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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 30, 2011, 03:37:45 AM

Title: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 30, 2011, 03:37:45 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/A400M-1969.jpg/300px-A400M-1969.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A400M)
(Image source: Wikipedia > Airbus A400M Atlas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A400M))


***I removed the two dead links in this post that now lead to nowhere in an effort to clean things up the link to the Wikipedia page on the A400M is now the header so please carry on with discussions about all things Airbus.  jjf
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 03:43:06 AM
Must not buy...only want engines...
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 30, 2011, 04:18:35 AM
Must not buy...only want engines...

You are sharing my dilemma.  Focused on those engines and propellers and it set my imagination in motion.  That two-engine C-130 is looking pretty good about now.  Even better would be the four-engine high-performance C-130 with all of those A400M engines :^)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 04:31:05 AM
Maybe we should go halves in a purchase and take two engines each...maybe turn the remaining kit into a glider...or fit it with jets as per the early FLA ideas:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/index-37.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 30, 2011, 05:31:49 AM
Additional images of the Revell kit courtesy of IPMS Deutschland (http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/) can be see at this link: IPMS Deutschland RoG Airbus A400M "Grizzly" kit build (http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Flugzeuge/Wiegmann/Rev_A400M_Prototyp/Rev_A400M_72.html). 

(http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Flugzeuge/Wiegmann/Rev_A400M_Prototyp/Rev_A400M_23.jpg)
(image source: IPMS Deutschland (http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/)/Dieter Wiegmann)

The figures in the image look a bit strange.  Perhaps WW2 era German? 

Another possible kit bash might be a Transall C-160 with the engines from the A400M. 



Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
Or maybe a C27 with just one engine...on the tail...
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 04, 2012, 04:08:20 PM
Thomas Geier has provided images of the Revell of Germany 1/72nd scale Airbus A400M "Grizzly" (Nr. 04800) (http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=8740) in an in-box kit review at Modellversium (http://www.modellversium.de/)

(http://www.modellversium.de/kit/bilder/7/4/0/8740-deckel.jpg)
(image source: Thomas Geier/Modellversium (http://www.modellversium.de/))

It was certainly nice of Revell to include feathered and unfeathered propellers in the kit.  The way that the kit is set up with the individual engine nacelles as separate components will certainly allow for an opportunity to modify the kit for other types of propulsion.  That swept wing just begs for some large turbofans. 
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: finsrin on January 04, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
Those engines-props would make for a rippin fast STOL B-29 !
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 04, 2012, 08:53:47 PM
How about an RCAF Argus MK.3? Smokin'!!!

 :in-love:
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: finsrin on January 05, 2012, 05:58:16 AM
>>> CAUTION <<<    Argus 3 pilots be careful not to smash tail boom on runway when rotating to 45deg climb out.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 05, 2012, 06:08:58 AM
Yes, they damaged or lost 5 MAD booms until they developed a hinge which lifted  the boom up when Capt. Showing-off-to-the girl-friend does his min load, max power climb out at CFB Comox.

 :)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 05, 2012, 07:45:13 AM
Yes, they damaged or lost 5 MAD booms until they developed a hinge which lifted  the boom up when Capt. Showing-off-to-the girl-friend does his min load, max power climb out at CFB Comox.

 :)
>>> CAUTION <<<    Argus 3 pilots be careful not to smash tail boom on runway when rotating to 45deg climb out.

Might have to extend the landing gear on both types to get suitable clearance for those huge propellers.  Otherwise you will have one heck of a lawnmower.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 26, 2012, 12:05:25 AM
Nothing to stir up the imagination like a small thumbnail iimage that gives you the impression that someone has built a camouflaged Airbus.  Upon closer examination, it is not a camouflage scheme that was built by Jörg Teller but instead the primer colors for the various fuselage and wing assemblies that make up the complete aircraft.  In this case it is a 1/144th scale model. 

(http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/bilder/6/8/5/9685-tumb.jpg) (http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/18-flugzeuge-zivil/9685-airbus-a380-revell.html)
Click on the thumbnail to view the article and larger images of the A380 built by Jörg that have been uploaded to  (http://www.modellversium.de/). 
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2012, 03:40:53 AM
I recall seeing a photoshop or similar of an A-340 done up with twin bom bays years ago.

