Skywave / Pitroad modern navy accessories parts ID

[Volkodav]

I have raided my various Dragon 1/700 Ship kits and have lots and lots of US, UK and other NATO/Euro weapons and accessories.  Basically rather than tooling these bits for each kit individually they have included the entire sprue with everything, i.e. HMS Daring has a sprue full of gun mounts, missile launchers, radars and directors just to provide the kit with a Lynx helo.

My problem is while I know or can work out what most of this is I don't know all of it is so does anyone have a sheet that IDs it all or could scan the back of the original Skywave / Pitroad boxes (I think these have the details) that would be great.

When whiffing a completely fictional RN BBG I would like to match the correct radars , directors etc. to the appropriate launchers.

[Cliffy B]

I know the sprues you're talking about.  Give me a day or so and I'll find shots and ID the parts for you.

I love that they throw in the whole sprue in each kit.  Wonderful spare parts fodder but I still find myself looking for more of certain parts because the sprues only have 1-2 of what I want 

[Volkodav]

Great, thanks for that.  I am planning to build Duke of York up with main armament intact but will leave the various secondaries and tertiaries off until I know exactly what I have to play with.
I still haven't decided what period I'll do which will effect outfit and back story.

[Cliffy B]

OK, I'll do the RN Weapon's Sprue for now since you're doing a KGV.  If you want the two US sprues (WWII and Modern) done as well just ask.  Keep in mind the RN sprue has some US equipment as well, particularly Cold War era SAMs (very highly prized!!!)

I don't have one of my sprues in front of me at the moment so I'm just going off of those shots so sorry if I have "" as an entry.  Not all the parts are facing the same side and the reviewer didn't flip it over so...    All answers are to the best of my knowledge.  Remember that some of the parts are to be considered "representations" IE some artistic liberty was taken due to casting technologies so they won't look "exactly" like they're supposed to look.

See "Sprue B" for close up shots: http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/hms/dd/700-liverpool-dr/dragon-review.html

Said Weapons Sprue: http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/hms/dd/700-york-dr/york-B.jpg

Oh boy...71 parts to name...here goes 

1: Type 1022 Radar - 2D Air Search
2: Type 965 Radar (Double) - 2D Air Search
3: Boat Davits - Whaleboats, Launches,etc...
4: Encapsulated Life Rafts - See them on all USN and Allied vessels
5: Lynx Helo - Right Half
6: Lynx Helo - Left Half
7: Lynx Helo - Rotor Blades
8: Lynx Helo - Landing Gear
9: Lynx Helo - Horizontal Stabilizer (Tail)
10: SPG-55 Illuminators - For Terrier and Later, Standard SAMs (USN)
11: Type 909 Illuminators - For Sea Dart (Minus Covers)

12: Mark 10 GMLS (USN) - Early Terrier Launchers
13: Terriers/Standard SAMs - With Boosters
14: Terriers/Standard SAMs - Sans Boosters
15: Mark 10 GMLS (USN) - Launch Rail (Left side)
16: Mark 10 GMLS (USN) - Launch Rail (Right side)
17: SAM Missile Launch Rails - Unknown type (USN Mk-26 maybe?)
18: SAM Missile Launch Rails - Unknown type (USN Mk-26 maybe?)
19: Sea Dart Launch Rail with SAM - Right Side
20: Sea Dart Launch Rail with SAM - Left Side
21: Sea Dart Launcher - Center Post
22: Sea Dart Launcher - Base Plate

23:   Some sort of pedestals maybe?
24: Twin 20mm Cannons
25:   Antennae of some sort
26: SCOT SATCOM Domes
27:   Single Encapsulated Life Rafts maybe?
28: Type 992 or 1006 with radio aerial outriggers - Surface Search Radar
29: Type 992 or 1006 - Surface Search Radar
30: Single GAM-B01 20mm Cannons
31: Single Oerlikon 20mm Cannons (Think WWII version)

32: Gun Barrels - Twin 3"/70 Autos (USN Version)
33: Gun Barrels - Twin 4.5"/45 (RN Mk. VI)
34: Gun Barrels - Single 4.5"/55 (RN Mk. VIII)
35: Gun Barrels - Single 5"/54 (Italian OTO Melara Mount)
36: Gun Barrels - Single 100mm/39 (French)
37: Gun Barrels - Meroka CIWS (Spanish)
38: SPG-60 - USN FC Radar (Half of the Mk-86 GFCS) - I think...
39: Knebworth-Corvus Chaff Launchers (RN)
40: SRBOC Chaff Launchers (USN)
41: No idea....Turret Rangefinders, deck vents, anteannae???

