic.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 07:51:08 PM »
Those two Vextra's have given me the fever...the fever to build something similar.  I've had plans to build a USMC LAV-25 with a bigger turret for a tank destroyer/infantry support vehicle, now it looks like I'll have to add a Boxer and some other donor armor to the stash as well and take a crack at a German MGS to rival the Styker for export business...

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2012, 05:18:58 AM »
I already have the Revell kit of this and have now just ordered the HobbyBoss version.  It will be interesting to do a comparison between the two.

I'm thinking one will get an overhead 105/120mm gun whilst the other might get either an Air-Defence set up or possibly something like a Netfires setup.

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2012, 07:30:18 PM »
Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle with LANCE turret system

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***Taking a closer look at the image of the Boxer with the turret I doubt that this is a 20mm weapon as someone claimed it to be on another forum.  That individual did not provide a link to any article and I took it upon myself to search out more information on this variant.  Taking a look at the Puma IFV to get a comparison as it would make more sense and it would also be logical from a logistical perspective to have a weapons system that would be common to both platforms it is probably the same 30mm weapon system that is used on the Puma IFV


Wikipedia - Puma IFV
Wikipedia - Boxer MRAV


*** *** Further research on the subject reveals that the turret mounted on the Boxer MRAV is the Rheinmetall LANCE turret armed with the same Rheinmetall MK30-2/ABM 30mm automatic cannon that is mounted in the Puma IFV. 

Additional information at these links:

Army Guide.com - Rheinmetall LANCE Turret
Army Guide.com - Boxer MRAV with LANCE Turret
Army Guide.com - LANCE RC - Remote Controlled Weapon Station
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2012, 08:41:32 PM »
Looks good.
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2012, 09:10:35 PM »
I agree, but that looks more like a 30 or 35mm gun.  That's hefty-looking.

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2012, 02:09:16 AM »
I agree, but that looks more like a 30 or 35mm gun.  That's hefty-looking.


Edit of my OP to reflect your observations.  I have to agree now that I have taken a closer look at the Puma IFV. 
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2012, 02:30:55 AM »
Yeah, that's kind of what I figured.  Very neat.

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2012, 02:44:36 PM »
Bah!  Give it a 35mm/50mm cannon.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 11:32:29 PM »
The plot thickens...

KMW (Kraus-Maffei Wegmann) FLW 200+ remote weapons station armed with the Rheinmetall RH202 MK. 

Definitely not the same system but still impressive. 
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2012, 02:43:11 AM »
Random Idea:  How about turning the Boxer into a Halftrack...
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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2015, 06:39:56 AM »
Boxer from the Mars Wars - this one is in an area where terraforming has allowed some of the first plants to grow...

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2016, 10:58:59 PM »
Hello friends,
Last week I have finished a model on a model exhibition.  This is the "Lance"-turret on the  pre-series BOXER. (Hobbyboss). It is the same turret, I show on the MARDER-testvehicle, here in the physical models. The real vehicle was shown on a military exhibition in 2008.












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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2016, 02:58:43 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2016, 04:27:59 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2016, 06:32:31 AM »
I got to see this up close this last week:



Damn that is a big, tall vehicle.  Wouldn't want to fall from the top!
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2016, 06:34:33 AM »
Another showing the 155mm AGM:

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2016, 06:39:46 AM »
Air Defence Variant:

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2016, 06:45:32 AM »
Video of proposed Boxer CRV for Australia's Land 400:

https://youtu.be/80Xjer_cLbo

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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2016, 11:31:15 AM »
Boxer from the Mars Wars - this one is in an area where terraforming has allowed some of the first plants to grow...




Looks like that nasty Cultana training area Greg  :(

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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2016, 11:36:58 AM »
I got to see this up close this last week:



Damn that is a big, tall vehicle.  Wouldn't want to fall from the top!


Descent calibre cannon and ATGM's!! :o
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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2017, 02:38:57 AM »
Boxer on trials in Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIodVnI9qM
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« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2017, 09:29:37 PM »
Boxer on trials in Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIodVnI9qM

Interesting, thanks for that.

If I recall correctly they were actually first trialled in Aust back in 2008/9, not for the RAAC but hot weather trails in Woomera for the Germans.

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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2017, 03:58:12 AM »
Just a photo:

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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2017, 03:19:18 AM »
Another photo showing the size of Boxer, this time alongside an old Leopard 1:

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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2017, 10:27:04 AM »
I wasn't aware there were any Leopard 1s in Oz.  Where is it?

