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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on December 24, 2011, 05:01:55 AM

Title: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 24, 2011, 05:01:55 AM
With the Airfix Vickers Valiant (even if it is 1/72) still new on the shelves, how about some appropriate ideas?  I'll start:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/American20Valiant.jpg)

Higher res version available upon request if anyone wants to 'colour it in'.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on December 24, 2011, 07:09:24 AM
The B-47 style canopy puts a different spin on it Greg    8)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: BadersBusCompany on December 24, 2011, 07:32:39 AM
 :in-love: :in-love: :in-love: :in-love: Please send me a Hi res copy for future work!!!!!!
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 24, 2011, 10:00:35 AM
I have yet to understand how the Brit pilots flew the V-Bombers so well given how bad the visibility was from their cockpits.

This mod makes a world of difference.
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 29, 2011, 03:38:11 AM
Here's one to through the JMNs off their game:

There were proposals to fit the Valiant with a similar tail gun - this was known as the "Eager Beaver" arrangement:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/d5c23cbd.jpg)

Do a model showing this fitted (a B-47 tail gun would probably be able to be used).

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 29, 2011, 03:41:53 AM
:in-love: :in-love: :in-love: :in-love: Please send me a Hi res copy for future work!!!!!!

Will do so as soon as I find the original again... :yush:
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on December 29, 2011, 12:38:07 PM
B-47 cockpit-canopy and tail guns are ideal.
Two or four SR-71 engines in the wings and you can fly it faster until control hopelessly lost, the structure breaks apart, the aluminum melts.
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on December 30, 2011, 10:20:39 AM
Not easy I'll admit, but how about going further down the B-47 road and giving the Valiant podded engines? Options might be:

A. 4 x individual pods

B. 2 x twin pods

C. Sperrin-style over-and-under pods
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on June 16, 2012, 07:36:54 AM
USAF!
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on June 16, 2012, 07:58:27 AM
USAF!

USAF TAC service.  Two GAU-8 and two Vulcans in nose.  Rocket pods under wings.  Tomahawks, Mavericks, JDAMs, dumb bombs in bomb bay.
USN patrol/ASW.  At least on GAU-8 in nose.  Harpoons, torpedoes, sonobuoys, whatever else in bombay.
Tail guns and maybe top turret.  Bottom turret ?

New idea.
How about turret nose with GAU-8 and a bay to accept any of Bushmaster, Vulcan, M39, 50 cal, 7.62 mini gun depending on mission.
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 27, 2016, 03:37:19 AM
Not easy I'll admit, but how about going further down the B-47 road and giving the Valiant podded engines? Options might be:

A. 4 x individual pods

B. 2 x twin pods

C. Sperrin-style over-and-under pods

I'm thinking 4 individual pods would look good.
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on April 27, 2016, 08:01:30 AM
Since AIM have their Valiant B.2 conversion out, that twin 20mm tail gun becomes even more desirable for a whif: the RAF considered a tail gun to be desirable on the various low-level bomber projects.
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 27, 2016, 08:31:45 AM
How about mating the Victor wings to the Valiant Fuselage with that tandem seating arrangement suggested by GTX in the OP? 
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on June 27, 2016, 08:47:29 AM
Would love to see a coloured profile of an RAAF Valiant B.2!  :P

M.A.D
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on June 28, 2016, 11:21:10 AM
Not easy I'll admit, but how about going further down the B-47 road and giving the Valiant podded engines? Options might be:

A. 4 x individual pods

B. 2 x twin pods

C. Sperrin-style over-and-under pods


I'm thinking 4 individual pods would look good.


http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg110483#msg110483 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg110483#msg110483)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: CiTrus90 on June 28, 2016, 03:43:55 PM
Would love to see a coloured profile of an RAAF Valiant B.2!  :P

M.A.D


My first time trying to do a profile and foly huck it's hard ;D

(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/a9e9/vauy5s1xo184nso4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/vauy5s1xo184nso/American20Valiant-small_-_raaf_2.jpg)

I definitely need to get better at texturing SMH...

