Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 08, 2012, 06:08:00 AM
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A topic for all tilt-rotor aircraft
I was browsing Jose José Fernandes' latest update in his discussion topic and found myself wondering what a kit-bash between an OV-10 Bronco and the V-22 Osprey would look like. Retain the booms but lose the engines. The booms could then be devoted to the landing gear and fuel plus whatever avionics that could not be accommodated in the fuselage proper. At the wing tips - mount the engines and rotor components from the V-22. The only thing that I can see at this point that could be a problem is the rotor blade clearance with the tail. Now I wish I had a 1/72nd scale Italeri V-22 Osprey kit in the stash to check fit with the Testors'/Italeri OV-10 Bronco.
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Here's some:
(http://dc310.4shared.com/img/NXql19YB/s7/Sikorsky_LHX_Tilt_Rotor.jpg)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2305/tacticaltiltrotor10001.jpg)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2038/tacticaltiltrotor20001.jpg)
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5021/bellbatspecifications.jpg)
(http://files.activeboard.com/958450?AWSAccessKeyId=1XXJBWHKN0QBQS6TGPG2&Expires=1326931200&Signature=PSazNwsH%2BQGwRvE7s8Op3By884A%3D)
(http://files.activeboard.com/958453?AWSAccessKeyId=1XXJBWHKN0QBQS6TGPG2&Expires=1326931200&Signature=G%2FRO5xkQJD%2Bv01%2FCImkT%2BNGW%2Fw0%3D)
(http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/bat.jpg)
(http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=109352&d=1136408538)
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6916/av22ev7.gif)
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Well, since I now work for Bell, I can say that there were studies for an attack aircraft using Model 609 mechanicals and structure (I saw a rendering over a co-worker's desk). Meanwhile, I'm more actively involved with developments and projects on the V-22.
A couple thoughts, since the V-22 is replacing the CH-46 in USMC service, how about a V-22 in three-tone green splinter camouflage replacing the equivalent V-107-II in Swedish service or an OD V-22 with hinomarus doing the same in Japanese service.
Of course, if you're thinking bigger, there's always the Quad-Tilt-Rotor which could be modelled using a C-130 fuselage (alternatively, for grins, use an AN-12 fuselage to get the tailgunner position).
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Well, since I now work for Bell, I can say that there were studies for an attack aircraft using Model 609 mechanicals and structure (I saw a rendering over a co-worker's desk). Meanwhile, I'm more actively involved with developments and projects on the V-22.
A couple thoughts, since the V-22 is replacing the CH-46 in USMC service, how about a V-22 in three-tone green splinter camouflage replacing the equivalent V-107-II in Swedish service or an OD V-22 with hinomarus doing the same in Japanese service.
Of course, if you're thinking bigger, there's always the Quad-Tilt-Rotor which could be modelled using a C-130 fuselage (alternatively, for grins, use an AN-12 fuselage to get the tailgunner position).
Graeme Davidson did some nice profiles of the V-22 in various schemes for different nations. One of which was the JASDF and the other was for Sweden in the splinter camouflage. Since Graeme is not yet a member of this little group any of his work might still reside over on the other forum unless they suffered the recent purge in which case they are gone.
See this link for some Tilt Rotor Madness (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=134.0) or click on the image to view the thread :^)
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/16267_200903758531_722638531_2935106_1169273_n.jpg) (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=134.0)
I linked a number of screen shots that I had originally shared a long time ago on the other forum before going into exile and have since been dredged up to share here with the other members.
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Couldn't help myself:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/TriDV-22.jpg)
And whilst the brain was switched off:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/AV-22.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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Speaking of V-22 whiffs, anyone remember these:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22CV-122OspreyCanadianArmedForces.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22CV-122OspreyCanadianArmedFor-1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22CV-122OspreyCanadianArmedFor-4.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22CV-122OspreyCanadianArmedFor-5.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22MV-22OspreyUSMCVMX-22WHIFcreate.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22OspreyRoyalNewZealandAirForceWH.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22OspreyRoyalNewZealandAirForc-1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22OspreyRoyalAustralianArmyWHI-1.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22OspreyRoyalAustralianArmyWHIFcr.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22OspreyRoyalSwedishNavyWHIFcreat.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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A few of my tilt-rotor whifs for your enjoyment... (I hope).
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Grumman OV-1H Mohawk II
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The Grumman OV-1H Mohawk II was the next logical step in the evolution of the reliable and flexible G-134 design. Featuring widened and shortened wings, it became the first operational tilt-rotor in the U.S. inventory when the Army took delivery of the first aircraft in June 1986. The G-134TR Mohawk II proved a valuable asset in difficult missions over Panama and Nicaragua, where the hostile environment made landing impossible to the original version. The Mohawk II was used for observation (OV-1H), as a rescue aircraft (HV-1H) and as an armed counter-insurgencency type (AV-1H). On top of the 110 new examples built by Grumman, most Mohawks remaining in the inventory were overhauled and brought up to "II" standard, bringing the total in operation up to 250. These versions, although externally similar to the new frames, presented a number of technical differences and were therefore designated with the use of the "J" suffix letter instead (OV-1J, HV-1J). There were no AV-1J conversions, as all 60 COIN aircraft were new from the factory. Finally, a small utility transport with deepened fuselage was produced in 12 examples (UV-1K). The last Mohawk II was retired from service in May 2003, making the G-134 family one of the most enduring designs in U.S. service.
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Vought V-498 Bluebird VTOL
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/304/5/5/vought_v_498_bluebird_vtol_by_bispro-d4engwq.jpg)
Some may remember my Vought-Sikorsky Shrike (then again you may not... lol). Well, anyway, here is another take on the LTV XC-142 concept, the LTV V-498 Bluebird (which derived its name from Vought's very first aircraft). It was produced in small numbers for a few regional airlines in the U.S. and Canada, such as the now defunct New York Airways, seen here.
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Bell-Boeing CV-22C Long Osprey
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/014/0/0/Bell_Boeing_CV_22C_Long_Osprey_by_Bispro.jpg)
The Bell-Boeing CV-22C Osprey is a new transport variant for the US Navy. It can be seen here on take-off trials from USS Harry Truman (CVN-75) in June 2015. The tough part in this picture was not to create the CV-22C from the regular version... it was coming up with a complete picture of the aircraft-carrier's tower! I had to rework it from several pictures...
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Boeing-Lear CV-24A Hummingbird
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/197/d/b/boeing_lear_cv_24a_hummingbird_by_bispro-d3wphzd.jpg)
What if Bell/Boeing's V-22 had not been the first operational VTOL? What if Boeing had teamed up with Learjet instead to offer an heir to the old X-19 concept and make it work as a liaison/VIP transport? This is what the fake advertisement above is all about.
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And finally a tilt-duct... Not quite what this topic is about, but since someone included a tilt-duct above, I may as well add mine here.
Boeing-Bell XV-16A PLR VTOL
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/303/a/b/boeing_bell_xv_16a_plr_vtol_by_bispro-d31u23u.jpg)
Contrary to popular belief, The V-22 Osprey is not the first joint effort by Bell and Boeing. In 1976, Boeing Vertol teamed up with Bell's Helicopter Division on a proposal for the Army's PLR (Power Lift Rotorcraft) program. Designated XV-16A in the VTOL series, this clean-looking and able performer combined Boeing's experience with transport helicopters and Bell's expertise in VTOL, in this case capitalizing on the tilt-duct research that culminated in the highly successful X-22A prototype a decade before. The PLR program was canceled despite a successful two-year evaluation phase because it was found that its advantages did not outweigh the 35% increase in costs from operating it instead of a conventional Chinook.
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This pic below came from the USMC website sometime ago. I've got a project started to do this but then realized I had gone in the wrong direction so I'm going to start again. I'm going elaborate on it though as I don't really think having the rear engines behind the front ones like this will be workable (in RW). Considering that all the engines are interconnected and have shafts running here, there, and everywhere, my idea will be to have two larger engines either side of the fin in an arrangement very similar to the CH-53 instead of the four in the wingtip pods.
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I've got the kits somewhere in the stash here (still don't have everything sorted out from after my return) to cross the XV-22 with the Dash 8 for a civil tiltrotor.
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I've got the kits somewhere in the stash here (still don't have everything sorted out from after my return) to cross the XV-22 with the Dash 8 for a civil tiltrotor.
Mmmmm... Yummy!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is great bunch of tilt rotor/jet concepts. Thanks for posting - do like reviewing them. I have a tilt jet bash on the list to build. Thinking of doing it STOL using a 30 to 45 degree max tilt.
Bill
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I was browsing Jose Fern's latest update in his discussion topic and found myself wondering what a kit-bash between an OV-10 Bronco and the V-22 Osprey would look like. Retain the booms but lose the engines. The booms could then be devoted to the landing gear and fuel plus whatever avionics that could not be accommodated in the fuselage proper. At the wing tips - mount the engines and rotor components from the V-22. The only thing that I can see at this point that could be a problem is the rotor blade clearance with the tail. Now I wish I had a 1/72nd scale Italeri V-22 Osprey kit in the stash to check fit with the Testors'/Italeri OV-10 Bronco.
You'd like want to do a scalarama with the nacelles from a 1/72 V-22 on a 1/48 OV-10. The OV-10's engines are rated at no more than 1000-1100 shp max while the the V-22's engines are rated at some 6000 shp. I could see replacing the OV-10's engines with fairings covering either extra fuel tankage or various equipment fits. Note that if you do this one, you need to also take the section of the V-22 wing immediately inboard of the engine as there's a lot going on there and some of the wing/engine fairing rotates with the engine nacelles.
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I was browsing Jose Fern's latest update in his discussion topic and found myself wondering what a kit-bash between an OV-10 Bronco and the V-22 Osprey would look like. Retain the booms but lose the engines. The booms could then be devoted to the landing gear and fuel plus whatever avionics that could not be accommodated in the fuselage proper. At the wing tips - mount the engines and rotor components from the V-22. The only thing that I can see at this point that could be a problem is the rotor blade clearance with the tail. Now I wish I had a 1/72nd scale Italeri V-22 Osprey kit in the stash to check fit with the Testors'/Italeri OV-10 Bronco.
You'd like want to do a scalarama with the nacelles from a 1/72 V-22 on a 1/48 OV-10. The OV-10's engines are rated at no more than 1000-1100 shp max while the the V-22's engines are rated at some 6000 shp. I could see replacing the OV-10's engines with fairings covering either extra fuel tankage or various equipment fits. Note that if you do this one, you need to also take the section of the V-22 wing immediately inboard of the engine as there's a lot going on there and some of the wing/engine fairing rotates with the engine nacelles.
That was my intention. 1/48th scale Testor's OV-10 Bronco mated up with a 1/72nd scale Italeri V-22 :^)
As much as I like the idea of "More Power" for the Bronco it would be a challenge to do so with the 48th scale V-22 parts since the blades would conflict in their arcs over the center of the fuselage. The smaller diameter rotors on the 72nd scale V-22 might work a bit better for what I have in mind. Just need to find the 1/72nd scale V-22 kit in order to do the check-fit.
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Don't forget that the V-22 is rather larger than the OV-10. That almost makes such a mixing necessary. I note that there is one 1/72 V-22 on eBay right now, but it's not cheap at all.
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As some of you know, I've done a couple of tilt-rotor creations: a 1/48 "spectre" type gunship and a kitbash of a 1/48 OV-1 Mohawk and a 1/72 V-22 into an escort for the vanilla V-22.
