Author Topic: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft (Read 225989 times)

elmayerle · « **Reply #426 on:** June 01, 2016, 07:14:42 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on June 01, 2016, 03:46:15 AM

CMV-22B We have the contract and are proceeding accordingly. Definitely have to modify a MV-22B kit to this configuration and color scheme.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #427 on:** June 06, 2016, 02:48:11 AM »

Not sure if this has been posted before:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #428 on:** June 06, 2016, 05:32:11 AM »

The Esci 1/72 PV-22A kit I have has those torpedos and mounting frame

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #429 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:05:45 AM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on June 06, 2016, 05:32:11 AM

The Esci 1/72 PV-22A kit I have has those torpedos and mounting frame

I have those parts in the spares box too and they look rather anemic when you consider the weights of the torpedoes being carried on that rack. Needs to be strengthened a bit to make it plausible.

elmayerle · « **Reply #430 on:** June 06, 2016, 11:58:52 AM »

Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on June 06, 2016, 08:05:45 AM

Quote from: kitnut617 on June 06, 2016, 05:32:11 AM
The Esci 1/72 PV-22A kit I have has those torpedos and mounting frame
I have those parts in the spares box too and they look rather anemic when you consider the weights of the torpedoes being carried on that rack. Needs to be strengthened a bit to make it plausible.

I have that kit, too, and I figure to obtain or clone some ESSS pylons from some MH-60's to properly carry some accurate torpedoes (Brassin does some nice ones). Really, that stores location works only for unpowered (in flight) dropped weapons or drop tanks.

For an armed MV-22B, I'm thinking of one with versions of the "moustache" weapons pylons trialed on N204TR mounted on both sides and carrying either APGW 2.75" rocket pods or 2 or 4 Hellfire racks per side; perfect for a forcible entry assault.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #431 on:** July 16, 2016, 02:50:18 AM »

MV-22B operating from HMAS Canberra...sigh...if only it was in Australian markings:

Vido here:
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater

arkon · « **Reply #432 on:** July 16, 2016, 08:15:50 AM »

Could the smaller xv-15 be made into a plausible military aircraft?
Or is it just to small for something like asw?
Or maybe a hunter/ killer combo with apaches or little birds?

elmayerle · « **Reply #433 on:** July 16, 2016, 10:04:46 AM »

Quote from: arkon on July 16, 2016, 08:15:50 AM

Could the smaller xv-15 be made into a plausible military aircraft?
Or is it just to small for something like asw?
Or maybe a hunter/ killer combo with apaches or little birds?

it would take a whole new fuselage plus, most likely, a change of engines. A variant of the V280 would be just as readily available and builds on all that Bell has learned.

Kerick · « **Reply #434 on:** July 16, 2016, 10:16:13 AM »

A problem with mixing helicopters with V-22s is that the V-22s fly much faster than the helos in forward flight. To make it to the target at the same time the helos have to take off much earlier.

elmayerle · « **Reply #435 on:** July 16, 2016, 10:42:43 AM »

V-22 with ASW sensor suite could get there first and vector attack helicopters in on the target. Alternatively, since torpedos are gravity-drop weapons, you might could fit a decent rack of them aft of the prop-rotor plane, somewhat like the SV-22A kit from AMT/Esci but with better racks to carry the torpedoes.

arkon · « **Reply #436 on:** July 16, 2016, 11:35:08 AM »

Another random thought, could you place sonobuoy launch chutes out the bottom similar to what is on the rear of most p-3s?

elmayerle · « **Reply #437 on:** July 16, 2016, 12:17:28 PM »

Quote from: arkon on July 16, 2016, 11:35:08 AM

Another random thought, could you place sonobuoy launch chutes out the bottom similar to what is on the rear of most p-3s?

Actually, I'm doodling a SV-22 with a sonobuoy launcher rack replacing the standard aft ramp and supporting the winch for deploying a MAD "bomb" for tracking purposes. That, coupled with torpedo racks, a carefully extended nose for better radar, and, possibly, a dipping sonar through the bottom "hell hole" would make for a formidable aircraft. Then add the full E2E+ upgrade proposal for enhanced performance and reliability and you have something very distinctive.

Old Wombat · « **Reply #438 on:** July 16, 2016, 06:44:12 PM »

Quote from: kerick on July 16, 2016, 10:16:13 AM

A problem with mixing helicopters with V-22s is that the V-22s fly much faster than the helos in forward flight. To make it to the target at the same time the helos have to take off much earlier.

Which works well for carrier operations, as you bring the transport helo's on deck & launch them, next come the attack helo's, then bring up the V-22's & launch them. Works much the same as a time-on-target artillery barrage.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #439 on:** July 17, 2016, 05:02:38 AM »

Quote from: arkon on July 16, 2016, 11:35:08 AM

Another random thought, could you place sonobuoy launch chutes out the bottom similar to what is on the rear of most p-3s?

Evan will know better (so feel free to correct me) but I would possibly consider using one of the rotary sonobuoy launchers as fitted to the new P-8 and have it fire through the same hatch as used by the BAE Systems Remote Guardian weapon:

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #440 on:** July 17, 2016, 07:54:54 AM »

Very good example of a system occupying valuable internal space

taiidantomcat · « **Reply #441 on:** July 17, 2016, 11:05:06 PM »

Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on July 17, 2016, 07:54:54 AM

Very good example of a system occupying valuable internal space

The commandant decided it needed a turret. So "a wild turret appears" it's true that with the Nacelles the defensive fields of fire are more limited, but the people complaining about not having a "forward turret"... neither did the phrog, and the osprey needs far less protection in the first place as it is.

elmayerle · « **Reply #442 on:** July 18, 2016, 02:59:54 AM »

My understanding is that it did get trialed "in the sandbox" and was found to not be worth the cost in weight and volume. I could see that after access being used for a sonobuoy launcher, though, as those are gravity-drop items that wouldn't interfere with anything. My own thoughts are a dipping sonar there and sonobuoys on a replacement for the aft ramp, but that's my take on being able to use both.

Volkodav · « **Reply #443 on:** July 18, 2016, 03:09:35 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 16, 2016, 02:50:18 AM

MV-22B operating from HMAS Canberra...sigh...if only it was in Australian markings:

Vido here:
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater

Not just flown from Canberra, but apparently with less drama than for the Combat Wombat

Kerick · « **Reply #444 on:** July 19, 2016, 10:45:47 AM »

Looks like the deck crew is lined up for the "we were there" photo! I would too!

warspite63 · « **Reply #445 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:22:09 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 16, 2016, 02:50:18 AM

MV-22B operating from HMAS Canberra...sigh...if only it was in Australian markings:

Vido here:
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater

Anyone know the location? Looks a lot like Maui

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #446 on:** July 19, 2016, 12:23:45 PM »

Well, given the event tok place during RIMPAC, it could well be.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #447 on:** November 05, 2016, 04:55:45 AM »

The new Bell Boeing VTOL "Power Wing" - just add to any load to get the ability to take off vertically...

elmayerle · « **Reply #448 on:** November 05, 2016, 09:33:48 AM »

Wonder if they are looking to swap one out for some reason?

Old Wombat · « **Reply #449 on:** November 05, 2016, 06:39:11 PM »

There's an MV-22 under there somewhere!


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