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2017, 09:15:18 PM »
I wasn't aware there were any Leopard 1s in Oz.  Where is it?


It must be a belgium Leo. But the Boxer looks like that one in Australia testet.

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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2018, 02:07:10 AM »
Well it looks like Australia has selected the Boxer for its Land 400 Ph2 requirement. :smiley:


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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2018, 08:03:31 PM »
Good choice and confirms what an RAAC SNCO told me last year but boy are the parochial's and armchair experts going ballistic.

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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2018, 10:18:39 AM »
Good choice and confirms what an RAAC SNCO told me last year but boy are the parochial's and armchair experts going ballistic.

It is a good choice, albeit an expensive one.  Who cares what the armchair "experts" think? 

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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2018, 09:16:05 PM »
I wasn't aware there were any Leopard 1s in Oz.  Where is it?

Yep, not an Aussie Leo 1, it's turret isn't the correct shape. This Leopard 1 has the older round cast turret!

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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2018, 02:40:02 AM »
I knew the Boxer had modular capability but I have never seen this in action...until now:

https://youtu.be/h1iifwOhQbE

I wonder if the modules shown could be used as pillboxes?
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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2018, 06:48:36 AM »
The Revell Germany Boxer kit has this feature as part of the kit with a separate module for rear containing the troops and remote weapon station or the medical evacuation module.  It can be removed from the vehicle to show the inside of the vehicle and there is a port or doorway to the driver compartment.  I rather fancied the notion of a Boxer pickup truck :)
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« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2018, 04:24:26 AM »
Yeah, I knew the kit showed it.  I just hadn't seen it in real life until this video.
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« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2018, 04:38:47 AM »
How about a Boxer with ADATS:

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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2018, 01:54:56 AM »
Air Defence Variant:



Apparently Australia is also considering some of these...
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« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2018, 12:26:40 PM »
I think the 2020's might see a bit of a resurgence of low-level AD among NATO/FVEY nations.

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« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2018, 11:16:16 PM »
I think the 2020's might see a bit of a resurgence of low-level AD among NATO/FVEY nations.
I'm thinking a lot more than a bit. As peer-peer conflict comes back into view, politically, nations who have focused on COIN and asymmetric warfare for the last 15 years are pivoting to find out that their old potential adversaries have not been standing still while they fought in the deserts.

There are a LOT of doctrinal roosters coming home to perch at the moment.

Western Navies are rediscovering that they need sophisticated anti-shipping strike, long range anti-missile defence and really sophisticate ASW capability that they have let lapse since the early 90s. Air Forces are rediscovering that they need to be able to win air superiority in an incredibly contested air and electronic space. Armies are noticing that sabres are being rattled, sabres that need more than wheeled vehicles to combat and that their tracked platforms are 40 years old and aging. And seriously sophisticated cyber warfare is a brand new thing compared to the last time the West's militaries looked beyond long term, low intensity sustained COIN ops.

There is a LOT of money needed to revamp the world's militaries to face near peer adversaries, yet there is nowhere near enough money to do all the needed things in the short term. 30 years of low intensity focus is going to take quite a while to overcome.

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #49 on: June 04, 2018, 02:09:22 AM »
New Boxer compared to old ASLAV:

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Re: Boxer GTK (GTFz) 8X8 Wheeled Armored Vehicle
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2018, 03:16:52 AM »


Fixed.

The missile appears to be a variant of the MBDA CAMM (Common Anti-Air Modular Missile) series
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« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2018, 03:55:30 AM »
@Greg/GTX

no image showing up in your post.  I can view the image only by opening your post and going directly to the linked image. 

So what weapons system is that on the back of the Boxer ?
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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2018, 12:38:26 PM »
I think that is the Brimstone extended range concept?

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« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2018, 07:29:32 AM »
That transparent nose cone does look very like the Dual Mode Brimstone/Brimstone 2 ... but the missile body looks much more like FLAADS/Sky Sabre  :-\
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2018, 02:49:00 AM »
Another view of the missile in the above image:



Certainly looks to be a variant of CAMM (LAND APPLICATION):



Doing some further research, it appears that it is part of MBDA’s Future Land Indirect Fires concept and is essentially a combination of the CAMM missile with a Brimstone shaker.
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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2018, 02:49:45 AM »
And another of the SPH variant:

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« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2019, 04:26:33 AM »
Details of some of the current modules available:

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« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2019, 11:44:30 PM »
Revell's ambulance version comes with the modular pod separate ... I wonder if that means they intend selling individual modules for the kit as well as complete variants? ???
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« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2019, 04:18:27 AM »
@old wombat  - the original/first issue of the Revell Boxer kit as the IFV/APC also featured a separate module.
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« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2019, 07:15:01 AM »
@old wombat  - the original/first issue of the Revell Boxer kit as the IFV/APC also featured a separate module.

