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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2013, 10:21:59 AM »
Well, the CL1200 and CL 1400 derivatives (see above) were planned with TF30s IIRC.
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2013, 01:00:53 PM »
Well, the CL1200 and CL 1400 derivatives (see above) were planned with TF30s IIRC.
CL1200 variants with F100 engines were proposed; the larger inlets come from TF30 proposals and these.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2013, 01:25:28 AM »
CL-704 VTOL-Starfighter built by Thomas Brückelt using the Matchbox 1:72nd scale F-104. 

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2013, 02:19:01 AM »
Now that is well done! :)
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2013, 01:52:03 AM »
Sweden adopts the ZELL system for a handful of RF-104G's outfitted with slightly extended wing tips and in full splinter paint.
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2013, 04:33:58 AM »
Sweden adopts the ZELL system for a handful of RF-104G's outfitted with slightly extended wing tips and in full splinter paint.

oooohhh! Yes. :)

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2013, 03:33:39 AM »
DACO is developing an injection molded plastic detail set intended for the 1:48th scale Hasegawa F-104 Starfighter as an improvement and correction set that many of you will find to your liking.  Hopefully this will be available for consumption soon.



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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2013, 04:51:32 AM »
Danny had the test shots at Telford, but try as I might I couldn't get him to do the same in 1/72.
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2013, 12:46:34 PM »
Or, taking ideas in a different direction... what could we do with Chuck Yeager's NF-104A using today's technology? Thinking to shoot for more power, shaving weight wherever practical, with wingtip booster rockets in place of tiptanks--and this thing needs to do it's zoom-climb to Astronaut Wings Qualification while still packing a decent attack radar and a pair of Sidewinders or maybe AMRAAMs for self-defense.

Oh, by the way, the bird I envision has to do all that WITH the extra drag of dragging around a two-seater's extended canopy bulge... Will an F120 fit without a total back-half redesign, or am I stuck at F414?

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2013, 01:45:34 PM »
A F120 is sufficiently larger tha a J79 so as to require significant back-end redesign as well as enlarged inlets.  It's a more modest increase in Full-AB power, but a PW1120 at 20,000 lbt in full burner would fit with no major changes (it was intended as a J79 replacement, after all).  If memory serves me correctly, you also get a bit of a weight reduction.  I'm willing to bet that a PW1120 built off the very latest F100/JTF22 core might be even more powerful as P&W was competing with GE for the 32,000 engine for the F-16E/F and the PW1120 was derived from an earlier version.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2013, 04:27:24 AM »
Or, taking ideas in a different direction... what could we do with Chuck Yeager's NF-104A using today's technology? Thinking to shoot for more power, shaving weight wherever practical, with wingtip booster rockets in place of tiptanks--and this thing needs to do it's zoom-climb to Astronaut Wings Qualification while still packing a decent attack radar and a pair of Sidewinders or maybe AMRAAMs for self-defense.

Oh, by the way, the bird I envision has to do all that WITH the extra drag of dragging around a two-seater's extended canopy bulge... Will an F120 fit without a total back-half redesign, or am I stuck at F414?


Yeager's NF-104A? Not, he had nothing to do with the design and crashed it because he was too
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2013, 09:08:37 AM »
JCF, I only cited Yeager to differentiate the "Astronaut Trainer" variant from other experimental and nonstandard F-104 configurations, just in ccase there was more than one configuration of NF-104 out there--not saying that he had anything to do with design or construction.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2014, 09:48:38 AM »
 :icon_beer: F-104 with F-16XL wings (slightly smaller scale than the F-104) and twin tails from an F/A-18 (sized to look "right" - may or may not be to scale)

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: August 19, 2014, 04:28:16 PM »
Random Idea:  RAAF F-104C in Vietnam.
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2014, 02:38:53 AM »
Random Idea:  RAAF F-104C in Vietnam.
More probable that it would have been an F-104G variant considering the time period. 
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2014, 02:44:08 AM »
I didn't actually mean to adding the "C" bit - case of fat fingers... :-[ ;)
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2014, 02:51:25 AM »
I didn't actually mean to adding the "C" bit - case of fat fingers... :-[ ;)
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2014, 11:27:22 AM »
Wasn't the C the model the RAAF was looking at in the late 50s but was rejected as too complex and a final batch of Sabres were ordered instead?

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2014, 03:45:43 PM »
F-104XL  :-*

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2015, 11:19:14 PM »
Here's one I built from an actual project for a VTOL F-104, using a rotating triangular wing with corners able to fold.

Italeri, with plastic card extras.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2015, 04:45:37 AM »
What scale?
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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2015, 09:02:36 PM »
I've got the Unicraft conversion for that -- 1/72

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2015, 10:21:44 PM »
How about an X-wing Starfighter, one set of standard wings set to 15deg anhedral and another set at 15deg dihedral. the lower wing set with under wing stores and the upper set with over wing stores (think Jaguar and Lightning).

The other thought is a Lightning style wing either mid mounted as per the Starfighters original mounting point, or high mounted as on the lancer.

Another option is an F/A-18 wing, either "Classic" or "Rhino" maybe scaleorama for a better fit, mounted as per the original Starfighter wing.

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2015, 02:06:18 AM »
How about an X-wing Starfighter, one set of standard wings set to 15deg anhedral and another set at 15deg dihedral. the lower wing set with under wing stores and the upper set with over wing stores (think Jaguar and Lightning).

The other thought is a Lightning style wing either mid mounted as per the Starfighters original mounting point, or high mounted as on the lancer.

Another option is an F/A-18 wing, either "Classic" or "Rhino" maybe scaleorama for a better fit, mounted as per the original Starfighter wing.

Sounds like something retro like the early versions of the Viper from BSG. Where to put an R2 unit?

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Re: F-104 Starfighter Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2015, 02:41:39 AM »
How about an X-wing Starfighter, one set of standard wings set to 15deg anhedral and another set at 15deg dihedral. the lower wing set with under wing stores and the upper set with over wing stores (think Jaguar and Lightning).

The other thought is a Lightning style wing either mid mounted as per the Starfighters original mounting point, or high mounted as on the lancer.

Another option is an F/A-18 wing, either "Classic" or "Rhino" maybe scaleorama for a better fit, mounted as per the original Starfighter wing.


Sounds like something retro like the early versions of the Viper from BSG. Where to put an R2 unit?


Behind the cockpit in the EE bay would be the obvious location.

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