I plan one day to also do a A-340 with Wedgetail style radar.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 26, 2012, 03:43:25 AM
I recall seeing a photoshop or similar of an A-340 done up with twin bom bays years ago.

I plan one day to also do a A-340 with Wedgetail style radar.

With all of that fuselage real estate available you could mount the antenna to match the contours of the fuselage in a fashion similar to the Seawolf and the Virginia class submarines with the three large SONAR arrays along the sides of the hull. 
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: raafif on April 26, 2012, 07:05:28 AM
or just stick the whole sub halves on the A-340's fuselage !! :o
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Rickshaw on July 02, 2014, 08:14:21 PM
From Eurosatory 2014

(http://www.janes.com/images/assets/796/39796/39796_-_main.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Spey Phantom on July 03, 2014, 01:54:49 AM
Airbus yesterday also presented the first aircraft of its newer updated A320 line, the A320neo

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/the-first-a320neo-family-jetliner-is-readying-for-the-companys-flight-test-programme/ (http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/the-first-a320neo-family-jetliner-is-readying-for-the-companys-flight-test-programme/)

(http://images.flugrevue.de/sixcms/media.php/11/thumbnails/erste-A320_NEO_Rollout-toulouse-.jpg.4557674.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 03, 2014, 02:28:48 AM
From Eurosatory 2014

([url]http://www.janes.com/images/assets/796/39796/39796_-_main.jpg[/url])


Quote heard from cockpit seconds before photo taken:  "what's this button do…." ;D
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Rickshaw on July 03, 2014, 01:37:07 PM
Notice above button:  "Australian Bushfire Starter"...  ;D
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 22, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
Maybe we should go halves in a purchase and take two engines each...maybe turn the remaining kit into a glider...or fit it with jets as per the early FLA ideas:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/index-37.jpg[/url])

Inspired by that image, I clipped a bit of plastic material from the wings on one of my 1:144th scale A-400M kits.  The undersides of both wings have physical features that stand proud from the wing surface to support the engines so I removed that material in order to try and position some engines from a Zvezda Boeing 747.  It looks to be possible to use the jet engines with the shorter trailing edges and situate the engines a bit further forward of the wings in order to make them fit.  The other option might be to use the wings from the 747 (or 787) on the A-400M.  Not sure I want to do that much hacking on the kit though.  Now what to do with the turbine units from the A-400M...
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Kerick on December 22, 2014, 10:14:42 PM
From Eurosatory 2014

([url]http://www.janes.com/images/assets/796/39796/39796_-_main.jpg[/url])


Quote heard from cockpit seconds before photo taken:  "what's this button do…." ;D


Now dump fuel! :icon_surprised:
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Logan Hartke on July 12, 2017, 11:21:29 PM
(http://images2.onionstatic.com/onion/1763/4/original/1200.jpg) (http://www.theonion.com/graphic/after-a-string-of-accidents-u-haul-announces-closu-28975)

After A String Of Accidents, U-Haul Announces Closure Of Aircraft Division - The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/graphic/after-a-string-of-accidents-u-haul-announces-closu-28975)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 10, 2018, 11:47:46 PM
Airbus officially renames Bombardier-developed C Series the A220

C Series 100 will be known as the A220-100, while the larger C Series 300 will be the A220-300

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhvSENWWsAATjRx.jpg)

Story here http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cseries-airbus-1.4740345 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cseries-airbus-1.4740345)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: elmayerle on July 11, 2018, 11:32:28 AM
Only fair as I understand there's a growing tie-up between Boeing and Embraer.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 11, 2018, 07:29:07 PM
Yes there is. The dance competition is now finalized. A + B vs B + E.


Boeing to take over $4.75 billion Embraer unit, targeting Airbus-Bombardier. 80-percent stake.

