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Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« on: July 22, 2012, 04:03:46 AM »
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2012, 04:04:27 AM »
I have always liked the idea of a RAF or RCAF Badger as a missing V-bomber.
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2012, 06:26:15 AM »
I have always liked the idea of a RAF or RCAF Badger as a missing V-bomber.

Perhaps Gloster or Blackburn? Those engine nacelles beside the fuselage are a little reminiscent of the Javelin/Buccaneer.

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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2012, 06:30:49 AM »
Gloster / Blackburn Vengeance?
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2012, 06:35:24 AM »
Sounds good! Perhaps Vengeful if you want to deconflict with Vultee's product. Hmmmmm... I have a Badger-C somewhere.......

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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 06:37:49 AM »
Of course, given the Tu-16 still has some Tu-4/B-29 heritage...what about an American version...maybe as a low risk Boeing alternative to their B-47...just in case it didn't work out?
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 06:47:38 AM »
^ So what, coming on stream '48-'49ish? Trouble is, the West has got nothing like the Mikulin AM-3 round that time. It's a monster!!!

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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2012, 07:20:02 AM »
Maybe...but let's not let the facts get in the way. ;)
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2012, 07:36:05 AM »
^ Fair snuff!  :)

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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2012, 09:19:44 AM »
Of course, given the Tu-16 still has some Tu-4/B-29 heritage...what about an American version...maybe as a low risk Boeing alternative to their B-47...just in case it didn't work out?

Sorta: "What if the Americans got the Junkers design team and their EF 132 design and not Soviets?"  ;)

I don't know whether Tupolev actually used the Junkers design, but the overall layout of the EF 132 looks pretty similar to the Tu-16's.


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So, a B-29 with swept wings and the jet engines buried in the wing root?
Would look a lot like tc2324's Tu-90:

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If you want to change the engines to Western ones (as per Empty Handed's comment), maybe three in a row as on the EF 132, or, a little weirder, the inner two over-under and a  third one next to them.
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2012, 10:40:43 AM »
One option could have been an American development of the German DB 109-016 turbojet design.  This proposed very large engine (length: 6,70 m /21 ft, diameter: 2 m /6 ft) was designed for a static thrust was 13,000 Kg (28,652 lb).
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 03:03:17 PM »
I always liked the Junkers triple-jet layout ....

Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 07:08:44 PM »
As a V-bomber insurance policy ('52-'54 timeframe?) the de Havilland Gyron could be brought into the equation (suitably "super-prioritised" of course).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Gyron

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1957/1957%20-%201073.html?search=gyron


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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2012, 11:55:11 AM »
Of course, given the Tu-16 still has some Tu-4/B-29 heritage...what about an American version...maybe as a low risk Boeing alternative to their B-47...just in case it didn't work out?

Sorta: "What if the Americans got the Junkers design team and their EF 132 design and not Soviets?"  ;)

I don't know whether Tupolev actually used the Junkers design, but the overall layout of the EF 132 looks pretty similar to the Tu-16's.


SOURCE

So, a B-29 with swept wings and the jet engines buried in the wing root?
Would look a lot like tc2324's Tu-90:

LINK
If you want to change the engines to Western ones (as per Empty Handed's comment), maybe three in a row as on the EF 132, or, a little weirder, the inner two over-under and a  third one next to them.


You know, I've always had that inkling re the EF 132, in both terms of the Tu-16 & the B-47!!
Nice effort with the Tu-4/Tu-16 marriage!!!

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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2012, 07:37:08 PM »
One of my "theme" ideas is What If Fouga, rather than Dassault, became the pre-eminent French aircraft manufacturer and applied a "house style" (as exemplified by the Magister) to all their products, modified only by the dictates of speed. The Tu-16 is a natural donor for a Fouga bomber since it has long wings and root-mounted engines. All it needs to complete the look is a V-tail and possibly a B-47-style nose...
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2012, 12:57:20 AM »
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2012, 04:56:19 AM »
We need a Badger with a pointy nose and four engines tucked together.    ;D
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2012, 04:02:51 PM »
^ Perhaps a Badger with an E-E Lightning fuselage on each wing root?

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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2012, 04:41:26 PM »
Hmmm...that would be interesting.
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Re: Tupolev Tu-16 "Badger" Ideas and Inspiration
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