Regards.
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 29, 2016, 03:48:44 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on June 29, 2016, 01:20:08 PM
Would love to see a coloured profile of an RAAF Valiant B.2!  :P

M.A.D


([url]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/a9e9/vauy5s1xo184nso4g.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.mediafire.com/view/vauy5s1xo184nso/American20Valiant-small_-_raaf_2.jpg[/url])

I definitely need to get better at texturing SMH...



Looks bloody good too me mate!
Although, going by its landing gear, is it a Valiant B.1 or B.2, my friend  :-[

M.A.D
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 29, 2016, 05:37:33 PM
Actually, what you've drawn is interesting. I've always wondered what the V-Bombers could have looked like if the fuselages were built more 'box' like in section instead of round. You drawing shows quite well what it would look like.

I would call you're a B.3 though, B.1 had undercarriage as you have it, B.2's had 4-Wheel trucks for main gear.

Like this

http://www.aim72.co.uk/page163.html (http://www.aim72.co.uk/page163.html)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2016, 03:38:22 AM
I believe this one is based upon the one I drew on the first page of this thread - a Valiant with B-47 style cockpit.

Until the AiM conversion is available you could scratch build a B.2 like this. (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/72943-another-mach-2-valiant-this-time-a-b2/)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on February 12, 2017, 10:54:05 PM
Maritime strike version developed by the RAF to counter the Sverdlov threat?
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on February 12, 2017, 11:35:50 PM

Until the AiM conversion is available you could scratch build a B.2 like this. ([url]http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/72943-another-mach-2-valiant-this-time-a-b2/[/url])


It would have been easier if you just got an AiM Valiant B.2 vacuform kit (got one in the stash), but now the AiM resin conversion for the Airfix kit is out, it's a moot point
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2017, 04:29:32 AM
RAAF Valiant anyone?

(http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Valiant-WP206/RAAF_Valiant.jpg)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on April 10, 2017, 09:04:21 AM
RAAF Valiant anyone?

([url]http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Valiant-WP206/RAAF_Valiant.jpg[/url])


Change those upper wing roundel's to skippy's, and I I've got a use for your RAAF Valiant Greg!!

M.A.D
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on April 10, 2017, 09:09:48 AM
Maritime strike version developed by the RAF to counter the Sverdlov threat?

Nice and sensible idea mate! (assuming it's before the identified structural fatigue issue were discovered)
Would make it the RAF equivalent of Soviet's 'Badger'
A good air-to-surface search radar.....A good EW suit.....
What anti-ship weapon would you arm it with?

M.A.D
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on April 10, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
Maritime strike version developed by the RAF to counter the Sverdlov threat?

Nice and sensible idea mate! (assuming it's before the identified structural fatigue issue were discovered)
Would make it the RAF equivalent of Soviet's 'Badger'
A good air-to-surface search radar.....A good EW suit.....
What anti-ship weapon would you arm it with?

M.A.D

Highball! 
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on April 10, 2017, 07:34:18 PM
Yeah, I hear and acknowledge your 'Highball' Rickshaw
But I'm thinking something more accurate, guided and something with a little more stand-off range!

M.A.D
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Kelmola on April 10, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
Red Angel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Angel_(rocket)) or Green Cheese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Cheese_(missile)) maybe? These were historically the responses to the "Sverdlov scare" (and cancelled all the same).

Or then the RAF/FAA could just swallow their pride and buy an actual functional missile system from the Swedes, the venerable SAAB RB04 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RB_04) (first test launch 1955, squadron service 1959).
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 11, 2017, 05:57:10 AM
Yeah, I hear and acknowledge your 'Highball' Rickshaw
But I'm thinking something more accurate, guided and something with a little more stand-off range!