Story: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-embraer-m-a-boeing/boeing-to-take-over-4-75-billion-embraer-unit-targeting-airbus-bombardier-idUSKBN1JV1D2 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-embraer-m-a-boeing/boeing-to-take-over-4-75-billion-embraer-unit-targeting-airbus-bombardier-idUSKBN1JV1D2)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 21, 2018, 06:23:34 AM
Sigh...yes it is the Merger/Acquisition season again (I'm even doing some of it...).  In addition to these, there is the UTC-Rockwell Collins merger plus a rumoured Honeywell-GE one...
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: kitnut617 on July 21, 2018, 08:29:26 AM
I read yesterday the founder of WestJet and the founder of JetBlue have form an alliance to form a new start up airline in the States. They've just placed an order for 60 A220's
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 21, 2018, 09:02:18 AM
I read yesterday the founder of WestJet and the founder of JetBlue have form an alliance to form a new start up airline in the States. They've just placed an order for 60 A220's

I read that too. Is the airline to be called JetJet or WestBlue?
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: kitnut617 on July 21, 2018, 09:12:07 AM
I read yesterday the founder of WestJet and the founder of JetBlue have form an alliance to form a new start up airline in the States. They've just placed an order for 60 A220's

I read that too. Is the airline to be called JetJet or WestBlue?

I don't think WestJet will have anything to do with it. Mind you, I did hear today at YYC (WestJet's home base), that WestJet and Delta have signed an agreement to work together. And it's Delta that's at the nub of the A220/C Series quarrel (I thought it was them that ordered the C Series that got Boeing all in a snit)

Anyway, I got to sign off, I'm going to the Cold Lake Airshow tomorrow and Sunday.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Daryl J. on July 21, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
Surely the A220 has some sort of ASW capability....
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: elmayerle on July 21, 2018, 01:24:57 PM
Sigh...yes it is the Merger/Acquisition season again (I'm even doing some of it...).  In addition to these, there is the UTC-Rockwell Collins merger plus a rumoured Honeywell-GE one...
Given what GE is divesting, I have to wonder who is acquiring who, there; Honeywell engines would nicely complement GE's portfolio of engines.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: apophenia on July 22, 2018, 03:54:36 AM
Surely the A220 has some sort of ASW capability....

https://defencemuse.wordpress.com/2017/10/06/argus-ii/   ;)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: jcf on February 17, 2019, 03:49:42 AM
Bye bye A380, potentially hard times ahead for Broughton.

https://www.aerosociety.com/news/requiem-for-a-superjumbo/ (https://www.aerosociety.com/news/requiem-for-a-superjumbo/)

Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 07, 2020, 08:26:03 AM
NOTAM to Airbus A350 operators.

NO DRINKS IN A350 COCKPITS

European Union Aviation Safety Agency has issued an emergency notice; No liquids in cockpit of Airbus A350. Two incidents of drink spillage caused un-commanded engine shut down & diversion. One flight was Delta #DL159 to Fairbanks on Jan 21, 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQIeYd8WkAEKmAs?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: ChernayaAkula on February 07, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
Why am I suddenly reminded of Jeffry's signature.....   ;D
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Kerick on February 07, 2020, 11:57:50 PM
Obviously Airbus doesn’t install cup holders in the cockpit. Gross oversight! :o
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 08, 2020, 02:55:48 AM
Obviously Airbus doesn’t install cup holders in the cockpit. Gross oversight! :o

It would appear as such. Two solutions come to mind:

Airbus Embroidered Wineskin

(https://www.zings.es/10513/wineskin-latex-curve.jpg)

or Airbus Camelback. Doubles as a safety vest.

(https://www.bikeinn.com/f/13635/136354224/camelbak-classic-2.5l.jpg)



Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Kerick on February 08, 2020, 08:11:39 AM
The camelback might work until the pilot leans way back in the seat and liquid squirts out the tube. :o
Extreme testing will be required before being cleared for flight!
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 09, 2021, 04:50:04 AM
In Richard Payne's "Stuck on the drawing board" HS149 is defined a four-engined derivative of A300B

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/hawker-siddeley-hs149-07-airliner.12503/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/hawker-siddeley-hs149-07-airliner.12503/)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/A300-4m.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/9ee24258-6ca4-4470-97e8-77a6baccd2cc)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: robunos on May 09, 2021, 05:04:14 AM
NOTAM to Airbus A350 operators.