I've got at least 4 more of the 1/48 Ospreys, only one of which will be done up as a USMC battle taxi. I have plans to work one up as a US Coast Guard rescue bird with a hoist (or two), inflatable life raft canisters and even a zodiac on the tail ramp ready to deploy. And I love the Canadian SAR profile in yellow with the red stripes down the sides, so that's a definite possibility at some point. I've seen a suggestion somewhere to make one as a heavy lift bird like the sky crane.
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As some of you know, I've done a couple of tilt-rotor creations: a 1/48 "spectre" type gunship and a kitbash of a 1/48 OV-1 Mohawk and a 1/72 V-22 into an escort for the vanilla V-22.
I've got at least 4 more of the 1/48 Ospreys, only one of which will be done up as a USMC battle taxi. I have plans to work one up as a US Coast Guard rescue bird with a hoist (or two), inflatable life raft canisters and even a zodiac on the tail ramp ready to deploy. And I love the Canadian SAR profile in yellow with the red stripes down the sides, so that's a definite possibility at some point. I've seen a suggestion somewhere to make one as a heavy lift bird like the sky crane.
Don't be shy, please share the images of your Ospreys here on the forum as soon as you can.
I would love to find a 1/48th scale Zodiac. Have you found a source for one of these or are you going for something smaller in scale like 1/72nd?
What about a VV-22 As "Marine One"?
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What about a VV-22 As "Marine One"?
I'm all for this project. That one would truly look awesome!!!
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Don't be shy, please share the images of your Ospreys here on the forum as soon as you can.
I would love to find a 1/48th scale Zodiac. Have you found a source for one of these or are you going for something smaller in scale like 1/72nd?
What about a VV-22 As "Marine One"?
Photos will go up tonight for everyone's viewing pleasure.
I'll have to check my laptop at home, but I think I found a 1/48 zodiac from a small AM company, otherwise I might take a shot at scratching one and maybe casting a couple copies?
Ooohhh! A VV-22 would be another possibility - I have the decals from both my CH-46 and CH-53 that are for HMX-1. Add it to the idea list!
So far:
USCG (HV-22?? What would the correct rescue/SAR designator be?)
Canadian SAR
HMX-1
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USCG (HV-22?? What would the correct rescue/SAR designator be?)
The official designation of the SAR version was to be HV-22A before it was cancelled, so I guess HV-22C (or whatever suffix) would be okay. This being said, let's keep in mind that the USCG's tendency is to make use of non-standard designations (probably to reflect the fact that the Coast Guard is not a branch of the military in peace time, but a civilian agency). Designations like HV-911 use the manufacturer's number as a designator, MH-68A is (almost) standard, while C-143A and HC-144A take over from the old pre-1962 system. The planned Agusta-Bell BA609 (now the AW609, an Agusta Westland product) for the Coast Guard has been designated the HV-609. A USCG Osprey could also therefore be an HV-901.
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What about a VV-22 As "Marine One"?
I'm all for this project. That one would truly look awesome!!!
It was studied, but I'm not at all certain I can share that info (company proprietary info and such). There are a few interesting "tweaks" to that version.
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It was studied, but I'm not at all certain I can share that info (company proprietary info and such). There are a few interesting "tweaks" to that version.
I know, I know! It has one of those cool POTUS-only escape pods like Harrison Ford had in Air Force One or the president had in Escape from New York!!!
It would be a cool white-top, though.
Edited to add:
As promised, here are my two completed tilt rotors:
The AV-22 Spectre
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/jjmj94/IMG_3599.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/jjmj94/IMG_3592.jpg)
I think I called this an AV-1?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/jjmj94/doneside.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/jjmj94/donefront2.jpg)
I have a few more angles of each, if anyone wants to see something, let me know.
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LemonJello, just a thought for the HMX-1 VV-22, the CH-53E and, I suspect, the CH-46s, had black tops because they were support aircraft rather than direct transports. A couple quick and obvious comments on the Vv-22 proposal, it had more windows and the rear ramp was replaced by a set of steps that still closed up the same. The really tricky bit was modifying the exhausts so that they wouldn't kick up dust and offend powerful persons and there were some "interesting" approaches considered there.
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I'm kind of surprised that we have seen any Chinese tilt rotors yet.
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LemonJello, just a thought for the HMX-1 VV-22, the CH-53E and, I suspect, the CH-46s, had black tops because they were support aircraft rather than direct transports. A couple quick and obvious comments on the Vv-22 proposal, it had more windows and the rear ramp was replaced by a set of steps that still closed up the same. The really tricky bit was modifying the exhausts so that they wouldn't kick up dust and offend powerful persons and there were some "interesting" approaches considered there.
The downwash is pretty bad, compared to other platforms that I've seen/ridden on. How "interesting" were those approaches?
When I build my VV-22, it'll be a white-top, just because those are cooler. I could see adding windows, would they be larger? But if I go that route I'll tint them since I don't know if I want to spruce up the interior to VIP standards.
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The windows were the same size, just more of them, and the interior was definitely VIP but not overdone. The "interesting approaches" on the exhausts were different ways of deflecting them outboard, away from the aircraft instead of straight down at the ground. One such was a diverter system not unlike what Boeing used on the X-32B.
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For those looking to do a scaleorama cross of a 1/72 V-22's nacelles with a 1/48 Bronco, I'd recommend the Hobbycraft 1/72 V-22 kit as a suitable donor. The engine nacelles bear a passing resemblance to the real thing but certainly don't reflect EMD or production configurations; making them highly suitable for whiffing use.
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Another one I did a while ago:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/V24D.jpg)
And yes, I know it still appears to have the fuselage engines...consider this a prototype econversion.
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If you slimmed the tip pods down to just the rotor then the roof engines could stay put.
You could follow the line down from the top of the intake to the top of the exhaust outlet.
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I like...
Cheers,
Logan
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(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR-22_01.png)
Civil Tilt-rotor
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Civil Tilt-rotor to V-22 comparison
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Regarding an OV-10 conversion, personally I'd have the wing section outboard of the booms
rotate with the new engine/rotor assemblies. The reduction in under disc area would probably
be advantageous in VTOL mode.
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Now if only we had a 1/48 XV-15 kit...
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If you slimmed the tip pods down to just the rotor then the roof engines could stay put.
You could follow the line down from the top of the intake to the top of the exhaust outlet.
Yeah, I dd think of that...may yet do for future variation.
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More Bell concepts.
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/D246A_01.png)
Military transport
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/D326_01.png)
Civil aircraft aimed at the off-shore oil rig support market
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR-22C_01.png)
CTR-22C (V-22 derived, new fuselage, 39 passengers)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR800_01.png)
CTR-800 (XV-15 derived)
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Bell continued ...
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR1900_01.png)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR1900_02.png)
19 passenger transport.
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... Bell finale.
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR7500_01.png)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR7500_02.png)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/CTR7500_03.png)
75 passenger transport, note that the third pic is of a version with a V-tail and canard like the CTR-1900.
Evidently this configuration had the least drag.
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Oh, my. Some of those are positively...well, inspiring! I agree that a XV-15 kit would be awesome. So many possibilities...
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D-326 looks like a big brother to what is now the Agusta A609 (formerly Bell-Agusta BA609). One of the more interesting ones is the D-300 which was an iteration toward what became the XV-15, it looks very much like a long MU-2, with the short MU-2 main gear, with the XV-15 wing (appropriately enough, the Aerophile article on the XV-15 shows that Boeing's entry was based on using a long MU-2 fuselage). It's a temptation to get the resources together to model that one.
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One thing I've always wondered about these is whether they can fire any wing-mounted weapons with the rotors in plane-mode? I bought an Anigrand XV-15 with the intention of bashing it with a lot of AH-1W parts. I'm still wondering how to mount the weapons. Could you fire a Hydra 70, TOW or Hellfire "synchronised" through the rotor? :o And if you can't, wouldn't it be a terrible waste of energy to have to go into hover mode every time you employ your weapons?
My solution is to use the wing for drop-tanks or bombs only. Anything powered will go on pylons down the fuselage sides, with slightly chopped rotor blades.
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jcf, you are absolutely, positively a "miracle worker", indeed, as your signature implies!!
These three-view arrangements are out of this world. Can you tell us where you scanned them from?
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Hmm, just a thought but I could see that CTR-22 in the markings of FedEx or other express companies (DHL perhaps?) as well as various other cargo carriers.
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Hmm, just a thought but I could see that CTR-22 in the markings of FedEx or other express companies (DHL perhaps?) as well as various other cargo carriers.
VPS
Vertical Parcel Service?
;)
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Had the chance to go out to the experimental hanger and look over the V-22 we're working on. It looks like the LH sponson could be stretched forward to fair into the fuselage in line with the windscreen frame; this would give you room for a small weapons bay or fixed gun mount. There are, too, provisions for a nose-mounted gun turret under the radar but I don't think that option has ever been exercised.
For other possibilities, how about an AEW radar mounted on the aft ramp much like what the FAA has on Sea Kings now?
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For other possibilities, how about an AEW radar mounted on the aft ramp much like what the FAA has on Sea Kings now?
Would there be room for an installation like this Evan
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Under-fuselage? I doubt it as it sits pretty low to the ground.
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Had the chance to go out to the experimental hanger and look over the V-22 we're working on. It looks like the LH sponson could be stretched forward to fair into the fuselage in line with the windscreen frame; this would give you room for a small weapons bay or fixed gun mount. There are, too, provisions for a nose-mounted gun turret under the radar but I don't think that option has ever been exercised.
For other possibilities, how about an AEW radar mounted on the aft ramp much like what the FAA has on Sea Kings now?
Ramp mounted radar sounds like the best option considering how low to the ground the aircraft actually sits in real life. Unless you increase the length of the landing gear to make the room available.
The stretched sponson sounds interesting. Or at the very least, an excuse to kit-bash the MatchBox/Revell Chinook with an Osprey.
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(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/XV-15mast.jpg)
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The stretched sponson sounds interesting. Or at the very least, an excuse to kit-bash the MatchBox/Revell Chinook with an Osprey.
Yeah, the fun comes on the RH side where you need to work around extended sponson around the main door. You could probably still do a fairing ahead of that, though, or just mount external stores racks there (being careful to keep clear of the rotor envelope). I wonder if the Apache's TADS/PNVS turret could be adapted to this use?
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([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/XV-15mast.jpg[/url])
Gents, This last week I've been trying to find 3-views of this subject for a scratchbuild and have reviewed my old bibliography of Boeing and Bell's aircraft, googled to death and zippo, Nada. I have even tried to manipulate an XV-15 3-view to no avail. Does any of you.....? ;)
Rafa
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I think your best bet would be the issue of Aerophile magazine with the XV-15 as the cover article. Since said issue is 30+ years old, good hunting. Methinks your best bet for now would be using a scaled V-22 fuselage and tail (with Kingcobra cockpit and nose) coupled with what's now the AW609's wing and engine nacelles.
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I thought you all might be interested in this:
http://youtu.be/YQIMGV5vtd4 (http://youtu.be/YQIMGV5vtd4)
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I've seen it. Now I want to see them demonstrate a 3-D swarm to "Flight of the Bumblebee". :D
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Truly amazing stuff.
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Those guys really hit it off with the swarm mentality.
A question aside; what about a tilt-propfan? The counter-rotating daisies of José Fernando's OV-23 Observer made me think.....
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A question aside; what about a tilt-propfan? The counter-rotating daisies of José Fernando's OV-23 Observer made me think.....