M.A.D

TV guided Tallboy

bottom two pics to show size comparison
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on April 11, 2017, 06:40:19 AM
Wow, shit a brick Kalmola – the RB-04 of course!!
I’d been scratching my head regarding the adoption of a missile into an anti-ship weapon, and never gave the RB-04 a thought! Thank’s!!
You’ve also solved a problem for me regarding my ’Alternative ADF ORBAT' dilemma Kalmola! I specifically need a specialised anti-ship missile for the ADF to counter Indonesia’s Sverdlev problem, and now I’ve got it – RAAF modifies a portion of its squadron of Boeing B-50's, when replaced by Vickers Valiant B.2's into the long-range harbinger role, with turboprop's and RB-04's, to become long-range anti-Sverdlev platforms; or at least allow its Lockheed P-2 Neptune's be armed with RB-04's!!

M.A.D
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Buzzbomb on April 11, 2017, 07:29:26 AM
Of course there is the single example of the prototype parasite fighter carrier version  ;) ;)
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/gallery/others/whatif/acft/test1.jpg)

(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/gallery/others/whatif/acft/test2.jpg)

Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on April 11, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
Yeah, I hear and acknowledge your 'Highball' Rickshaw
But I'm thinking something more accurate, guided and something with a little more stand-off range!

M.A.D

When it is rocket boosted and nuclear warheaded, you don't need accuracy or "stand off" range!  ;)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on April 16, 2017, 01:03:04 PM
Of course there is the single example of the prototype parasite fighter carrier version  ;) ;)

([url]http://www.modelblokez.org.au/gallery/others/whatif/acft/test2.jpg[/url])


Ah, so Gnat converted to a ASM - a little reminiscent of the Soviet adoption of MiG-17 and MiG-19 aerodynamic adoption to make KS-1 Komet ('Kennel') & Kh-20M (AS-3 'Kangaroo')!

I like it buzzbomb, just as I love your model mate!!

M.A.D
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on April 21, 2017, 05:13:01 AM
I think buzzbomb's Gnats (Midges?) are still manned. I like it!
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 22, 2017, 02:12:20 AM
I think buzzbomb's Gnats (Midges?) are still manned. I like it!

Indeed.  Though the idea of a big ASM using the Folland Gnat as a starting point is interesting.
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 02, 2021, 04:50:03 AM
(https://wilkybarkid.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/valiant-b2-raf1.png)

(https://wilkybarkid.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/valiant-raaf1.png)

(https://wilkybarkid.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/valiant-usa1.png)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 05, 2022, 08:12:42 PM
Photo from the USS Zuckerberg. Intercepted transmission:

"Capt. Zee, Accounting Dept. here. It appears that your bank account canna' take it any more!  She's gonna blow any time now if you don't take any action! Oh, wait, you never done anything except to fill you wallet. Belay this request!"

A very nice 1/72 Valiant B.2 build.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/60994522_2226282370773614_3276494863511584768_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=c7q02qAeQPoAX-WvBKv&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-UQKQGtpJksxuvA0TymhTK57ogqnHRZ5WQllZUfChWKg&oe=6225CC44)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 06, 2022, 02:40:53 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Rat on February 06, 2022, 03:51:23 AM
2 real world examples are sexy, the prototype:

(https://static1.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/avval_04.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=646&dpr=1.5)

and the B.2:

(https://external-preview.redd.it/a6euhcuiT_j9IMPM60BIJdov8Auhi-I_01qzK2oCkaQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=1df0d7e2427ca474e137e550e39d14cc17b4e78d)
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on February 06, 2022, 04:48:37 AM
I've got a conversion to do the top one using an AiM Valiant B.1 and an AiM Valiant B.2 in the stash ----- both 1/72
Title: Re: Vickers Valiant Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Buzzbomb on February 06, 2022, 05:45:28 AM
That B2 is really sweet.

For a run of the mill type aircraft, it can still look quite the business