NO DRINKS IN A350 COCKPITS

European Union Aviation Safety Agency has issued an emergency notice; No liquids in cockpit of Airbus A350. Two incidents of drink spillage caused un-commanded engine shut down & diversion. One flight was Delta #DL159 to Fairbanks on Jan 21, 2020

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQIeYd8WkAEKmAs?format=jpg&name=large)


Sounds like the plot of 'Fate is the Hunter' . . .


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter_(film)


and I remember seeing the movie on TV when I was a kid . . .   8)


cheers,
Robin.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 10, 2023, 03:23:59 AM
With revell re-releasing their 1996 Airbus A330-300, its got me wondering how hard it would be to convert to a RCAF CC-330 (which I believe is based on a A330-200)?
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: apophenia on September 10, 2023, 11:30:04 AM
With revell re-releasing their 1996 Airbus A330-300, its got me wondering how hard it would be to convert to a RCAF CC-330 (which I believe is based on a A330-200)?

Graeme: Have you seen this? -- https://uamf.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=21393 (https://uamf.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=21393)

It shows the needed fuselage cuts and taller A330-200 replacement tail (Bra.Z Models BZ4011). For the CC-330, of course, you'd also need to replace Revell's PW4000s with Trent 700 (Bra.Z Models BZ4002). Those Bra.Z bits are currently available at Hannants.

-- https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BZ4011?result-token=N5c4A (https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BZ4011?result-token=N5c4A)
-- https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BZ4002?result-token=N5c4A (https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BZ4002?result-token=N5c4A)

But that is before you get to the MRTT bits ...  ;)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Spey Phantom on September 10, 2023, 04:14:59 PM
ive built an A330-MRTT in RCAF markings back in 2016 (CC-165T Manitoba, before it became realworld).
but i think your better of using a Revell A340 for this conversion, as the fuselage of the A330 and A-340 are the same, but the A330-MRTT uses the A340 wing (with the Hose units fitted where the outer engines would be).

fuselage conversion is relaivly simple, just cut out 6 windows from the forward fuselage and 4 windows from the rear.
the tail should be a little higher, but i didnt do that as it was too much of a hastle, call it modellers compromise.  ;)

(https://www.modellversium.de/galerie/img/8/9/9/16899/3300978/airbus-a330-223-revell.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: The Big Gimper on September 10, 2023, 11:20:39 PM
I just leaned about the common fuselage and wing. Very smart move.

The A330 MRTT has a maximum fuel capacity of 111,000 kg (245,000 lb) without the use of additional fuel tanks, leaving space for 45,000 kg (99,000 lb) of additional cargo. The A330 MRTT's wing has common structure with the four-engine A340-200/-300 with reinforced mounting locations and provision for fuel piping for the A340's outboard engines. The A330 MRTT's wing therefore requires little modification to use these hardpoints for the wing refuelling pods.[3][unreliable source?]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A330_MRTT
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 12, 2023, 02:06:43 AM

Graeme: Have you seen this? -- https://uamf.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=21393 (https://uamf.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=21393)
]

But that is before you get to the MRTT bits ...  ;)

Oh wow! And great point about the revell A340...but man, those are spendy! Like 1/72 scale spendy! I guess the A340 has been OOP for some time.

I think 3D printing will fill the void for MRTT parts ... or option 2 is wait for a release?
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 12, 2023, 02:43:33 AM
Some options:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/1413941-22360-29-pristine.jpg)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/1200773-22360-44-pristine.jpg)

And also from Click2detail in 1/144:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/1476969-11761-35-pristine.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: apophenia on September 12, 2023, 09:00:19 AM
Some options:

Nice! I never thought to look under KC-30A  :-[
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 13, 2023, 02:04:41 AM
A simple and subtle whiff would be to do a KC30 in USAF markings:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/1342665-11761-19-pristine.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 17, 2023, 08:05:34 AM
I was on FB marketplace the other day, and decided to type in Airbus A340. As luck would have it, one was posted for sale the day before, not 20 minutes away, for only $50! Needless to say, it now sits in my stash.