Feasible, as long as you're not trying to meet some of the stowage time requirements the V-22 had to meet. On the other hand, you won't have the same hovering efficiency (that's one thing that's made tilt-wing aircraft expensive - now, a tilt-wing with engine and rotor on the wingtips might be something as long as you don't have that stowage requirement).
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A question aside; what about a tilt-propfan? The counter-rotating daisies of José Fernando's OV-23 Observer made me think.....
Feasible, as long as you're not trying to meet some of the stowage time requirements the V-22 had to meet. On the other hand, you won't have the same hovering efficiency (that's one thing that's made tilt-wing aircraft expensive - now, a tilt-wing with engine and rotor on the wingtips might be something as long as you don't have that stowage requirement).
Ok, engine and rotor it is. But, for example, for a small strike craft á la gunship or small transport in the league of the Sikorsky S-97 Raider X2 would it be feasible to use propellers the size of those in the XFY-1 Pogo?
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Close enough, if you want a bit bigger, use the props from a 1/48 Pogo on a 1/72 tiltrotor; I have seen some speculation on contra-rotor tiltrotors so there's possibilities there, too.
Figure you're going to want something in the 1000 shp for each engine. I'm also inclined to suggest a straight-thru engine rather than a reverse flow one like the PT6 as I'm given to understand that the exhaust for this engine on what's now the AW609 is somewhat problem-prone.
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Early AEW Tiltrotor proposal:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/scan0002-1.jpg)
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For other possibilities, how about an AEW radar mounted on the aft ramp much like what the FAA has on Sea Kings now?
Like this perhaps?
(http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/14/fb721325-9872-4ead-8e62-c1cbede2394e.Large.jpg)
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Yes indeed!! That most certainly looks highly do-able.
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Evan: Boeing-Bell proposal for a commercial tilt-rotor based on the DHC-8 fuselage.
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Tilt wing rather than tilt rotor, but it's a BattleTech 'Mech. For when you really want to drop in and kill something.
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That's pretty much the approach I'm planning to take, melding the V-22 wing and nacelle installations to a Dash 8 fuselage and adding sponsons for the main landing gear. Hmm, that HC V-22 may be a good contributor to this as its engine nacelles are much closer to a civilian design than what the military flies on the V-22. I've got some bits and pieces that'll make good shapes for the sponsons.
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A few of my tilt-rotor whifs for your enjoyment... (I hope).
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Grumman OV-1H Mohawk II
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The Grumman OV-1H Mohawk II was the next logical step in the evolution of the reliable and flexible G-134 design. Featuring widened and shortened wings, it became the first operational tilt-rotor in the U.S. inventory when the Army took delivery of the first aircraft in June 1986. The G-134TR Mohawk II proved a valuable asset in difficult missions over Panama and Nicaragua, where the hostile environment made landing impossible to the original version. The Mohawk II was used for observation (OV-1H), as a rescue aircraft (HV-1H) and as an armed counter-insurgencency type (AV-1H). On top of the 110 new examples built by Grumman, most Mohawks remaining in the inventory were overhauled and brought up to "II" standard, bringing the total in operation up to 250. These versions, although externally similar to the new frames, presented a number of technical differences and were therefore designated with the use of the "J" suffix letter instead (OV-1J, HV-1J). There were no AV-1J conversions, as all 60 COIN aircraft were new from the factory. Finally, a small utility transport with deepened fuselage was produced in 12 examples (UV-1K). The last Mohawk II was retired from service in May 2003, making the G-134 family one of the most enduring designs in U.S. service.
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Vought V-498 Bluebird VTOL
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Some may remember my Vought-Sikorsky Shrike (then again you may not... lol). Well, anyway, here is another take on the LTV XC-142 concept, the LTV V-498 Bluebird (which derived its name from Vought's very first aircraft). It was produced in small numbers for a few regional airlines in the U.S. and Canada, such as the now defunct New York Airways, seen here.
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Bell-Boeing CV-22C Long Osprey
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The Bell-Boeing CV-22C Osprey is a new transport variant for the US Navy. It can be seen here on take-off trials from USS Harry Truman (CVN-75) in June 2015. The tough part in this picture was not to create the CV-22C from the regular version... it was coming up with a complete picture of the aircraft-carrier's tower! I had to rework it from several pictures...
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Boeing-Lear CV-24A Hummingbird
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What if Bell/Boeing's V-22 had not been the first operational VTOL? What if Boeing had teamed up with Learjet instead to offer an heir to the old X-19 concept and make it work as a liaison/VIP transport? This is what the fake advertisement above is all about.
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And finally a tilt-duct... Not quite what this topic is about, but since someone included a tilt-duct above, I may as well add mine here.
Boeing-Bell XV-16A PLR VTOL
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Contrary to popular belief, The V-22 Osprey is not the first joint effort by Bell and Boeing. In 1976, Boeing Vertol teamed up with Bell's Helicopter Division on a proposal for the Army's PLR (Power Lift Rotorcraft) program. Designated XV-16A in the VTOL series, this clean-looking and able performer combined Boeing's experience with transport helicopters and Bell's expertise in VTOL, in this case capitalizing on the tilt-duct research that culminated in the highly successful X-22A prototype a decade before. The PLR program was canceled despite a successful two-year evaluation phase because it was found that its advantages did not outweigh the 35% increase in costs from operating it instead of a conventional Chinook.
Awesome work and effort Stargazer ;)
M.A.D
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Awesome work and effort Stargazer ;)
M.A.D
Thank you so much!!! 8)
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Where've you been, Stéphane? I haven't seen much of your work, lately.
Cheers,
Logan
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Hi my friend! Too busy with the SPF, SRF, What If forums and other aircraft-related research! That explains my being less active on this particular one. But have no worry, I still roam the place and post from time to time...
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Evan,
Are you at liberty to talk re this?
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/AW_04_16_2012_1422_L1.jpg)
More (http://40yrs.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/im-not-sure-if-these-are-winglets-or.html)
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Evan,
Are you at liberty to talk re this?
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/AW_04_16_2012_1422_L1.jpg[/url])
More ([url]http://40yrs.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/im-not-sure-if-these-are-winglets-or.html[/url])
In a word, no. I am familiar with the test installation and the various R&D activities supporting it (there are some less than obvious concerns) but I don't have leave to talk further. For that matter, I don't yet have leave to discuss the V-22 mod program I was involved with.
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Fair enough. Maybe one day.
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I know its already been done by one of our intrepid whiffers ;)
(http://[url=http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5540/canadiansarv.jpg]http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5540/canadiansarv.jpg[/url])
Sure looks good though :-*
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I note that the latest issue of Combat Aircraft (at least the latest one on US stands) has a picture of "N204TR", the testbed I've been working on. I don't know that I can comment on it, but it is a very good picture.
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Evan,
Are you at liberty to talk re this?
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/AW_04_16_2012_1422_L1.jpg[/url])
More ([url]http://40yrs.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/im-not-sure-if-these-are-winglets-or.html[/url])
Looks like some effort to smooth airflow. Do the finlets move or are they stationary?
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They are stationary. Think of a variation on winglets.
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They are stationary. Think of a variation on winglets.
That was what I suspected. However, they could possible have been for better control. Interesting in and of themselves though. Obviously airflow behind those big rotors is more than a bit turbulent! ;D
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They are stationary. Think of a variation on winglets.
That was what I suspected. However, they could possible have been for better control. Interesting in and of themselves though. Obviously airflow behind those big rotors is more than a bit turbulent! ;D
Quite. The V-22 has a most noticeable sound, quite distinct from any of the other aircraft in the test fleet here.
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Evan: Boeing-Bell proposal for a commercial tilt-rotor based on the DHC-8 fuselage.
Having now had a chance to evaluate both the Hobbycraft and Esci V-22 engine nacelles, I reckon I'd do this using the Hobbycraft ones since they lack any evidence of certain systems fit to the V-22 for military usage; Esci doesn't have the nacelles completely perfect, but much better than Hobbycraft's effort. I see from HLJ's website that Hasegawa has a 1/72 one coming and Platz has a 1/144 one coming; those should be nice.
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Reviewed this whole thread. Many fantastic tilt concepts real and "artificial".
Wish there was time (skill) to build a couple.
Great work all...... enjoyed doing a review.
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Having now had a chance to evaluate both the Hobbycraft and Esci V-22 engine nacelles, I reckon I'd do this using the Hobbycraft ones since they lack any evidence of certain systems fit to the V-22 for military usage; Esci doesn't have the nacelles completely perfect, but much better than Hobbycraft's effort. I see from HLJ's website that Hasegawa has a 1/72 one coming and Platz has a 1/144 one coming; those should be nice.
Makes sense to use the one that strays furthest from reality. Hopefully, Hobbycraft's Dash-8 kit does bear some resemblance to the DHC-8 :o
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Well, being as to how it's a Canadian product, they do seem to have made more of an effort at accuracy.
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I note that I'm now seeing offerings of an Italieri 1/72 V-22 kit. I'm sorely tempted to buy one to see if it's an Esci re-pop, their own tooling, or a cleaned-up Esci mold. It might be fun to model some of the various unbuilt proposals; the AEW with the radar in place of the aft ramp sounds good. Could be fun, too, to do a VV-22 in full HMX-One markings.
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I note that I'm now seeing offerings of an Italieri 1/72 V-22 kit. I'm sorely tempted to buy one to see if it's an Esci re-pop, their own tooling, or a cleaned-up Esci mold. It might be fun to model some of the various unbuilt proposals; the AEW with the radar in place of the aft ramp sounds good. Could be fun, too, to do a VV-22 in full HMX-One markings.
I can guarantee that it is not the ESCI/AMT-Ertl kit with the Italeri name on it. It is an entirely different mold with a better level of details. As far as emulating the real production version that is an area for which I have no answer. It used to be a scaled down version of their 1:48th scale kit or the other way around. They were identical at one point in time but the larger 1:48th scale kit was tweeked to include what were then known modifications to the development aircraft and that is where the two parted company on similarities. I have both scales in protective custody including both versions of the 1:48th scale kit.
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Okay, then I'll definitely need to acquire one. HLJ looks to have them at the moment and at rather better prices than what's being asked on eBay.
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Could be fun, too, to do a VV-22 in full HMX-One markings.
It's on my "someday" list, but in 1/48. I pick up the Italeri kit every time I'm near a Hobby Lobby and it's 40% or 50% off coupon time. I have four in the stash right now. And only one will actually wear USMC squadron markings.
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One of the annoying aspects of my present position is that I have access to, but can't share, some interesting items such as one iteration of the VV-22 proposal. There are some interesting aspects and some that would be a bit more challenging to model, such as more and different cabin windows.
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Evan,
Do you have any suggestions on where or how to fit auxiliary fuel tanks to the outside of the aircraft? Aside from the Esci/AMT-Ertl attempt at creating the SV-22 in 1:72nd scale with some torpedo shapes attached to a very frail looking thing that was supposed to pass for a pair of stores stations mounted on a less than aerodynamic framework. I have my own ideas for something that would fit on the sponsons with a small wing shape to it to carry a fuel tank but placement so that it is not interfering with the main gear seems to be the problem.
The easier and obviously and much simpler alternative is to use the fuels cells from the Academy MH-60 Blackhawk and HH-60 Pave Hawk inside the aircraft. This of course would reduce the capability of carrying anything internally.
Any suggestions that will not infringe on company secrets?
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Why not NH90-style?
