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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2013, 10:15:33 AM »
Well the reason the Soviets asked for the Nene was their in ability to significantly improve the German engines by 1946 and remember the US was still struggling with the J35 axil turbo jet as well.  The Nene, Ghost and Tay were the way to go in the late 40s.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2013, 03:25:20 AM »
They may still get Nene data the old fashioned way…through espionage.
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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2013, 06:18:55 AM »
Well the reason the Soviets asked for the Nene was their in ability to significantly improve the German engines by 1946 and remember the US was still struggling with the J35 axil turbo jet as well.  The Nene, Ghost and Tay were the way to go in the late 40s.
Well, part of my reasoning that was that several of the deficiencies of the German engines were material-driven and that the USSR would be able to obtain the needed alloys to make longer-lasting turbines and such.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2013, 07:15:10 AM »
Or alternatively, use them in a battlefield role.  Drop one or two on Soviet Front lines or just behind as they are concentrating forces.
ISTR that such a tactical drop, though on Zhukov and Konev's shared HQ complex, was how the Allied/Rommel German coalition stopped the Soviet overstepping of their allowed bounds in Fox At The Front... another plausible scenario source.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2013, 03:15:20 PM »
They may still get Nene data the old fashioned way…through espionage.

Yes, Phillby, Burgess, et al were active at that time and without the friendly terms between the USSR and UK they (the Soviets)would be even more active in espionage.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2013, 04:12:23 PM »
True, but it still would have taken longer.  People seem to forget how effective espionage can be, just look at the leaps and bounds the Chinese are making these days, even managing to steal DuPont's super secret white pigment that they have never shared or even patented in fear of someone being able to reverse engineer it.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2013, 08:02:08 PM »
True, but it still would have taken longer.  People seem to forget how effective espionage can be, just look at the leaps and bounds the Chinese are making these days, even managing to steal DuPont's super secret white pigment that they have never shared or even patented in fear of someone being able to reverse engineer it.

Oh yes, perhaps years. We might not see the Mig-15 as we know it until the mid to late '50s.Then again when the Mossad wanted the Swiss Mirage plans......

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2013, 02:24:32 AM »
Then again when the Mossad wanted the Swiss Mirage plans......

Or did they? ;)
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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2013, 01:49:40 PM »
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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2015, 08:22:44 AM »
In that timeframe we barely had enough bombs to hit all the cities in the USSR.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2015, 08:28:27 AM »
In that timeframe we barely had enough bombs to hit all the cities in the USSR.

In that time frame the US lacked both the means and the knowledge of how to find most cities in the fUSSR.  They weren't where they were thought to be in most cases.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2015, 02:03:57 PM »
In that timeframe we barely had enough bombs to hit all the cities in the USSR.

In that time frame the US lacked both the means and the knowledge of how to find most cities in the fUSSR.  They weren't where they were thought to be in most cases.
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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2015, 09:27:03 PM »
In that timeframe we barely had enough bombs to hit all the cities in the USSR.

In that time frame the US lacked both the means and the knowledge of how to find most cities in the fUSSR.  They weren't where they were thought to be in most cases.
... and it wasn't a problem that was unique to the US.

Didn't mean to imply it was, Jon.   RAF and USAF conducted a massive mapping exercise over Eastern Europe and fUSSR for 30 years until the Soviet defences became too strong.  By then satellites had taken over and it continued till the end of the Cold War and after till today.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2015, 01:25:22 AM »
In that timeframe we barely had enough bombs to hit all the cities in the USSR.

In that time frame the US lacked both the means and the knowledge of how to find most cities in the fUSSR.  They weren't where they were thought to be in most cases.
Hence the origin of the program that became the Lockheed U-2.  Personally, I'd love to have seen Bell's X-16 built.

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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2015, 02:38:31 AM »
RAF and USAF conducted a massive mapping exercise over Eastern Europe and fUSSR for 30 years until the Soviet defences became too strong. 

they also relied a lot upon info supplied by the Germans after WWII.
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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2015, 02:42:05 AM »
Personally, I'd love to have seen Bell's X-16 built.

Mmmmm…Sharkit did do a 1/72 Bell X-16 kit.  I wonder if it is still available?
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Re: WWIII in 1946-1948?
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2015, 03:43:18 AM »
Mmmmm…Sharkit did do a 1/72 Bell X-16 kit.  I wonder if it is still available?


It's a fairly expensive desktop model: http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/X-16/x16.htm