Author Topic: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby  (Read 110294 times)

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #125 on: June 25, 2014, 09:03:54 AM »
Now returning to the current topic of products from DML/Dragon Models Limited/CyberHobby and your question regarding reviews of the Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70).

Modeling Madness - Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70)
Panzer-Modell.de - Dragon KPz-70

YouTube - Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70)
Dragon 'Black Label' MBT-70 (KPz. 70)


Thanks, I'll look at those and see if it's worth purchasing.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #126 on: June 25, 2014, 10:23:35 PM »
I'd love to whif this kit as a Canadian Armoured Corps, following the same career path as the Leopard. So we'd end up with a well worn MBT-70 with MEXAS armour and slats and mine plow somewhere in Panjwai.

Offline Old Wombat

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2014, 10:56:55 PM »
I'd love to whif this kit as a Canadian Armoured Corps, following the same career path as the Leopard. So we'd end up with a well worn MBT-70 with MEXAS armour and slats and mine plow somewhere in Panjwai.

Well, I'm not stopping you! :D
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Offline Jacques Deguerre

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #128 on: June 26, 2014, 05:49:01 AM »
I'm very happy to see the Saladin and I hope it's accurate but $68 USD is painful. Might have to wait for sale to buy it.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #129 on: June 26, 2014, 03:52:15 PM »
i picked up one of the KPz.70 kits, very nice indeed and not too scary in price for a new tool kit too, heres hoping the MBT.70 is not too far behind it :)

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #130 on: June 27, 2014, 04:50:55 AM »
Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot wern't?
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Offline Old Wombat

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #131 on: June 27, 2014, 11:00:53 AM »
Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot weren't?

That's a "yes".
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #132 on: June 27, 2014, 07:10:43 PM »
Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot wern't?

As was the L2A1 AR (Automatic Rifle) which also had the auto safety and heavy barrel.  Always thought an AR with a conventional fore stock would have been a good thing.  It was a mean looking weapon but my experience of a triple feed and jam on the range did temper my view of them.  I often carried one as No.2 on the gun in my Uni Regiment days, the idea being that in the event of a major stoppage on the M-60 the No.1 and Section 2IC would fix the gun and I would provide suppressive fire with the AR.

Is this getting to the point that its worth splitting off into a separate topic on FN FALs and derivatives?
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #133 on: June 27, 2014, 07:15:38 PM »
Probably.
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2014, 03:28:11 AM »
Hmm…I wonder…Saladin with 30mm RARDEN cannon.
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2014, 03:38:09 AM »
Hmm…I wonder…Saladin with 30mm RARDEN cannon.
A kit bash with the Scorpion or the Scimitar would get you a nice turret upgrade :)
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #136 on: August 03, 2014, 05:15:26 AM »
This just in at Hannants:



http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN6789

Wonder what's wrong with this one................... ::)
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Offline Rickshaw

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #137 on: August 03, 2014, 11:09:53 AM »
If the boxtop picture is anything to go by, it looks a bit stunted compared to the Commander in the hatch...

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #138 on: August 03, 2014, 11:15:32 AM »
It looks like a M6 to me so I am happy:



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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #139 on: August 07, 2014, 08:58:16 PM »
Hobby Search has posted some infos on Dragon's upcoming M103A2! LINK!

Not sure whether the machine-translated blurb says anything about fixing some of the more obvious mistakes in the M103A1 kit or whether they just catered for the differences between versions.
Then again, fixing the errors would probably entail completely new hull upper and lower halves.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #140 on: August 08, 2014, 05:26:19 AM »
Hobby Search has posted some infos on Dragon's upcoming M103A2! LINK!

Not sure whether the machine-translated blurb says anything about fixing some of the more obvious mistakes in the M103A1 kit or whether they just catered for the differences between versions.
Then again, fixing the errors would probably entail completely new hull upper and lower halves.
Thanks for sharing the information.  This version of the M103 is my favorite.  Monster Tank!  Now it just needs some tweeks from the M60A3 like the top-loading air cleaners and a thermal wrap around the gun tube plus a laser range finder :)
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #141 on: December 20, 2014, 03:17:35 AM »
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #142 on: December 20, 2014, 05:47:58 AM »
I wonder if they'll do the ARV version of the Conqueror ??  very different & saw longer service than the gun-tank.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #143 on: December 20, 2014, 06:52:19 AM »
Black Label? :shudder: If its anything like the KpZ 70, stay away (unless you see it for $25)

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #144 on: December 20, 2014, 09:23:43 AM »
Isn't Bronco or one of the other mainland Chinese companies doing a Conqueror?  I fear this one by Dragon will be as bad as the M103.

What was wrong with the KpZ70?  I haven't read any reviews so I am assuming they effed it up?

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #145 on: December 20, 2014, 02:33:33 PM »
I've read a build-review of their K.Pz-70 kit (on ML or Armorama).  From memory it can't be built as a U.S. MBT-70 - only a German K.Pz-70 version.

Some question on the size of the rear infantry-telephone box, empty area under the turret's open remote-AA gun turret & wrong suspension bump-stops (kit represents one German prototype but bump-stops from the 2nd German prototype) -- otherwise the (respected) reviewer says it's OK.

It certainly sounds better than any of the other Black Horrors which have major issues rendering them good Whif-fodder not accurate representations of their type.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #146 on: December 20, 2014, 10:47:12 PM »
I'm actually building the KpZ 70, not doing an in-box review. Its circa 1992 DML level of detail. I can't begin to comment on accuracy as I know zilch about the subject. I'm speaking from a model building perspective that this is a poorly engineered kit.

I heard that Black Label is actually a different model company, who gets DML to take care of instructions, boxing, distribution etc. But that the black label designers are separate from DML.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #147 on: December 21, 2014, 04:39:57 AM »
I always considered DML kits to be circa 1980 Tamiya quality in engineering, only thier very latest German WW2 subjects have come anywhere near Tamiya for fit.

Having said that I'm waiting for several of DMLs Black Label kits to hit the 2nd-hand market so that I can get them for a fairly reasonable price.

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #148 on: December 30, 2014, 09:12:59 AM »
Dragon have just released their 1/35 scale Alvis Saladin:



Considering the problems with the other "Black Label" products, I have no idea as to it's accurary beyond that the box picture looks rather nice and it seems to have got the right number of wheels.   Click on the picture for the announcement on Dragon Models USA site.

Pity it's so expensive, though.   :banghead:

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #149 on: January 22, 2015, 09:30:35 AM »
At CyberModeler: DML/Dragon Models /Black Label/Smart Kit 1:35th scale M103A2 Heavy Tank (kit number 3549)

Click on html or image to see the review at CyberModeler. 

« Last Edit: January 22, 2015, 09:32:17 AM by Jeffry Fontaine »
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