(http://rotortoni.gugadetoni.com.br/wp-content/gallery/nhi-nh-90-walk-around/nh_90_tth_mock-up_49_of_78.jpg)
Thanks,
Logan
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Why not NH90-style?
Convinced a friend of mine to do something similar with the HobbyCraft V-22 using the fuel tanks and pylons from the MH-53 mounted adjacent to the main wheels. It may have been too much fuel tank but it certainly looked good with the other MH-53 parts added on with the exception of the big chin box holding the radar, FLIR, and refueling boom. If nothing else actually is possible on the real aircraft then I will probably go that same route again for the 1:48th scale project. It would be nice to know if that is the same solution that Bell/Boeing would use with the real aircraft in the real world. The internal fuel cells take up a lot of room inside of the troop/passenger compartment just like they do in the MH-60/HH-60 when installed. That same space could be put to better use for carriage of personnel and equipment if the fuel carried to extend range is carried somewhere else.
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Err, that's something I'm really not at liberty to comment on much because I am aware of what's being studied. The tanks up forward, as shown on the NH-90, would have to be positioned carefully lest they get hit by the prop-rotor in airplane mode but I don't believe that's the preferred position. Similarly, underwing tankage with have to stay clear of the full prop-rotor movement envelope and that could minimze just how large a tank you could put there. The other thought that occurs to me is to extend the LH sponson as far forward as possible and the RH one up to the door.
Jeffry, I'm unfamiliar with the Exci/AMT SV-22 kit, could you scan the boxtop for me and email it.
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Why not some sort of conformal tank which attaches to the front of the main wheel sponsons -- like an extension of the sponson
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Could you do tanks outboard of the sponsons as on the CH-53E?
(http://files.air-attack.com/MIL/mh53/ch53essex20071114.jpg)
Cheers,
Logan
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Could you do tanks outboard of the sponsons as on the CH-53E?
That was what my friend did with his HobbyCraft Osprey kit and parts from an Italeri MH-53 Pave Low kit that I provided to him for that effort.
The 600 gallon (2271.247 litre) tanks are a bit large and also a problem to source unless you are flush with lottery winnings. Since I have the parts available it is no problem for me but I still would like to reaffirm that I was going in the right direction, you know, trying to achieve some level of realism instead of what looks good :)
Jeffry, I'm unfamiliar with the Exci/AMT SV-22 kit, could you scan the boxtop for me and email it.
Evan,
I trashed that kit ages ago. The kit came with two ladder shaped stores pylons that were to be fixed to a location just above or slightly forward of the main landing gear wells. The ladder shape was quite plain and slanted towards the front but you can envision a ladder with two rungs at an angle and pretty much get the same shape. Emil has one at the shop (Skyway Models (http://www.skywaymodel.com/)) but the price is now in the kit collector's range.
Here is a thumbnail image of the box art courtesy of ScaleMates.com (http://www.scalemates.com/):
(http://s1.scalemates.com/products/img/2/8/7/143287-t.jpg) (http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=143287)
(Click to view larger image)
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IIRC, a variant of the Ospery's engine was pitched as a possible powerplant for the CH-53K but declined in favor of the more powerful GE38-1B... so what if the engine-transfer went the other way, a 15,000SHP Super Osprey?
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Thanks, Jeffry. Yeah, that's a logical location and, as long as you don't get too long, it keeps stores clear of the prop-rotors. I wonder, though, why they didn't use a stub wing instead of just an "erector set" rack? (*wink*).
I'm told that the MH-53K engines have been looked at, but considerable redesign would be required to fit them in the Osprey (accessory and drive section) and it's just not cost-effective at the moment.
An extension of the LH sponson for additional tankage is possible while extension of the RH sponson is limited by the presence of the crew door. There's another approach to conformal tankage under study, but more I can't say. It's the obvious approach, though.
To fit the CH-53E tanks, you'd need some new structure on the top of the sponsons, including a fairing to extend out and keep the tanks clear of the main gear.
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To fit the CH-53E tanks, you'd need some new structure on the top of the sponsons, including a fairing to extend out and keep the tanks clear of the main gear.
Exactly what my friend Vic Russell did with the HobbyCraft Osprey. He attached the entire pylon section from the H-53 to include the fairing that attached the entire thing to the sponson on the thing to the Osprey and had it clearing the main landing gear in the process. It looked convincing enough but the model went MIA in 1989 after it was left behind by accident at a contest held in Evansville, Indiana.
Thanks, Jeffry. Yeah, that's a logical location and, as long as you don't get too long, it keeps stores clear of the prop-rotors. I wonder, though, why they didn't use a stub wing instead of just an "erector set" rack? (*wink*).
Definitely a cheesy approach to the entire concept with that lazy ladder assembly that AMT-Ertl/ESCI came up with.
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Random ideas:
- Royal Flying Doctor Service V-22 or AB609
- Fire fighting/water bombing V-22
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Kit bash:
CH-54 Skycrane + V-22 Osprey = Tilt-Rotor Skycrane FTW! ;D
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:)
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Kit bash:
CH-54 Skycrane + V-22 Osprey = Tilt-Rotor Skycrane FTW! ;D
That is something that I'd like to see!
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Kit bash:
CH-54 Skycrane + V-22 Osprey = Tilt-Rotor Skycrane FTW! ;D
That is something that I'd like to see!
Me too!
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I can see a tilt-rotor skycrane as being a challenging derivative, particularly if you keep the wing stowage provisions. Without the need for that, several things become easier.
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Kit bash:
CH-54 Skycrane + V-22 Osprey = Tilt-Rotor Skycrane FTW! ;D
That is something that I'd like to see!
Me too!
That is a fun idea :) Picturing it now... :-*
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Yes, here are some I have made earlier... ;)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/JPVieira_2006/CV-22FC-1.jpg)
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=15.195 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=15.195)
and some amphibious also
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=15.75 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=15.75)
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^ Neat! :) How about adapting them to carry standard 20 or 40 ft containers? Might be handy for bringing equipment to remote places. Mining gigs in Canada or Siberia or something like that.
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Oh, that just has to be built!
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Adapting the concept to the realities of how the V-22 goes together (and to workshare between Boeing and Bell) could be interesting; I'm sorely tempted to play with it and see what I can fit together while maintaining existing interfaces. I would imagine the civil variant could get by without the IR supressors (FWIW, that allows you to use the Hobbycraft nacelles) but with otherwise few differences from the military versions.
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HMX-1 fast becoming reality:
(http://www.navair.navy.mil/img/uploads/V_22_HMX_First_flight_TX_Amarillo.jpg)
Could be fun, too, to do a VV-22 in full HMX-One markings.
It's on my "someday" list, but in 1/48. I pick up the Italeri kit every time I'm near a Hobby Lobby and it's 40% or 50% off coupon time. I have four in the stash right now. And only one will actually wear USMC squadron markings.
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Yeah, but it'll be in support aircraft markings, not Marine One markings. Still, it's a step in the right direction and a VV-22 design is being developed for the next submission.
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What's different about the HMX ?
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What's different about the HMX ?
HMX-1 is the squadron, not the aircraft. ;)
http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/hmx-1/UnitHome.aspx (http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/hmx-1/UnitHome.aspx)
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What's different about the HMX ?
HMX-1 is the squadron, not the aircraft. ;)
[url]http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/hmx-1/UnitHome.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/hmx-1/UnitHome.aspx[/url])
OKay --- I'll rephrase my question Jon --- :D when ttomcat posted that HMX-1 was nearer reality and then shows a pic of an odd coloured V-22 I thought it was to do with the aircraft.
What's different about the V-22 in the photo to other V-22's?
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It's gonna be glossy dark green with white stripes. ;D
The engine nacelles and vertical tails have already been painted.
It'll perform the same role as the Phrogs.
(http://www.fast-air.co.uk/images/110520-RAF-Mildenhall/USMC-CH-46-153362-HMX-1-Photo-2.jpg)
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CH-53Es also flew in the same role and markings. The official Marine One aircraft have white tops to reduce the ECS load (look at their VH-3s and VH-60Ns).
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It's gonna be glossy dark green with white stripes. ;D
The engine nacelles and vertical tails have already been painted.
It'll perform the same role as the Phrogs.
CH-53Es also flew in the same role and markings. The official Marine One aircraft have white tops to reduce the ECS load (look at their VH-3s and VH-60Ns).
A-Ha! things become clearer now, thanks :)
I've just recently got hold of another CH-53E to use the Marine One decals I got sometime ago.
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Minor factoid: Sikorsky's main plant in Stratford, CT has a dedicated and secured hanger for maintaining the VH helicopters and even the office area for them is carefully secured. If the VV-22 was to be selected, I wonder if Bell would construct a similar facility at their Amarillo Plant?
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Yeah, but it'll be in support aircraft markings, not Marine One markings. Still, it's a step in the right direction and a VV-22 design is being developed for the next submission.
My version will be a "white-top" VIP transport.
Off topic:I was a tour guide/escort for a group of WWII veterans and one stop was at HMX-1. Those have to be the cleanest Phrogs and Sh!tt3r$! in the Corps. Nary a trace of dripping hydraulic fluid to be found...
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/MV-22Bs_on_USS_Wasp.jpg)
Shiny!
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Something new from AgustaWestland:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Project_Zero_cropped_zps92781462.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/agustapatent_zpsf8df37c4.jpg)
Story (http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/heli-expo-2013-agustawestland-bullish-about-future/)
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Something new from AgustaWestland
Wicked! With that dark canopy it looks like a drone.
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It does seem a tad light on the stash payload side though... ;)
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'Twould make a nice companion to an EagleEye.
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Something new from AgustaWestland
Wicked! With that dark canopy it looks like a drone.
Err ... Jeff, it's an unmanned tech demonstrator for an unmanned electric powered tiltrotor. ;D
So 'tis indeed a 'drone'.
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Given what Agust-Westland has to have learned from the history and development of what's now the AW609, I imagine they've got the background to do this right.
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Paint it black and give it a payload of 1x Batman! 's all it needs! :icon_ninja:
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Oh that's cool!
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The first HMX-1 MV-22B is now fully painted and looks great!! Hopefully the official photos will be available soon, the ones I saw were unofficial and "not for distribution" (and I do want to keep this job).
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(http://www.shephardmedia.com/static/images/article/V-22_futureSARNW.jpg) (http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/dubai-airshow-2011-bell-boeing-pitches-osprey-gcc-/)
Nose job! Quack!
***added html link to article where the image resides-jjf***
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^ is that supposed to represent a dedicated SAR Osprey variant?
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Hmm, that might go good on my SV-22 build for a surface-search radar to compliment the dipping sonar, sonobuoys, and MAD boom.
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Has the Bell HV-911 been resurrected?
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http://www.bellv280.com (http://www.bellv280.com)
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[url]http://www.bellv280.com[/url] ([url]http://www.bellv280.com[/url])
Very interesting...
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Looks like a Blackhawk crossed with the CTR7500 concepts:
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg6220#msg6220 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg6220#msg6220)
;D
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Looks like a Blackhawk crossed with the CTR7500 concepts:
[url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg6220#msg6220[/url] ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg6220#msg6220[/url])
;D
Well, t he US Army's initial requirement is for a Black Hawk replacement. Oh, minor terminological item, the Sikorsky S-67 is the Blackhawk, the S-70/H-60 is the Black Hawk with navalized variants denominated as Naval Hawks in Sikorsky's documentation.
