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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: ysi_maniac on July 18, 2012, 10:02:43 AM

Title: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 18, 2012, 10:02:43 AM: Mixed with MiG-15
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig19_15.jpg)

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig19_15-1.jpg)

A different Fantan
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mirage3e_mig19_01.jpg)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: arc3371 on July 18, 2012, 10:34:34 AM: Two "Super 5" I did a long time ago

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/arc3371/HRZ-3.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f224/arc3371/XXX1.jpg)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: Daryl J. on July 18, 2012, 10:58:10 AM: T tail.
Test platform for the MiG-21 delta wing.
Analog for the Tu-144.
DACM aircraft for USAF and USN.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: dy031101 on July 18, 2012, 11:17:27 AM: (http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/I-1_withFantanNose.jpg)

Parallel I-1 instead of the SM becoming MiG-19/J-6 and basis for Q-5. This one has a big centrifugal flow turbojet as opposed to two smaller axial flow ones.

I have not gotten around incorporating the fin root drag chute compartment on this one.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: arc3371 on July 18, 2012, 12:50:11 PM: Quote from: dy031101 on July 18, 2012, 11:17:27 AM
([url]http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/I-1_withFantanNose.jpg[/url])

Parallel I-1 instead of the SM becoming MiG-19/J-6 and basis for Q-5. This one has a big centrifugal flow turbojet as opposed to two smaller axial flow ones.

I have not gotten around incorporating the fin root drag chute compartment on this one.

That is good looking
Title: Suggestion on...... naval MiG-19-2000?
Post by: dy031101 on April 01, 2013, 11:34:08 AM: I thought I would never be visiting that one. Never say never, I guess.

Take I-1 with its afterburning centrifugal-flow turbojet (I am doing this for the sake of my mental notes idea, so it doesn't follow any of our history development, so to speak), give it a solid nose and other aerodynamic refinement, and a radar for either Derby (via Grifo maybe) or R-77 (via Kopyo) BVRAAM, as well as the companion dogfight WVRAAMs......

I'm not all that knowledgeable when it comes to aerodynamics though...... I wonder what I can do to maximize the maneuverability, perferably without having to resort to FBW......
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: elmayerle on April 01, 2013, 12:20:14 PM: Cross with a Ye-2 engine installation coupled with a SM-12 intake. Alternatively, a Fantan with that engine installation and variable intakes.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: finsrin on April 01, 2013, 01:44:21 PM: Good graphic :)
Surprising that Mig-15 wing looks fine on Mig-19.
Gives me other wing ideas: A-6 wing for an attack version. U-2 like wing and enlarged intake to gulp thin air for high altitude recon.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 22, 2013, 05:21:07 AM: Farmer with Gina's nose

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig19_91.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/mig19_91.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: elmayerle on September 22, 2013, 11:40:58 AM: Fantan with a SU-17-style VG wing and a carefully enlarged and shaped nose for radar and/or other sensors.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 11, 2014, 07:10:13 AM: Looks like one of Greg's UAV profiles of actual aircraft, but is probably some real Chinese F-6-based UAV (no further info on this):

(http://img2.itiexue.net/1594/15944054.jpg)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: Vuk on November 11, 2014, 05:43:09 PM: Commercial? ;)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 12, 2014, 03:00:46 AM: :) ;D
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: Geoff on January 21, 2015, 03:46:29 AM: It's only a colour change. In real life IIRC they got exported to Egypt and Iraq. How about Iranian Revolutionary guard in the Iran/Iraq war? Or any number of African countries.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 22, 2015, 02:31:00 AM: :)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 26, 2015, 05:03:53 AM: Quote from: arc3371 on July 18, 2012, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: dy031101 on July 18, 2012, 11:17:27 AM
([url]http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/I-1_withFantanNose.jpg[/url])

Parallel I-1 instead of the SM becoming MiG-19/J-6 and basis for Q-5. This one has a big centrifugal flow turbojet as opposed to two smaller axial flow ones.

I have not gotten around incorporating the fin root drag chute compartment on this one.

That is good looking

AGREED!!
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 26, 2015, 05:04:42 AM: Delta Farmer

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/FarmerDelta.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/FarmerDelta.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: Daryl J. on September 16, 2017, 12:41:15 AM: White over NMF
Skis

Simple, but given its shape, an interesting machine to view.
As to who would use it? Hu knows?!
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: dy031101 on January 11, 2019, 12:52:35 AM: I learned from the first DCS World Newsletter of 2019 that a module for the MiG-19P is in development (https://razbamsimulations.com/index.php/dcs/mig-19-project).

On the what-if front...... a Super-6 or J-6FS along the same line as the F-100BI?

Middle: Wingtip SRAAM carriage exclusive to the J-6III, the definitive high-speed day fighter derivative of Shenyang J-6.

Bottom: A even-simpler (modelling-wise) what-if...... PL-8 WVRAAM.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: elmayerle on January 12, 2019, 01:03:49 PM: Perhaps a cross between the Ye-8 and the SM-12M or a suitable J-6 variant and the J-7FS?
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 07, 2019, 10:08:57 PM: Alter SM-12

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/alter_sm12.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/alter_sm12.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 16, 2019, 01:00:14 AM: More soviet beauties around MiG-19 and MiG-21

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG21_SM12.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG21_SM12.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 05, 2019, 08:30:33 AM: What if Fantan treatement

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/FantanTreatement.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/FantanTreatement.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 05, 2019, 10:12:37 AM: Nice work! Some neat ideas there.

Also really like the nose-jobbed MiG-19s. Can't really pick a favourite, though. Either the Super Mystere or 2nd/3rd generation Fishbed nose.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: dy031101 on February 16, 2020, 11:16:14 AM: Quote from: elmayerle on January 12, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
Perhaps a cross between the Ye-8 and the SM-12M or a suitable J-6 variant and the J-7FS?

(https://i.imgur.com/dIiSUbE.jpg)

Much fleshing-out will be needed from here.

Based on J-6III. Reduced wingspan and increased chord length compared to regular J-6. Two NR-30 cannons.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 17, 2020, 01:16:09 AM: That looks good.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ChernayaAkula on February 17, 2020, 03:31:22 AM: Very good! :smiley:
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 24, 2022, 11:45:04 AM: This time RW. Evolution of MiG-19.

Left column, from top.
MiG-17F
I-370 (between MiG-17 and MiG-19)
MiG-19P
SM-12 (between MiG-19 and MiG-21)

Right column: original drawings from MiG OKB

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MiG_I370_SM12.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/a8236410-d60c-47d3-bcc2-8086ba8d505d)
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 03, 2023, 01:48:03 PM: (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MiG-19-var.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MiG-19-var.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds")
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ChernayaAkula on December 04, 2023, 09:03:29 AM: Making a rather agricultural (see what I did there? ;)) design pretty elegant! :-*

Although I do dread what a Super Mystere would look like having been given the Voldemort treatment.
Title: Re: MiG-19, chinese versions and Fantan
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 05, 2024, 10:49:53 AM: T-tail Farmer

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MiG-19-var-tt.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MiG-19-var-tt.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)