42: Chaff Launchers (RN - Can't remember the type)
43: Mk-32 Triple Torpedo Tubes (USN) - Lower Pair
44: Mk-32 Triple Torpedo Tubes (USN) - Upper Tube (they fit together to form a triangle when viewed end on)
45: Stowed Accommodation(ACCOM) Ladder (They lay flat against the main deck railings) - Generic
46: Stowed Accommodation(ACCOM) Ladder (They lay flat against the main deck railings) - Generic

47: Gun Mount - Twin 4.5"/45 (RN Mk. VI)
48: Gun Mount - Twin 3"/70 Autos (USN Version)
49: Gun Mount - Single 4.5"/55 (RN Mk. VIII)
50: Gun Mount - Single 100mm/39 (French)
51: Gun Mount - Single 5"/54 (Italian OTO Melara Mount)
52: Gun Mount - Meroka CIWS (Spanish)

53: Limbo ASW Mortar - Base
54: Limbo ASW Mortar - Launcher
55: Goalkeeper 30mm CIWS - The Invincible kits come with a different version but I highly doubt EITHER is accurate!!  Consult drawings/photos and scratch build/modify.
56: RHIBs - 10m I think?
57: Type 909 Sea Dart Illuminators - With Domes
58:
59: RHIB - 15m maybe?
60: Dinghy - 16' maybe?
61: Motor Launch - 20-30' (can't remember specifics)
62: Captains Launch - 20-30' (can't remember specifics)
63:   Double Versions of whatever Part 58 is

64: Quadruple Sea Cat SAM Launchers - Base (maybe???)
65: Quadruple Sea Cat SAM Launchers - Missiles
66: Sextuple Sea Wolf SAM Launcher - Center Post
67: Sextuple Sea Wolf SAM Launcher - Left and Right Missile Boxes
68: Exocet SSMs - Launcher Caps (Front and Back)
69: Exocet SSMs - Upper Launcher
70: Exocet SSMs - Launcher Base
71: Phalanx 20mm CIWS - HORRIBLY INACCURATE!!!!!!  Modify Heavily or scratch build!!!!!


If you need to specifics (how to assemble, where to place, orientations, etc...) let me know and I'll help you as much as I can.

-Mike

[ChernayaAkula]

^ IIRC, the Exocet containers are also much too big.

I really wish they'd just make a new set from new moulds, updated and (more) accurate. Include it with re-issued kits and offer them separately to those wishing to tart up older kits in their stashes.

[Volkodav]

Thanks for that, very useful info.  I would never have picked the US 3"/70s they had me stumped.  Too bad they didn't include the UK 3"/70 twin or the Mk26 6", they are a must for 50s / 60s RN wiffs.

[Weaver]

I thought the 48s were Breda-Bofors twin 40mm L70 compact mounts, the 33s were the barrels for them, and the 32s were the barrels for the RN 4.5" Mk.VI...?

Could the 58s and 63s be blocks for the various boats to sit on?

Could the 25 be a generic nav radar?

Could the 41s be the "vertical loaf" shaped jammers seen port and starboard on most RN ships?

Re Exocet boxes,  the allegedly 1/700th Pit Road ones are too big, while the allegedly 1/600th Airfix ones added to various old kits to update them are too small, so if you swap them over, they're pretty much right!

[Volkodav]

Cool I have an Airfix Amazon with Exocets.  Had a close look at the sprue I lifted from Dragons USS Virginia, it looks like new tooling with very fine detail and a much more realistic Standard missile for the finer Mk 26s.  I hope in time they do retool all of them as well as providing some more unusual stuff, Bofors 120mm twin and single mounts would be nice as well as the RN 3 and 6" mounts I mentioned earlier.  I wonder how long until we see some 1950/60s RN and Euro ships from Dragon and or Trumpeter, I would kill for a decent 1/700 pre helo conversion Tiger, a County and a Centaur.  Suffren, Tromp and Audace are pretty high up my list too, or maybe even Colbert, De Reuter and Garibaldi.

[Weaver]

A decent Leander in 1/700th should be a money-spinner for Airfix if they design it in a modular way so they can keep re-issuing it in different versions....

Weapons-wise, a Mk.13 would be good, as would an Oto-Melara 76mm Super Rapid, and Bofors SAK-57 Mk.1, 2 and 3, Aspide and Crotale.

[Volkodav]

I have gone to the dark side and ordered packets of 4" twin, 40mm Bofors singles and Quadruple 2pdr Pom Poms from WEM rather than scrounging the spares box and robbing other kits.  See how it goes on my RAN "War Emergency Program" Tribal Class Destroyer, may be lifting some or all of the Oerlikons from the weapons sprue detailed above for this project too.

Has anyone had any experience with Orange Hobby stuff?  They appear to do a variety of accessories that I may be tempted to try now I'm building stuff again.

[GTX_Admin]

What sort of experience are you after?  I have one of their 1/700 Juan Carlos class LHDs.

[Volkodav]

Well what is the kit as a whole like but specifically the helos and accessories supplied with it.  The photos on line show almost unbelievable detail with PE doors on helos etc.  Just thought Id ask for opinions before forking out for some bits, or even a full kit.