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For those who've wondered about some of what I work on, check out "Xworx Osprey" in the middle of page 13 of the May, 2013 issue of Combat Aircraft. The caption is a tad bit in error, it wasn't an engine fire, it was a major engine surge due to a high-time engine problem. This photo shows the LH nacelle with the test & demo project I worked on installed. If it continues to perform as well in testing as it has so far, I'll become quite busy this fall as we warp into developing the production version (I've already been told I will be very heavily involved as one of the last designers left who worked on the demonstrator).
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Real World Westland Proposal from 1968:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dw2q_bLHrvI/Tmn9-oIJ8uI/AAAAAAAAE3g/I6Mbp_6hXWk/Westland%252520Civil%252520Tilt%252520Rotor%2525201968.jpg)
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Real World Westland Proposal from 1968:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dw2q_bLHrvI/Tmn9-oIJ8uI/AAAAAAAAE3g/I6Mbp_6hXWk/Westland%252520Civil%252520Tilt%252520Rotor%2525201968.jpg)
The gearboxes and transmissions would be "challenging", considering what's needed for just one three-bladed proprotor. Still, 'twould be nice to see a Bell/Westland teaming on tiltrotors.
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Just did a little cipherin'. Assuming the roters are 60 ft long, you would have to keep the props under 180 rpm or so to prevent the tip from going supersonic.
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Odd thought that occurred to me; LV-22 sued by VX-6 for Antarctic operations along isde their LC-130J Hercules aircraft.
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Quick question: I assume that tilt-rotors are rather load limited because of c-of-g limitations? I expect you need to really balance fore-aft loading because of the central position of the rotors?
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Real World Westland Proposal from 1968:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dw2q_bLHrvI/Tmn9-oIJ8uI/AAAAAAAAE3g/I6Mbp_6hXWk/Westland%252520Civil%252520Tilt%252520Rotor%2525201968.jpg)
I can see prop-tip velocities being an issue with this design, wouldn't take much for them to go way past supersonic.
Wonder if a 4-engined tilt-rotor design is workable? Maybe with the inner engine nacelles extended ahead of a (more) forward canted wing to reduce interference with/by the wing?
:)
Guy
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I wonder what a Italier 1/48 Osprey wing & engine combo would look like positioned on the 1/72 C-27 Spartan. I tried a quick mock-up on the 72nd C-130, and it didn't look quite right, but maybe the smaller C-27 could pull it off?
And yes, it would be RCAF FWSAR :-)
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Spartan concept seems like it otta work. :)
Looked on ebay and they are on the pricey side.
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For those who've wondered about some of what I work on, check out "Xworx Osprey" in the middle of page 13 of the May, 2013 issue of Combat Aircraft. The caption is a tad bit in error, it wasn't an engine fire, it was a major engine surge due to a high-time engine problem. This photo shows the LH nacelle with the test & demo project I worked on installed. If it continues to perform as well in testing as it has so far, I'll become quite busy this fall as we warp into developing the production version (I've already been told I will be very heavily involved as one of the last designers left who worked on the demonstrator).
It's probably bad form to quote yourself, but I shall, anyway, for reference. The test and demo program finished with results that were every bit as good as Bell's most optomistic analyses and starting 9/16/13 I'll be very heavily involved in developing the production version.
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I wonder what a Italier 1/48 Osprey wing & engine combo would look like positioned on the 1/72 C-27 Spartan. I tried a quick mock-up on the 72nd C-130, and it didn't look quite right, but maybe the smaller C-27 could pull it off?
And yes, it would be RCAF FWSAR :-)
ISTR that someone did just that conversion here and the result was a most attractive aircraft. How about a Russian derivative using a 1/72 AN-12 fuselage and 1/48 V-22 wings and engine? The tail gun position would be a nice touch.
Alternatively, a Russian Quad Tilt Rotor using bits from two 1/72 V-22's and an AN-12 fuselage.
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For those who've wondered about some of what I work on, check out "Xworx Osprey" in the middle of page 13 of the May, 2013 issue of Combat Aircraft. The caption is a tad bit in error, it wasn't an engine fire, it was a major engine surge due to a high-time engine problem. This photo shows the LH nacelle with the test & demo project I worked on installed. If it continues to perform as well in testing as it has so far, I'll become quite busy this fall as we warp into developing the production version (I've already been told I will be very heavily involved as one of the last designers left who worked on the demonstrator).
It's probably bad form to quote yourself, but I shall, anyway, for reference. The test and demo program finished with results that were every bit as good as Bell's most optomistic analyses and starting 9/16/13 I'll be very heavily involved in developing the production version.
I expect an in depth, detailed breifing next weekend...
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I wonder what a Italier 1/48 Osprey wing & engine combo would look like positioned on the 1/72 C-27 Spartan. I tried a quick mock-up on the 72nd C-130, and it didn't look quite right, but maybe the smaller C-27 could pull it off?
And yes, it would be RCAF FWSAR :-)
ISTR that someone did just that conversion here and the result was a most attractive aircraft. How about a Russian derivative using a 1/72 AN-12 fuselage and 1/48 V-22 wings and engine? The tail gun position would be a nice touch.
Alternatively, a Russian Quad Tilt Rotor using bits from two 1/72 V-22's and an AN-12 fuselage.
This is the build, by tc2324; Boeing CV-230 Herculean (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1226.60)
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/tc2324/025-16.jpg)
:)
Guy
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I expect an in depth, detailed breifing next weekend...
I'll bring you up to the same level of ignorance I enjoy.
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([url]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/tc2324/025-16.jpg[/url])
:)
Guy
BOOYAH! Love it!!
Luckymodels has the C-27 on sale too. But now that I see it does work quite well with a C-130, I may go that route.
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With all the mods done to the C-130 over its long life, why hasn't something like tc2324's Boeing CV-230 Herculean been tried? Is it technical or would the VTOL arrangement mean a greatly reduced payload? Even being able to tilt the engines up slightly would shorten takeoffs.
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With all the mods done to the C-130 over its long life, why hasn't something like tc2324's Boeing CV-230 Herculean been tried? Is it technical or would the VTOL arrangement mean a greatly reduced payload? Even being able to tilt the engines up slightly would shorten takeoffs.
I'd hazard a guess that engine and transmission design would probably be the main factor since your two tilting nacelles are going to need the power of the four engines the C-130 normally has. That's either two very large engines (perhaps a pair of A400M engines?) or two engines coupled to one transmission. In either case, the transmission is going to be a major effort to handle that much power as well as the control inputs that proprotors require; this would not be an insignificant challenge.
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Actually a four engine tilt rotor with either twin engine nacelles or even one engine in each nacelle an another in clutched into the cross linking drive shafts with contra props on each nacelle could be used for a 1/72 to 1/72 Spartan tilt rotor.
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([url]http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/D314-01.jpg[/url])
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You could build something like those using the old ESCI Tandem-Helix kit:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/The%20Whiffery/SovHelos002.jpg) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hws5mp/media/The%20Whiffery/SovHelos002.jpg.html)
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Great suggestion.
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Good idea, save that underwing stores firing forward are very likely to hit the prop-rotors and that's not a good thing. The fuselage-mounted or sponson-mounted approaches look best. *wicked cackle* You don't want to see some of the stranger V-22 proposals (scarily enough, at least one looks to be proceeding to test and evaluation).
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You could end up with something like this. I did this a couple years ago. It's the DML KA50 made into a tilt rotor.
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/100_5882.jpg)
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/100_5878.jpg)
Ed
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Now that's a beautiful whif. I'm not certain how efficient those rotors would be, they look on the short side to me (to be honest, I understand that the V-22 sacrificed some rotor efficiency to get a quickly stowable design).
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Now that's a beautiful whif. I'm not certain how efficient those rotors would be, they look on the short side to me (to be honest, I understand that the V-22 sacrificed some rotor efficiency to get a quickly stowable design).
Like this one? RAMC V-22 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,34922.0/highlight,v-22.html):
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9885/1001867xn.jpg)
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Nice one Ed. Got any WIP pics?
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This just in, Bell unveils its V-280 Valor mockup at Ft. Benning, GA.
http://bellv280.com/ (http://bellv280.com/)
Pics from the Maneuver Warfighter Conference and Tactical Expo:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.691987927495853.1073741843.137576202937031&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.691987927495853.1073741843.137576202937031&type=3)
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Oh man... do I chop up a 1/35 UH 60 now..
Wonder if it will compete against the Osprey for the FWSAR contract. Interesting pivot point on the engines and the jet augmentation (?) adjacent to the props.
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Wonder if it will compete against the Osprey for the FWSAR contract.
So, a Bell product competing against a Bell product? ;)
Interesting pivot point on the engines and the jet augmentation (?) adjacent to the props.
The engines don't pivot, the rotors do. The engines are mounted on the wingtips.
It's an alternative layout that's been around for decades. Bell proposed it on their
CTR-7500 large civil tilt-rotor. See page 3 of this thread for more.
Boeing used it on their proposal for the XV-15 demonstrator.
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/222_TILTROTOR_01.png)
Yes, that's an MU-2 fuselage. ;D
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I love all things VTOL.
Here's some food for thought
http://youtu.be/Ud66wf47DX0 (http://youtu.be/Ud66wf47DX0)
http://youtu.be/vPXkDl0usgg (http://youtu.be/vPXkDl0usgg)
http://youtu.be/o621_LVO4zM (http://youtu.be/o621_LVO4zM)
http://youtu.be/uudfFbErYVU (http://youtu.be/uudfFbErYVU)
http://youtu.be/SK_Om0gmyNI (http://youtu.be/SK_Om0gmyNI)
http://youtu.be/2BqO7mGqsVs (http://youtu.be/2BqO7mGqsVs)
QTR:
http://youtu.be/bix4ptq3Who (http://youtu.be/bix4ptq3Who)
http://youtu.be/DJovLfFmOB4 (http://youtu.be/DJovLfFmOB4)
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I've become concerned with an issue: Tilt-rotor footprint.
With wing and proprotor folding for stowage everything looks well and good; but, what happens when the time comes to spotting planes on deck with fuel burning and rotors turning?
What happens when engaged in operations among urban canyons, say, in support of MOUT?
I've attached the only three comparison images I could find of size comparisons. Note the footprint comparison against the Frog, and the one against the Chinook (specially leghtwise)
Saludos,
Rafa
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Two words regarding the footprint: Achilles Heel
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Figured as much, Daryl. Everything falls victim of tradeoffs
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That's dirty...
(http://media.dma.mil/2013/Aug/30/2000708891/600/400/0/130830-M-FF989-028.JPG)
(http://media.dma.mil/2013/Aug/30/2000708890/600/400/0/130830-M-UY543-029.JPG)
USMC MV-22 operating in the Northern Territory. Good thing it is the dry season though...
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Ospreys look sexy in the mud.
A few concept iterations of CSA - Common Support Aircraft Maritime and Lockheed&Grumman Multiple Purpose Subsonic Naval Aircraft MPSNA in propfan and (I think) UDF.
(Sourced from the respective topic at secretprojects.co.uk)
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V-22 is being evaluated for the COD role to replace C-2A's. It meets the main criteria, it can carry a crated JSF engine. More to the point, once it delivers to the carrier, it can then make further deliveries to the rest of the task force without transferring material to a waiting MH-60R or MH-60S. It's also been trialed, dry, as a refueling bird and has been successful in safely deploying the drogue to where a F/A-18 could mate with it. I still want to do a USFS one with a mini-MAFS and a hover tank refill capability like the SIkorsky/Aero Union Firehawk has.