I didn't know about Hamilton Hobbies or the Click 2 detail bits -  they will make this much more do-able.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 18, 2023, 01:14:19 AM
1/144 I presume?
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 18, 2023, 07:15:45 AM
Yep, Revell boxing. Its big even in 144th!
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: apophenia on September 19, 2023, 06:07:29 AM
I was on FB marketplace the other day, and decided to type in Airbus A340...

Good score! And now you've got four CFM56 nacelles for the spares box  :smiley:

Are you tempted to do a gear-up diorama?
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 20, 2023, 01:44:20 AM
Are you tempted to do a gear-up diorama?

That's a very interesting question. Short answer is yes.

I've amassed a pretty decent collection of unbuilt RCAF/RCN aircraft in 72 and 144. The intent has always been to have them on display, and I find aircraft generally look better gear up & canopy down. To that end, I've acquired dozens of feet of clear plexiglass rod. I think a nut epoxied on the inside of the fuselage, and if I run a die with matching threads on the rod, I can have a simple and secure mount. Bases could be simple wooden squares or circles with a nameplate.

Gear up is sometimes more difficult than gear down though!

Part of me is tempted to paint the canopy interior black and forgo cockpit detailing completely - these are models for "me" and not for contests or articles. Apart from decals, almost entirely OOTB. Almost like wooden desktop models.

I'd like to pair a 707 gassing up some CF116, an Airbus with some CF18, and the CC330 with some CF35 although I'm not sure if 144 F35's exist. I also have a CC141 I'd like to do the same with a CB-52  ;)

In fact, there's a host of 72nd kits I have that I'm considering replacing with 144th; pretty much all the 4 prop jobs, and a few of the 2 props (Albatross, Dash 8, Twotter, Caribou)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 20, 2023, 03:05:58 AM
although I'm not sure if 144 F35's exist.


They do
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 25, 2023, 02:31:25 AM
need to replace Revell's PW4000s with Trent 700 (Bra.Z Models BZ4002). Those Bra.Z bits are currently available at Hannants.


So the A340 comes with Trent 500's, and I from what I can tell the Trent 700 is around 3' longer. Same diameter.

Sounds like a lot, and even in 144th that's still about 1/4". Initially I thought a couple disks of .080 styrene might do the trick, but the manner in which revell has moulded the engine halves already mated to the wing mounts makes it less easy than just bisecting the engine and sanding some oversize circles flush. 

But on closer inspection, its more than just length, with the hot bits of the 700 (top) being more faired in that the 500 (bottom).

(http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53211099795_2e4f9c967e_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 25, 2023, 03:33:27 AM
Interestingly, the RCAF CC-330 Husky aircraft will come with Rolls-Royce Trent 700 engines whereas the RAAF's KC-30As are powered by two General Electric CF6-80E1A3 engines.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 25, 2023, 03:33:46 AM
Consarnit.

While the boxing of the A340 I have is Air Canada, and AC uses the Trent 500, it appears Revell has moulded the same CFM56-5C as other A340 operators.

So... BraZ Trent 700's, or, wait for Revell's re-pop of the A330, take those engines and fuselage, and kitbash with the A340 wings?
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: apophenia on September 25, 2023, 09:05:31 AM
... While the boxing of the A340 I have is Air Canada, and AC uses the Trent 500, it appears Revell has moulded the same CFM56-5C as other A340 operators...

Good to know that Revell researchers are right on top of all those fiddly details!

Mind you, comparing the Trent 500 and 700 cowlings, the conversion looks like 'a bit of a mission'. AFAIK, the big changes were dictated by the very different thrust-reverser designs.

... BraZ Trent 700's, or ...

Yep BraZ Models. Look like fairly nice mouldings and they're only about CAD 15 at Hannants at the moment.
Title: Re: Airbus
Post by: Gingie on September 26, 2023, 01:23:41 AM
Yeah, I sprung for the BraZ motors and tail. Not 100% sure if I'll go the tanker route, or leave it as a Strategic Transport. Might even do the "RCAF One" scheme if Above & Below Graphics does a sheet.