Cool! Now all they need to do is re-issue it so I can get one of them, too, so I can seriously start looking at building alternate modules. :smiley:
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« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2019, 04:17:41 PM »
@ Old Wombat - So many possible ideas to consider.  One that appeals to me is to leave the module off and turn the Boxer in to a cargo carrier, maybe add on a HIAB Crane... :)
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« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2019, 08:55:16 PM »
Did I mention I bought the Legend conversion kit for this ...

How about a Boxer with ADATS:




... so I could build a Boxer module for it? ??? ;)
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« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2019, 02:11:48 AM »
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« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2019, 07:00:47 AM »
Check google for "shelter mount ADATS" and it will give you an idea of what a Boxer adats module might look like

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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2019, 04:41:22 AM »
Got the opportunity to climb on/in one of these yesterday... ;)
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« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2019, 08:38:15 PM »
Got the opportunity to climb on/in one of these yesterday... ;) :icon_punal:

Interesting Greg!

I took part in some trials with the IVECO Freccia 8x8 IFV a few years ago, as a Digger.

It's only my opinion, and although I haven't had the privilege to work with the Boxer, IMO the Boxer is over the top in sophistication, physical size and cost for Australian needs......especially at what, something like $25 million a piece....

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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2019, 02:07:14 AM »
IMO the Boxer is over the top in sophistication, physical size and cost for Australian needs......especially at what, something like $25 million a piece....

I will admit that the Boxers are big, though one could argue that for some of their potential roles the imposing (dare I say intimidating) size could be a bonus.  It is surprising though that once you load them up there is surprisingly little room left inside.  I would also point out that the alternative (the Patria AMV35) was also big - see below for photo of Boxer and AMV35 alongside Abrams and ASLAV:




And just the Boxer compared to the ASLAV it is replacing:



As for sophistication, I would have to argue that the Army as a whole s getting sophisticated.  So long as the troops are trained, the equipment is reliable and supportable it should not be an issue.  Moreover, if one goes truly networked and connect everything from the troops on the ground, their vehicles, through to helicopters, fighters, UAVs, surveillance aircraft and naval platforms one can get some truly mind blowing outcomes that you haven't seen even in 'Hollywood' depictions.

Won't comment on cost since all the platforms are expensive.  Not denying this.

Finally, I will also admit that the Australian Army is generally getting 'heavy' and I often wonder what the thinking behind it is.  If you look, they are going to shortly have Boxer CRVs, either Lynx KF41 or AS21 Redback (my money being on the latter), more Abrams tanks (in the M1A2SEPV3 configuration I believe), Abrams Breaching and Bridging variants, K9/K10 SPHs plus more.  Even the Hawkei vehicles aren't that small/light when you see them up close.  It is very much a heavy offering and whilst certainly imposing I do wonder about deployability.  Even with C-17s and the two LHDs I think we will be very hard pressed to deploy anywhere in a hurry in numbers.  That said, if their reputation/potential capability can act as a deference and thus avoid the needful rapid deployment in the first place then they will have been a good investment.
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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2019, 03:09:44 PM »
IMO the Boxer is over the top in sophistication, physical size and cost for Australian needs......especially at what, something like $25 million a piece....

I will admit that the Boxers are big, though one could argue that for some of their potential roles the imposing (dare I say intimidating) size could be a bonus.  It is surprising though that once you load them up there is surprisingly little room left inside.  I would also point out that the alternative (the Patria AMV35) was also big - see below for photo of Boxer and AMV35 alongside Abrams and ASLAV:




And just the Boxer compared to the ASLAV it is replacing:



As for sophistication, I would have to argue that the Army as a whole s getting sophisticated.  So long as the troops are trained, the equipment is reliable and supportable it should not be an issue.  Moreover, if one goes truly networked and connect everything from the troops on the ground, their vehicles, through to helicopters, fighters, UAVs, surveillance aircraft and naval platforms one can get some truly mind blowing outcomes that you haven't seen even in 'Hollywood' depictions.

Won't comment on cost since all the platforms are expensive.  Not denying this.

