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Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« on: April 27, 2013, 06:02:08 AM »
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A thread for your Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration.



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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2013, 06:03:51 AM »
To start with, what might be a suitable designation for a USN Turboprop powered B-52 in the '50s/'60s timeframe?  Just asking...not implying any such build might be underway... ;)
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2013, 06:05:10 AM »
I must admit that I have always liked the look of the original cockpit:

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2013, 06:38:28 AM »
YEAH ! original cockpit + B-36 wing !! .... twin tails ?

48th scale Hercules engines on a 72nd kit ?

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2013, 07:04:10 AM »
To start with, what might be a suitable designation for a USN Turboprop powered B-52 in the '50s/'60s timeframe?  Just asking...not implying any such build might be underway... ;)
Well, likely P4B or P5B, depending on whether a similar conversion of a B-47 was done before then.  It might be interesting to have a B-47 derivative powered by two T57 (turboprop version of J57) engines or, failing that, four T54 engines (analogous to the T40, but based on the T56 instead of the T38). 

I once doodled up a turboprop-powered B-60 derivative.
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2013, 10:44:09 AM »
I am toying with 4 T57 this making it akin to the Tu-95.
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2013, 11:06:42 AM »
48th scale Hercules engines on a 72nd kit ?

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2013, 11:42:20 AM »
Boeing-Republic B-536, 1950.

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2013, 11:47:26 AM »
Needs some turrets I think...
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2013, 01:30:51 PM »
I must admit that I have always liked the look of the original cockpit:



Agreed!!
I guess you already know the reason behind the change in the original cockpit of the XB-52, to that of what it would eventually become in the production model's?

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2013, 01:36:00 PM »
I am toying with 4 T57 this making it akin to the Tu-95.
That would make a very nice concept indeed.  Particularly if combined with the tall tail of the majority of B-52s produced and the electro-optical systems installed on the B-52H.  For grins, have a refueling probe plumbed into the aircraft just in front of the boom receptacle so it could use either inflight refueling method.

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2013, 06:46:43 PM »
Needs some turrets I think...

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 04:07:11 AM »
Click2Detail has a 1/72 conversion set

https://click2detail.com/products/21/XB-52-Stratofortress-Conversion-Set

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Just need to find the right B-52 kit now.  Looking for probably a D, G or H...
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2013, 04:08:01 AM »
Needs some turrets I think...

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2013, 04:11:11 AM »
I am toying with 4 T57 this making it akin to the Tu-95.
That would make a very nice concept indeed.  Particularly if combined with the tall tail of the majority of B-52s produced and the electro-optical systems installed on the B-52H.  For grins, have a refueling probe plumbed into the aircraft just in front of the boom receptacle so it could use either inflight refueling method.

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2013, 05:58:19 AM »
*snicker* I know what I'll find in my own mind, I'm not worried.  But, seriously, what other approach would be "obvious" here?

Oh, that turbo-prop B-60 I mentioned, that was doodled up for artist Richard Lewis Mendes and he used it in a picture.  I'll have to hunt it up if it's still online.

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2013, 11:51:38 AM »
A couple thoughts for a B-52-based patrol bomber:
1) The standard heavy bomb rack for the underwing pylons could probably carry air-launched derivatives of full-sized torpedoes, not your standard lightweight air-launched torpedoes.
2) Going to add a MAD boom or deployable mad "bomb"?  I like the second option as it causes less blockage for your rear turret.
3) Do you intend to add a sonobuoy launch system and, if so, where?  For that matter, will it be crew-served or automatic?  The former constrains location considerably.
4) For anti-surface warfare, perhaps anti-shipping versions of the Rascal on the wing pylons?  Or a similar derivative of the Hound Dog?

Just a few thoughts as to what might be needed.
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2013, 02:18:27 PM »
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2013, 05:15:46 PM »
I am not sure yet.  Am considering it as either a Patrol/Attack Bomber with anti Surface role or as a LNG range ASW platform.
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2013, 09:44:15 AM »
I suppose my idea will be more akin to the Tu-142 then the Tu-95
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2013, 12:02:43 PM »
I am wondering if I can get away with swapping out the eight TF33 engines to just four CFM56 engines on the B-52H.  Anyone want to tell me I am wasting my time or that it is a good plan? 
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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2013, 12:40:43 PM »
I'm thinking you're going to want larger engines that CFM56's or more than just four.  CFM56's replaced TF33's on a one-for-one basis between the E-3A and the E-3D/F.

I seem to recall that a B-52 re-engining with four RB211's was studied at one time.

you could always do a B-52 with eight CFM56's mounted much the way TF34's were on Boeing's original AWACS proposal, with teh ability to shut down four engines to increase patrol time on station.

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Re: Boeing B-52 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2013, 12:55:16 PM »
I'm thinking you're going to want larger engines that CFM56's or more than just four.  CFM56's replaced TF33's on a one-for-one basis between the E-3A and the E-3D/F.

I seem to recall that a B-52 re-engining with four RB211's was studied at one time.

you could always do a B-52 with eight CFM56's mounted much the way TF34's were on Boeing's original AWACS proposal, with teh ability to shut down four engines to increase patrol time on station.

I want to have fewer engines.  Some versions of the CFM56 were putting out enough thrust to equal the TF33 so with that in mind I was hoping it might be plausible to switch from eight to four engines.  Also toying with the idea of using 1:48th scale TF34 engines from a couple of trashed ESCI A-10 kits but have to dig them out of storage to be sure.  A quick comparison of a Monogram and Italeri A-10 engine pod shows some hope of it working but the huge gap in the side of the pod will require some body and fender work to cover it up.  More later as the situation develops. 
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