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That's cool.
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(http://defense-update.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/v22_f18_refueling650.jpg)
surprised it hasn't been posted yet ;)
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(http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=206345&stc=1&d=1370665579)
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Hasegawa 1:72nd scale MV-22B Osprey (kit number 01571) (http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/has/kit_has_01571.shtml)
Click on html or thumbnail image to see the kit review at CyberModeler.
(http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/has/images/has_01571_titletn.jpg) (http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/has/kit_has_01571.shtml)
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... and Chris Banyai-Riepl's inbox over on Internet Modeler:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/scalemodels/flaviation/Hasegawa-1-72-MV-22B-Osprey.php (http://www.internetmodeler.com/scalemodels/flaviation/Hasegawa-1-72-MV-22B-Osprey.php)
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Interesting shot of the Israeli V-22. I don't think I've seen one caught in the act of folding away it's undercarriage before...
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([url]http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=206345&stc=1&d=1370665579[/url])
Someone did a nice whif there. they don't have any, yet.
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from ARC ....
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal13/12501-12600/gal12537-Fairey-Kuyper/00.shtm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal13/12501-12600/gal12537-Fairey-Kuyper/00.shtm) :-*
(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal13/12501-12600/gal12537-Fairey-Kuyper/01.jpg)
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Cool
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Anyone got an AN-72 wing they could pose next to an Osprey Fuselage?
How about an S-3 Viking wing posed samewise?
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([url]http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=206345&stc=1&d=1370665579[/url])
Israel will be first to receive V-22 Osprey aircraft from U.S.
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-israel-v22-osprey-us-20131031,0,5137128.story#axzz2jOo5cJFW (http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-israel-v22-osprey-us-20131031,0,5137128.story#axzz2jOo5cJFW)
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Lonewulf models make a kit of the Baynes Helijet an early Tilt Rotor proposal.
I built this one a few years ago, it's quite amusing that when entering Baynes Helijet into Google it came up as the second link - I fear for historical researchers in the future ;)
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?topic=33367.0 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?topic=33367.0)
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I spotted Evan going to work the other day !!
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;D
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I spotted Evan going to work the other day !!
Nope, not me, I don't drive a pickup, even if I do live in Texas. I find it amusing that, as we finally have a good 1/72 V-22 kit out there, we (Bell) are getting ready to make significant changes to the engine nacelles. The proof of concept for one change is already fiying on N404TR and I'm "assholes and elbows" into the production version. There's a similar change being studied at the back end, but that's a ways down the road for flying the PoC version (I was heavily involved in that, too).
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Edge of Tomorrow - Official Trailer 1 [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw61gCe2oqI#ws)
QTR's!!
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Anyone have Resident Evil: Retribution? From the posters, it's got an interesting-looking tilt-rotor in it.
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They are the machines that first showed up in Resident Evil: Afterlife.
http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=Resident_Evil:_Afterlife (http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=Resident_Evil:_Afterlife)
The IMPDB page refers to them as modified V-22s, which I guess is becoming the generic term for 'tilt-rotor'. :-\
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http://www.mondoxbox.com/images/shots/59/59267.jpg (http://www.mondoxbox.com/images/shots/59/59267.jpg)
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Nice and mean looking. It looks like the sentries have been targeted.
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I think contra-props would make interesting control systems in a tiltrotor...
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I think contra-props would make interesting control systems in a tiltrotor...
"Interesting" is quite the word I'd used since I've been dealing with them (at least in the sense of "don't intrude into this swept volume" way, structure does need to clear) and I'd hate to think about the complications contra-proprotors would introduce.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L16zuAJkSHg/UyF9iXTk0LI/AAAAAAAA7OY/zut13Q2H8pY/s1600/extraction_by_alexjjessup-d6kw3pf.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bTKG_fz31c0/UyEh7vkvQ8I/AAAAAAAA7NQ/2rx0UTS0lKQ/s1600/1989_boeing_vertol_av_22_lsoc_ghost_by_melkorius-d5e8btx.jpg)
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QTR's Rock. Is the 2nd picture a model or CGI?
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CGI I am afraid - see here (http://melkorius.deviantart.com/art/1989-Boeing-Vertol-AV-22-LSOC-Ghost-326234085)
Though, don't let that stop you from using it as inspiration for your own build. ;)
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QTR's Rock. Is the 2nd picture a model or CGI?
Definitely CGI, that stores "wing" is not in a good location for firing while in airplane mode and the side-firing gun is nicely positioned in the plane of the rotor.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/xplan303ex/ESWAT%20VTOL%20Insertion%20Plane/vlcsnap-9212388.png)
(http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=29743)
(http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=29744)
(http://[url=http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=29745]http://www.hobbyfanatics.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=29745[/url])
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/xplan303ex/ESWAT%20VTOL%20Insertion%20Plane/vlcsnap-9206619.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/xplan303ex/ESWAT%20VTOL%20Insertion%20Plane/vlcsnap-9211815.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/xplan303ex/ESWAT%20VTOL%20Insertion%20Plane/vlcsnap-9212471.png)
From the anime "appleseed" I don't know what is sexier, the C-130 noze job or the fact that its a tilt rotor :-*
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I'd say that's a tilt-wing.
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(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120215070105/cnc/images/e/ee/Starlifter_Transport_concept_art.jpg)
(http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/11/10478/thumb_620x2000/uh144falcon_show.jpg)
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(http://www.mondolithic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Heavy-Lift-VTOL-V-33H-SuperFrog.jpg)
(http://www.mondolithic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Vertical-Magazine_AVTOL-X7_001.jpg)
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apparently the Osprey will be sold to civilian companies soon - what uses do you think they'll be put to ? .... light skycrane, firefighting ? What modifications & colour schemes ?
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apparently the Osprey will be sold to civilian companies soon - what uses do you think they'll be put to ? .... light skycrane, firefighting ? What modifications & colour schemes ?
According to whom? The Agusta-Westland AW609 is apparently on track, although delayed, but it isn't
a V-22. Bell has indicated they want to develop civil variants of the V-280, however that is years off.
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apparently the Osprey will be sold to civilian companies soon - what uses do you think they'll be put to ? .... light skycrane, firefighting ? What modifications & colour schemes ?
Shoot, the FMS aspects are just swinging into heavy play, with Japan leading the way, and I rather doubt they'll be doing civilian sales soon (the aircraft would have to get a civil certification for that and I've heard nothing in that regard).
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The AW609 is almost there (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/hai-convention-news/2014-02-26/agustawestland-offers-demo-flights-aw609-tiltrotor-heli-expo-2014) - see here (http://www.agustawestland.com/product/aw609) for more details.
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Hey Evan,
Why have you kept quiet about this new version of the V-22? ;)
(https://images-blogger-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?url=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-DaClgObb29M%2FU0jqqSbsG9I%2FAAAAAAAA2cc%2FJNbg6OQcPrg%2Fs1600%2Fhsgs6135main-lg.jpg&container=blogger&gadget=a&rewriteMime=image%2F*)
Hasegawa's Egg Plane MV-22 Osprey - coming in June.
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OMG, that Eggplane Osprey looks constipated on a "That's GOTTA Hurt" level... LOL
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He-he, nice one. If you want to see more in similar style just go to
https://www.flickr.com/photos/31186322@N06/sets/72157620520651425/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31186322@N06/sets/72157620520651425/)
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Seriously, Vuk, the Pregnant Osprey IS a model kit coming out--do a google on Hasegawa Eggplanes. Some are cute, some weird, that one... well, in WWII colors its squadron code would be WT-F.
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Ooops, I didn't know that!
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Hey Evan,
Why have you kept quiet about this new version of the V-22? ;)
(https://images-blogger-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?url=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-DaClgObb29M%2FU0jqqSbsG9I%2FAAAAAAAA2cc%2FJNbg6OQcPrg%2Fs1600%2Fhsgs6135main-lg.jpg&container=blogger&gadget=a&rewriteMime=image%2F*)
Hasegawa's Egg Plane MV-22 Osprey - coming in June.
Damn, I'm going to have to get one of those and do it up as N204TR, also known as the ATTR (Advanced Technology Tilt Rotor - a testbed aircraft for various concepts, I was heavily involved in the first one tested and which is still on there for further operational testing) for my desk at work,
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Some from Cutangus:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg1_zpsac9e9110.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg4_zps92a4cc88.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg2_zps74736acc.jpg)
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Fun design!!
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Looks plausible, somewhat like an XV-3 converted to turboshaft power instead of a piston engine. The only thing I'm not certain of is whether you could fit the controls for four-bladed prop-rotors in those nacelles (they tend to be rather large-sized due to control loads).
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some tilt-engine birds from deviantart. Really, really digging these designs...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/14179605943_ae3c06f5b1_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/14156738252_ec39c63c3d_b.jpg)
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Those are awesome! :-*
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another one, the AH-64 roots are obvious. I like it!!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7359/14156191701_084201eccb_b.jpg)
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Some from Cutangus:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg1_zpsac9e9110.jpg[/url])
That has me wanting to do a tilt-rotor Hawker Sea Hawk.... ;D
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that one from Cutangus makes me think a he-162 would be a good starting off point.
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I thought Sea Hawk at first glance also. There would be some basic airframe changes but still doable.
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Maybe a SeaHawk + parts from Yak-38 + some V-22 bits...
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some tilt-engine birds from deviantart. Really, really digging these designs...
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/14179605943_ae3c06f5b1_b.jpg[/url])
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/14156738252_ec39c63c3d_b.jpg[/url])
Both if cleaned up could look good in plastic. The second one for some reason draws my eye...
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These remind me a bit of the drop ship from Aliens:
(http://www.thetopdraw.com/view/images/lep/dropship-mid-res.jpg)
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Dropship would look great with some wings & tilt engines like the those on the Terminator HK... hmm....
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These remind me a bit of the drop ship from Aliens:
([url]http://www.thetopdraw.com/view/images/lep/dropship-mid-res.jpg[/url])
I always liked the dropship except for the missile launching contraptions. Even with futuristic technology there would have to be a better way of mounting those weapons.
The deviant art pics look like dropships on some serious steroids! :P
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It's more of a joke idea, but the 20th SOS flies CV-22B's for AFSOC and their nickname is "The Green Hornets"; it would think that one with the pilot's name shown as "Britt Reid" would be amusing (that, of course, is the name of the radio, and, later, TV, character who fought crime as "The Green Hornet".
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http://youtu.be/C8pRnVE7FE4 (http://youtu.be/C8pRnVE7FE4)
Osprey's in Afghanistan
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Thanks Evan - what was with the subtitles? It's not like the accents were that tough to understand...
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Random Idea: RAF V-22 in this scheme:
(http://www.pixstel.com/raf-merlin-zj117_pics103-10301.jpg)
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Random Idea: RAF V-22 in this scheme:
([url]http://www.pixstel.com/raf-merlin-zj117_pics103-10301.jpg[/url])
Or with U.S. Army markings in a similar shade of green :)
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(http://www.gloopic.net/articles/000469/images/000469a.jpg)
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USMC are back in Darwin, I was hoping for an open day but nothing yet. Saw a CH-53E in flight yesterday, love them and think its too bad Australia went down the Chook road instead. Still hoping for an eventual Osprey or Valour buy though.
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Still hoping for an eventual Osprey or Valour buy though.
Keep dreaming…it will be in the whiff verse for a long, loooong, looooooooong time.
