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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2015, 04:17:22 PM »
To follow up on Jeff.  Yes,,, Welcome.
Suggest you browse thru prior years 3D & 2D postings.  Lotsa cool, fun, talented stuff there.
Do that occasionally myself.  The old gray cells can't retain all the inspiration and enjoyment to be found.
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2015, 02:23:50 AM »
Gents,

first time poster here, and I thought I'd bring this to your attention, a new IDF APC, as seen at http://tankandafvnews.com/.

Reading the article, there is also mention of an 8x8 vehicle with the same hull; this may be of interest to some here.

Kylie


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Thanks for the link - I must admit that I am at a loss to understand what this new APC offers over the Namer etc.  Maybe simply cost (i.e. rebuild over new build)?
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2015, 02:32:04 AM »
Namer with RCWS30 (I believe):

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2015, 04:18:09 AM »
Namer with RCWS30 (I believe):



that vehicle's an Achzarit, Greg ... here's the Namer APC (based on Merk4).


These "new" Merk-2-based vehicles won't be used as APCs but for command & battlefield-ambulances.


I suspect the actual ambulance vehicles will get "cube" armour packages like the Nakpadons.

« Last Edit: November 03, 2015, 05:28:39 AM by raafif »

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2015, 12:01:06 PM »
well gents, it is a pleasure to be here; and yes, I'm a missing-lynx old boy, in that I was lurking there for a long time before joining up here.

I may just go looking for those old Merkava 2 and 3 threads, and bring myself up to date with whats going on, seeing as how I've a kit of the 2 laying around doing nothing.

And I'll be sure to post anything new I find here.

Best,

Kylie

oh, that profile of a Namer with 30mm RCWS is not the same as the Hobbyboss ARV kit. The production Namer has sloped sides... I've other views of that vehicle which I will post here.

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2015, 02:45:28 PM »


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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2015, 02:20:02 AM »
Hmmm...maybe swap Turrets between Challenger II and Merkava...
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2015, 02:45:24 AM »
Hmmm...maybe swap Turrets between Challenger II and Merkava...

I've come across some interesting assertions about Merkava here.

Is Merkava's AC located in the hull or in the turret?

Also, which gun is more suitable for extended long-range operations?  L30A1 or Rheinmetall 120mm?
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2015, 03:26:34 AM »
Hmmm...maybe swap Turrets between Challenger II and Merkava...

I've come across some interesting assertions about Merkava here.


Interesting site - the 60mm mortar looks like it came from a German WWII S-mine launcher
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2015, 10:26:08 AM »
Hmmm...maybe swap Turrets between Challenger II and Merkava...

I've come across some interesting assertions about Merkava here.


Interesting site - the 60mm mortar looks like it came from a German WWII S-mine launcher

The British had a 2in mortar which the Americans adopted in the roof of most of their tanks from about 1941 onwards, Greg.   It fired APers and Smoke.

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2015, 07:21:17 PM »
Hmmm...maybe swap Turrets between Challenger II and Merkava...

I've come across some interesting assertions about Merkava here.

Is Merkava's AC located in the hull or in the turret?

Also, which gun is more suitable for extended long-range operations?  L30A1 or Rheinmetall 120mm?

As far as I know, the Merk's AC/NBC pack is located in the back of the hull on one side of the door. It can be taken out to make more passenger space if needed, as can the ammo rack on the other side.

The L30A1's two-part ammo, consisting of two short cylinders, shoe-horns more easily into the awkward spaces inside an MBT than the long cylinders of the Rheinmetall's one-piece ammo, so theoretically, that should mean more ammo with an L30. Challengers carry 52 rounds whereas most 120mm-armed tanks carry about 40. How that works out in practice for an individual tank design is tougher to call since no tank has had both guns fitted to allow a comparison. I know they studied fitting the smoothbore to the Chally, but I don't know what the consrquences for ammo capacity were.
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2015, 07:15:17 AM »
the old standby twin 20/30mm gepard style turret :icon_sleep:.


There's one on here!

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2068.0




Never understood why Israeli Army has never adapted such an effective SPAAG system like this!!

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2015, 07:43:38 AM »
Probably because they never really had the need to do so.
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2015, 10:11:57 AM »
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2015, 10:35:55 PM »
Probably because they never really had the need to do so.

Quite right - though they never had the need becasue they had other systems, not because they had forgone AD altogether like some countries. OTOMH, they have or had M-163 (20mm VSHORAD + Stinger), M-727 (HAWK), Patriot, Arrow, Iron Dome...

I could totally see an ADATS turret on a Merkava. The Merk has the space in the back for the crew, and Canada and Israel have a cosy defence industrial relationship.

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2015, 12:30:27 AM »
There is a local pre Christmas sale on certain Tamiya 1/35 kits, including their Merkava.  There is also an M-2 Bradley, what I am contemplating is using the Bradley turret and interior on the Merkava hull to create something like the original concept of converted Mk1 Merkavas.  There is also a Chieftain and I hope an Abrams, this could be fun.

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2015, 03:21:05 AM »
I am contemplating is using the Bradley turret and interior on the Merkava hull to create something like the original concept of converted Mk1 Merkavas. 

I like!
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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2015, 09:04:54 AM »
School holidays now so a bit hard to just go out and buy them.....may need to do some sneaking on the weekend.

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2016, 08:36:34 PM »
Seeing the FL-10 turret on the Marder / TAM hull made me think it would look good on a Merkava hull which made me think that maybe an IFV could have been on the cards from day one and it could have been fitted with turrets from surplus AMX13s.

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Re: Merkava Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2016, 12:41:26 PM »
Seeing the FL-10 turret on the Marder / TAM hull made me think it would look good on a Merkava hull which made me think that maybe an IFV could have been on the cards from day one and it could have been fitted with turrets from surplus AMX13s.

Was going to bring up issues of having to reload the two six-shot magazines from outside the vehicle, but then again, it seems to me that same thing holds true for ATGM launchers......

FL-20 might be better though- that thing looks like it has a co-axial autocannon, so it might not have to automatically resort to the main gun for anything a 7.62mm MG can't handle.

And I couldn't help to wonder (wonder, because I have an awful sense of scale) if the AMX-13 turret would have a bigger profile than remote weapon stations.
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« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2016, 03:55:55 PM »
Just trying to make my own Israeli spg with the merk hull, have plans for the original turret.
Just in the paper mock up stage trying to figure out all my angles. Really have no idea of what I'm doing since I've never done an spg or a whole lot of tanks anyway. Thinking maybe a 155 or so main gun not sure.
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Re: Merkava SPG
« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2016, 04:32:38 PM »


Well this is it for tonight.
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Re: Merkava SPG
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2016, 05:24:36 PM »
Interesting.  The Merkava Sholef used a 155mm gun.  See here for details including a bunch of photos.

A simple google image search also produces a number of photos and even a drawing or two.
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Re: Merkava SPG
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2016, 09:41:45 PM »
Is this what you were looking for the German SPG turret for?

I think what you want is the PzH 2000 (which is, technically, an SPH*) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000




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Re: Merkava SPG
« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2016, 12:30:11 PM »
Gtx - yes I have collected many pictures and a few drawings. Just don't think I could accurately reproduce that , so I'm gonna go with my own made up tank so no one can say I did it wrong for now. Either one day I will have the skill to make an accurate copy or someone will produce one I can buy😊Please buy a resin one😝😝
Yes that is the one I was thinking of wombat, thanks for finding it, but I have since said to hell with it I'll build my own😁 Don't really know the difference functionality between a spg or spg.
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