Finally, I will also admit that the Australian Army is generally getting 'heavy' and I often wonder what the thinking behind it is.  If you look, they are going to shortly have Boxer CRVs, either Lynx KF41 or AS21 Redback (my money being on the latter), more Abrams tanks (in the M1A2SEPV3 configuration I believe), Abrams Breaching and Bridging variants, K9/K10 SPHs plus more.  Even the Hawkei vehicles aren't that small/light when you see them up close.  It is very much a heavy offering and whilst certainly imposing I do wonder about deployability.  Even with C-17s and the two LHDs I think we will be very hard pressed to deploy anywhere in a hurry in numbers.  That said, if their reputation/potential capability can act as a deference and thus avoid the needful rapid deployment in the first place then they will have been a good investment.

Thank's for your feedback Greg, alas I'm out of the game now........
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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2019, 01:31:52 AM »
A Boxer will physically fit inside a C-130 but its weight prevents it being transported by one.
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A Boxer will physically fit inside a C-130 but its weight prevents it being transported by one.

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« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2019, 03:33:58 AM »
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And there you have it. You just can't use 1/32, 1/35 and 1/48 in the same diorama. Looks odd.  :P
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« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2019, 05:10:57 AM »
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« Reply #72 on: October 18, 2019, 09:26:43 AM »
A Boxer will physically fit inside a C-130 but its weight prevents it being transported by one.

We flew an ADATS out of a Herc, taking off from a very hot , fairly high altitude El Paso airfield...I think we could only take on 20 minutes of fuel before we landed at a lower airfield, and that is less than half the weight of a Boxer!

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« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2019, 12:01:10 AM »
Interesting. The NEMO mortar particularly so.
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« Reply #75 on: December 23, 2019, 01:39:16 AM »
In other words, the entire Boxer catalogue.

I will try to dig up the full list of those variants Australia is getting.
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« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2019, 10:58:04 AM »
I can foresee the Australian Army getting:  IFV/APC, ACV, Ambulance, Recovery.

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« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2019, 02:49:23 AM »
Australia is getting these variants of the Boxer.  The Ambulance variant is only an option at this stage.

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« Reply #78 on: December 30, 2019, 11:51:47 AM »
Hmm, i wonder if the Joint Fires is a Coordination Centre or a FOO vehicle.

No AD version..what does the RAA field for mobile Air Defence?

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« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2019, 03:51:19 AM »
No AD version..what does the RAA field for mobile Air Defence?

The Australian Regular Army (ARA) currently uses RBS70:



Under LAND 19 Phase 7B they will be getting an enhanced version of the Raytheon/KONGSBERG National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System (NASAMS).  This will include an advanced electronically-scanned array (AESA) and electro-optical sensors, including the mobile CEA Tactical (CEATAC) AESA fire-control radar on the rear of a modified Thales Hawkei 2-door protected mobility vehicle (PMV) or on a towed trailer, a larger CEA Operational (CEAOPS) AESA search radar mounted on a Rheinmetall HX77 8×8 heavy truck, and a Raytheon MTS-A electro-optical infrared (EO/IR) sensor with a 5m telescopic mast and housing, also mounted on a Hawkei plus an upgraded vehicle-borne high-mobility launcher (HML) based upon the Hawkei which will include the new Mk 2 canister launcher with the ability to fire both AMRAAM or AMRAAM-ER and the infrared Raytheon AIM-9X Block 2 missile (useful noting that the RAAF already uses AMRAAM and AIM-9X), using a common ground rail on the HML.

Mk 2 canister launcher launching AMRAAM:



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« Reply #80 on: December 31, 2019, 03:58:45 AM »
i wonder if the Joint Fires is a Coordination Centre or a FOO vehicle.

Given it will be fitted with Rheinmetall’s  Vingtaqs II reconnaissance and surveillance system with electro-optical daytime/night time-capable visual sensor and a laser rangefinder I think you will find it is more of a FOO vehicle.

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« Reply #81 on: December 31, 2019, 03:25:38 PM »
To me it would make sense to design Boxer compatible modules for LAND 19 Phase 7B because the Boxer modules are intended to either be mounted on a Boxer vehicle, or on an interface frame mounted on the ground or even a flat bed truck.

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Oh my..a Meng JLTV with some 1/32 Sparrow missiles...Hmmm.

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« Reply #83 on: January 04, 2020, 02:04:39 AM »
Oh my..a Meng JLTV with some 1/32 Sparrow missiles...Hmmm.

Perhaps....though I would prefer someone releasing a Thales Hawkei kit.

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« Reply #85 on: November 23, 2020, 12:21:18 PM »
Oh my..a Meng JLTV with some 1/32 Sparrow missiles...Hmmm.

Perhaps....though I would prefer someone releasing a Thales Hawkei kit.



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