In the meantime, you better get used to these:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jq3WEiv5_nM/UJzcGQkSopI/AAAAAAAAF9g/N2ZsQqAlkQg/s1600/A40016+MRH90+091112+YBCS.jpg)
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Another Quad rotor:
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/202/8/d/quad_vtol_concept_by_ferain-d6ei7xz.png)
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USMC are back in Darwin, I was hoping for an open day but nothing yet. Saw a CH-53E in flight yesterday, love them and think its too bad Australia went down the Chook road instead. Still hoping for an eventual Osprey or Valour buy though.
Those of us at Bell wouldn't mind that at all! Meanwhile, there are already three different FMS packages in work and more in negotiations (two of the in-work ones have been reported in the press). It certainly doesn't hurt that the ATTR is demonstrating design improvements and enhanced capabilities (the IFR capability being just one).
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Baynes Heliplane:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/69/9ohb.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/716/gdi3.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/689/24t2.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/18/pbq3.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/706/wx9r.jpg)
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Valiant: a model being built (or it was in 2012) for a USC thesis film:
(http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/the-valiant-01-500x207.jpg)
(http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/photoB-500x373.jpg)
http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=44816 (http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=44816)
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That's very cool. I quite like it.
Cheers,
Logan
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I've just spent some time looking up Valiant. Went from thesis film to full-on production & was released in April.
Lots of big names in FX volunteered their time & talent, & it seems the total budget for the film was sub-$20K.
I'd love to be able to see it somewhere/somewhen.
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http://www.valiantfilm.com (http://www.valiantfilm.com)
https://www.facebook.com/ValiantFilm (https://www.facebook.com/ValiantFilm)
It's a 23 minute short.
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Less than $20k budget? They spent their money VERY well then! Where can you see the whole thing?
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not really a tilt-rotor, unless you include tilting the whole plane & the pilot .......
Forget abot tail-sitters .... here's a NOSE-sitter !! :o
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Not sure if I can direct link a FB photo here... QTR Osprey (not mine)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t31.0-8/1973193_10152493482249350_2026373248612301026_o.jpg)
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That's Uncle Les' Gingie
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:-X D'oh, I thought it look familiar! Well, worthy of a re-post for sure :D
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(http://www.airport-data.com/images/aircraft/small/000/865/865276.jpg)
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That looks like elmayerle's real-life work on the port engine intake.
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That looks like elmayerle's real-life work on the port engine intake.
hoping he can confirm that as well :) didn't realize it had a great paint scheme to go with it
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That photo was taken a year & a half ago ---- must be more advanced than that now if Evan can't talk about it
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I'm sure he has posted on it, it's an improved filter to allow operations in dusty environments with reduced engine wear & failure associated with said dust.
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Yes, that's the aircraft on which we are flying the proof of concept for the new inlet on the port engine (I was heavily involved in that and I'm now very heavily involved in the production version). N204TR is officially the ATTR (Advanced Technology Tilt-Rotor) aircraft and is on bail for demonstrating new developments and technologies. If you saw pictures of the demo for adding a tanker capability, it was used for that among other efforts that I can't discuss.
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([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22MV-22OspreyUSMCVMX-22WHIFcreate.jpg[/url])
I like the female profile amongst the camo, is that idea copied from a real world camo scheme?
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Yep.
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/301-400/walk385_CH-53/walk385.htm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/301-400/walk385_CH-53/walk385.htm)
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cool :)
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cool :)
Very! 8)
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not a tilt rotor but a tilt wing UAV I found on facebook
it's called Greased Lightning
it appears to be suspended in a sling, but I think it looks neat.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture12_zps6fe8cc69.jpg)
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Looks like it may be a proof of concept vehicle for something larger to me. 8)
Either that or a replacement for the SR-71. ;)
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Looking at it, my initial thought was "Tu-95 BEAR". ;)
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sci-fi from the world of Ma.K. ....
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cool, looks sort of like a tilt rotor Vought XF5U
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sci-fi from the world of Ma.K. ....
Looks cool but I suspect weight and balance is a nightmare, even with fly-by-wire.
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The falx hybrid-electric tilt-rotor
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/9234_28040864345_zps2aecccd7.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/503-322-pp_saker_front_rup_1024_email_zps28f57665.jpg)
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This may have been posted before: Bell - Boeing SV-22 "Anti-submarine warfare" variant from the book "Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey (An Aeroguide Special)" by Anthony M. Thornborough:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Bell_Boeing_SV-22_Navy_ASW_Aeroguide_Special_Bell_Boeing_V-22_page36_810x465_zps87a86e15.png)
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SV-22 needs floats ! ;)
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This may have been posted before: Bell - Boeing SV-22 "Anti-submarine warfare" variant from the book "Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey (An Aeroguide Special)" by Anthony M. Thornborough:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Bell_Boeing_SV-22_Navy_ASW_Aeroguide_Special_Bell_Boeing_V-22_page36_810x465_zps87a86e15.png[/url])
Didn't one of the manufacturers do a kit of this?
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This may have been posted before: Bell - Boeing SV-22 "Anti-submarine warfare" variant from the book "Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey (An Aeroguide Special)" by Anthony M. Thornborough:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Bell_Boeing_SV-22_Navy_ASW_Aeroguide_Special_Bell_Boeing_V-22_page36_810x465_zps87a86e15.png[/url])
Didn't one of the manufacturers do a kit of this?
ESCI *(AMT/Ertl) had a variation on the V-22 theme that included some odd looking racks for a quartet of even stranger looking torpedo shapes. The only different between the standard ESCI V-22 Osprey and the ASW version was the decals and that extra portion of sprue with the torpedos and stores racks.
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ESCI *(AMT/Ertl) had a variation on the V-22 theme that included some odd looking racks for a quartet of even stranger looking torpedo shapes.
Tell me about it, got one of those I'm kit-bashing into an AEW type
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ESCI *(AMT/Ertl) had a variation on the V-22 theme that included some odd looking racks for a quartet of even stranger looking torpedo shapes.
Tell me about it, got one of those I'm kit-bashing into an AEW type
You're not the only one. I'm looking ot add dipping sonar, sonobuoy dispensers, and a deploable MAD "bomb". Definitely need better looking torpedos, though. I'll probalby replace the existing racks with something derived from SIkorsky ESSS pylons.
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ESCI *(AMT/Ertl) had a variation on the V-22 theme that included some odd looking racks for a quartet of even stranger looking torpedo shapes.
Tell me about it, got one of those I'm kit-bashing into an AEW type
You're not the only one. I'm looking ot add dipping sonar, sonobuoy dispensers, and a deploable MAD "bomb". Definitely need better looking torpedos, though. I'll probalby replace the existing racks with something derived from SIkorsky ESSS pylons.
I was looking at using the UH-60 Black Hawk ESSS parts for that same purpose. Not quite sure where to apply them though. A friend of mine back in Indiana built an MV-22 with Pave Low features that included the external fuel tanks and pylons from the MH-53 that were attached on the sponsons just above the main gear on the Osprey. They really looked good at the time and along with a few other bits and pieces from the Pave Low bird that were attached to the top and bottom of the fuselage and a nice coat of dark green overall it looked quite convincing.
Most of the parts you require for an ASW Osprey could be sourced from one of the Lynx HAS, Sea King, Sea Hawk, or, Sea Sprite kits that have the parts included for the ASW mission. The dipping SONAR and the deployable MAD sensor being two of the most common parts in most cases. If you are wanting some kind of radome affixed to the Osprey you have a couple of choices on location. Add it on as an extended nose as suggested in the image above? Perhaps under the fuselage as flown on the Sea Sprite and Sea Hawk LAMPS birds? On top of the fuselage or attached to the rear loading ramp? Plenty of options on the location just need to make it fit in with the rest of the concept.
Decent torpedo shapes in 1:72nd scale are out there and some decent looking Mk 46 ASW torpedoes can be found in the Hasegawa P-3 Orion kit. Revell's Breguet Atlantic kit also has a couple of nice torpedo shapes and some nice life raft containers if you want to add something uniquie to your ASW bird to give it an SAR mission. There are a number of other 1:72nd scale kits out there with some torpedo shapes that might work but it all depends on how much detail you want on the things. I really do not know of any resin or metal aftermarket torpedoe shapes that are currently available. Anyone have additional information on that to share, please do. I have some of the following in my possession and I can say that they exceed my expectations for details on amu 1:48th scale torpedo:
offers a set of three different torpedo types for the Lynx HAS as [url=http://www.belcherbits.com/lines/148conv/bb34.htm]BB-34 - Lynx ASW Weapons set (http://www.belcherbits.com/Belcher Bits[/url) provides some nice aftermarket resin torpedoes for the Lynx in the form of the Mk 46, Sting Ray, and, Euro Torp MU90.
AeroBonus (AiRes) (http://www.aires.cz/en/) has a nice set of Mk 44 ASW torpedoes (http://www.aires.cz/en/product/mk-44-us-navy-torpedoes/0-696/) and Mk 46 ASW torpedoes (http://www.aires.cz/en/product/mk-46-us-navy-torpedoes/0-673/).
Interior details for an ASW V-22 can be found in the same Lynx, Sea Sprite, Sea King, and, Sea Hawk kits though in most cases it is very sparse on the details in 1:72nd scale. Sonobouy launchers and sensor consoles being the most important pieces. I would guess the best location for the sonobouy launcher on the Osprey would be on the rear loading ramp or perhaps launched through the floor (underside) of the Osprey. You could drill some holes for your sonobouy tubes and box it over on the interior to make something that could pass for the launcher system. In 1:48th scale Osprey you have the same Lynx HAS, Sea Hawk and Sea Sprite kits to source for parts plus the Cobra Company resin conversions for the Sea Sprite and Sea Hawk. Cobra Company (http://cobracompany.com/) offers the following items for the SH-2 Sea Sprite and the SH-60 Sea Hawk that could be applied towards your SV-22 Osprey ASW aircraft in 1:48th scale:
SH-2 Sonobuoy Launcher (http://cobracompany.com/48063.htm)
SeaHawk External Sensor (http://www.cobracompany.com/48059.htm)
SH-60B Super Detail Set (http://www.cobracompany.com/48026.htm) includes a pair of torpedo shapes plus the sensor console equipment and the sonobouy launcher. Additional exterior details for the fuel tank sponsons and pylons plus the folding main rotor parts.
SH-60F Super Detail Set (http://www.cobracompany.com/48027.htm)Pretty much the same parts as above. Really can not determine what the difference is between them based on the images provided.
These following items are included just in case you want to adapt some of the parts to your V-22 Osprey:
HH-60H Conversion/Detail Set (http://www.cobracompany.com/48032.htm)
HH-60J "Jayhawk" USCG conversion/ Detail set (http://www.cobracompany.com/48033.htm)
MH-60L conversion for Academy UH-60L (http://www.cobracompany.com/48031.htm)
MH-60L DAP weapons set (http://www.cobracompany.com/48034.htm)
If you don't want to spend the money for the Belcher Bits and AeroBonus torpedoes there is always the alternative of using some of the lesser quality torpedo shapes from the various kits that include an ASW torpedo in the kit.
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I'm thinking the ESSS rack-derived bits at roughly where the SV-22 kit has that ladder-looking rack; that puts the torpedos well clear of the prop-rotors when they drop. My plan is to replace the existing lower aft ramp with a sonobuoy launcher mounting the winch for the MAD "bomb" on top of it. I've got both SH-2 and SH-60 kits in 1/72 to optain the MAD bomb from and I've got a PV-22 kit (same manufacturer(s) as the SV-22) with a dipping sonar. I'm not totally sure what to do for the radar, but I've time to puzzle that out; real world V-22 efforts are keeping me quite busy.
I'll admit, though, that I like the idea of the radar in the nose rather than under the fuselage; less chance of FOD damage.
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Here's some tilt rotors from the pages of B.P.R.D.
(http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/scan0006a.jpg) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/CliffyB/media/scan0006a.jpg.html) (http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/scan0007a.jpg) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/CliffyB/media/scan0007a.jpg.html) (http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/scan0008a.jpg) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/CliffyB/media/scan0008a.jpg.html) (http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/scan0009a.jpg) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/CliffyB/media/scan0009a.jpg.html) (http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu194/CliffyB/scan0011a.jpg) (http://s647.photobucket.com/user/CliffyB/media/scan0011a.jpg.html)
Some neat C-130 and B-29 derived versions :)
***Coordinated with Mike to get the images reduced in size. Click on each image to view full size image at PhotoBucket.
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It looks more like the front end of a Ju-188 or 388.
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what if Bartini met Mr Flettner & both moved to Russia ?
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I guess it would be hell of a craft!
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Wow!
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mog1.gif)
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Well, it's now official, Japan has started the acquisition process to acquire MV-22B variants (albeit with some avionics mods). Looks like at least some of those Hasgawa "whif" markings might come a bit closer to reality.
Edited Addition: I'll also admit to verifiable rumors of some other FMS options in work, a couple of which depend on the project I'm busy on.
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Any comments Evan?
Bell Boeing demonstrates successful V-22 osprey forward-firing capability (http://www.bellhelicopter.com/en_US/News/PressReleases/NewsRelease/NewsRelease.html?ReleaseID=f37e8a25-90ed-4cae-a59b-ad5569bf3b5f)
(https://textron.app.box.com/representation/file_version_21704687925/image_2048_jpg/1.jpg?shared_name=d21n593m6232lv6lmrit)
(https://textron.app.box.com/representation/file_version_21704261457/image_2048_jpg/1.jpg?shared_name=d21n593m6232lv6lmrit)
(https://textron.app.box.com/representation/file_version_21704258637/image_2048_jpg/1.jpg?shared_name=d21n593m6232lv6lmrit)
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Aircraft is N204TR (CN D0043), also known as the ATTR (Advanced Technology TiltRotor). and it's used as a testbed. This was a "quick and dirty" trials installation that included replacing the standard FLIR turret with one incorporating designation capability. A production mod would have pylons on both sides and they would be slightly swept forward so that the starboard weapons would clear the door. The overall location looks peculiar but makes sense in that it moves the weapons out of the sweep of the prop-rotor even in forward flight.
The engine nacelle nearest the camera still has the proof of concept EIBF installation I was involved with on 2011 & 2012 and it's more than demonstrating its worth. I'm currently involved in a production kit development of this concept.
I've heard rumors that some of these pictures were taken by Jay Miller, but I can't verify at the moment. I do know there were at least five separate cameras tracking the tests.
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I presume the top-surfaces aren't really blue ... just an effect of the light ?
Have had some "interesting" goes at fixing WW2 colour pics where Luftwaffe yellow has appeared as RAF duck-egg blue !
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Definitely an effect of the light, the aircraft upper surfaces are in the standard USMC gray color.
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I didn't think the rotor arcs were that close to the fuselage? It's an interesting position for weapons pylons. Reminds me of the Rockets installed on the Coastal Command Liberators, which were also a cheek installation.
I just had a question pop into my head (don't know where from). Can the V-22 lower it's nacelles to below the horizontal at all? I can't really think if it would be any use, except for mid-air braking but I was just wondering...
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I didn't think the rotor arcs were that close to the fuselage? It's an interesting position for weapons pylons. Reminds me of the Rockets installed on the Coastal Command Liberators, which were also a cheek installation.
I just had a question pop into my head (don't know where from). Can the V-22 lower it's nacelles to below the horizontal at all? I can't really think if it would be any use, except for mid-air braking but I was just wondering...
Yes, they are that close, it really shows when the V-22 is in "show pose" with the nacelles down and the rotors stopped in an "inverted-Y" position.
No, horizontal is as far down as the nacelles will rotate.
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Reminds me of 'Guns a Go Go"
http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-powerful-helicopter-gunship-ach-47a.html (http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-powerful-helicopter-gunship-ach-47a.html)
(http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-powerful-helicopter-gunship-ach-47a.html)
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I didn't think the rotor arcs were that close to the fuselage?
Yes, they are that close, it really shows when the V-22 is in "show pose" with the nacelles down and the rotors stopped in an "inverted-Y" position.
Like here:
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013009_zpsc26e4171.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Yuma%20Airshow%202013/Yuma2013009_zpsc26e4171.jpg.html)
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CanMilAir Decals has just released this decal sheet:
http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194 (http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194)
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CanMilAir Decals has just released this decal sheet:
[url]http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194[/url] ([url]http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194[/url])
Now I DON'T have an excuse not buy a CV-122.
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Nice decals for the 1/72 Osprey in the stash!
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CanMilAir Decals has just released this decal sheet:
[url]http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194[/url] ([url]http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194[/url])
Somewhat amused that the drawing is not taken from an accurate side view. There's an "elephant ear" scoop" for the oil cooler on the upper aft outboard side of the engine nacellee that is quite prominent, but not seen in this art. Still, the decals themselves look most excellent and add another whif possibility to the two Japanese schemes Hasegawa is producing.
Bell can but hope that all three comes true (some form of Japanese will, the FMS paperwork has already started).
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$23 for a 72nd scale sheet though...a bit spendy for some.
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His sheets used to be quite a bit cheaper, but the GST crowd got interested in his sales ---
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Another option for Canadian V-22 decals would be Belcher Bits. I have two of the Labrador/Voyageur sheets for this very reason.
I'm thinking of adding Raspberry Ripple and Fanta Can to the schemes I want to do on Ospreys.
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That profile that CanMilAir Decals use looks very familiar, just can't place it though.
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That profile that CanMilAir Decals use looks very familiar, just can't place it though.
Something posted here or on some other whiffing site?
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Not sure Evan, if it was on here or what if or anywhere else. I've done a file search and explored both websites and joy so far. It does look as if its either Xenia or Maverick's work but I honestly have no idea. It is, as I said looks strangely familiar. I'll look on some other files. Its either that or my mind is starting to go.
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I checked my CAF folder and I have some of John's SAR profiles but he always includes his JL + Maverick inside a red circle outline.
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Are you thinking of this one (from page 1 of this thread):
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/V-22/V-22CV-122OspreyCanadianArmedFor-4.jpg)
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And whilst on the same theme:
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5540/canadiansarv.jpg)
(http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/5a/30/88ccfddf5118b06e60f66b17b2b6aeab.jpg)
(http://www.fs2000.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/image004.jpg)
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Simon (Mossie on The What-If Forum) has some very similar profiles of a Canadian SAR V-22
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Is the fuselage on a flatbed truck a mock up or an actual delivery? Looks like tour time for the big wigs.
A model done up this way would make a beautiful display on my shelf.
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That's true, although the image they use is cropped and facing the wrong way. No Greg I have that pic all the way from Sept 2008 that's similar but not exact. Hmm, puzzling.
Anyway, in my search I stumbled across something, I saved a Wikipedia entry regarding Dale Brown's fictional aircraft, specifically the MV-32.
"The MV-32 is the advanced version of the V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft. The traditional propellers found on the V-22 are replaced by advanced jet engines. It fires navalized versions of the FIM-92 Stinger and has two cannon pods, with a 20 mm Gatling gun under the nose. The MV-32 has enhanced range and speed over the V-22 and is traditional used in Tin Man support operations."
So Jet lift?
Instead perhaps some form of Un-ducted fan? or like an extended/enlarged A400M / An-70 style prop?
Can the transmission handle more than three blades thereby reducing the prop/rotor arc?
Or attach the wing to a different fuselage.
Or even search through the whole thread an see what else had been posted.
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Anyway, in my search I stumbled across something, I saved a Wikipedia entry regarding Dale Brown's fictional aircraft, specifically the MV-32.
"The MV-32 is the advanced version of the V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft. The traditional propellers found on the V-22 are replaced by advanced jet engines. It fires navalized versions of the FIM-92 Stinger and has two cannon pods, with a 20 mm Gatling gun under the nose. The MV-32 has enhanced range and speed over the V-22 and is traditional used in Tin Man support operations."
So Jet lift?
Instead perhaps some form of Un-ducted fan? or like an extended/enlarged A400M / An-70 style prop?
Can the transmission handle more than three blades thereby reducing the prop/rotor arc?
Or attach the wing to a different fuselage.
Or even search through the whole thread an see what else had been posted.
That Tilt-Rotor Shorts Sherpa is a wonderful idea!
GTX' posted a fan-jet V-22 earlier in this discussion at this link: Reply #44, 20120107 from Greg T (GTX_Admin), Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg3217#msg3217)
Based on that idea I dabbled around with a jet engine (fan-jet) version of the V-22 based on a digital model I found at the SketchUp 3D Warehouse (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/?redirect=1) several years ago. Since the model was derived from the work of another party I did not share it on-line. I do have some screen captures of the model I made in an image gallery attached to my FB page. Here are a few of the images that I uploaded to that gallery:
V-22 with fan jet units replacing the rotors:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1919521_212763793531_5079031_n.jpg?oh=17edbb7c8371729c87f413402c0374ce&oe=553F9DBF&__gda__=1429611102_62bad888f4ab31a503c82e380ac5d238) (https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1919521_212778153531_5398973_n.jpg?oh=0d6aa44db894904368204323f9bac0c5&oe=5535D718&__gda__=1426055417_fc3b2e4deb2387711e48cb530ad5132b)
V-22 with six-rotor blades instead of three-rotor blades:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/525689_10151718731163532_1531191675_n.jpg?oh=7baa5f1f96f9adccc36b3874f6e26b2a&oe=5506E569&__gda__=1425694680_4de550ad23a4cc605c6097c9f9edf89d) (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/538753_10151718731068532_912643684_n.jpg?oh=bf4432470e247737d37ca84288a36179&oe=55063257&__gda__=1425799977_ec8c5145cf09fd6227ed10fa436f4f77)
V-44 Quad-Tilt-Rotor (QTR) based on a modified C-130 with V-22 Osprey counter-[contra-]rotating three-blade rotors mated to C-130 engine units:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1919521_200903758531_1169273_n.jpg?oh=c9a12a27d8e036b11806b82cf77b209a&oe=54FE8D07&__gda__=1425678822_6eaa50517835397247f20c4c4e5d43d8)
Hopefully FB will cooperate and display the images
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Can the transmission handle more than three blades thereby reducing the prop/rotor arc?
Or attach the wing to a different fuselage.
While the transmission likely could, the control linkages eat up volume like you wouldn't believe (I'm dealing with that area as part of the project I'm on and I have to be careful to stay out of the volume they rotate through). I know there've been studies of dual contra-rotating prop-rotors, but I don't know of anything that progressed to flight test status.
I know the Bell tilt-rotor thread over on Secret Projects has a depiction of a Bell/Boeing proposal of the V-22 nacelles and wing mated to a Dash 8 fuselage with a sponson added, each side, for the main gear. I intend to model that one, either in civil markings or in CAF markings.
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I know the Bell tilt-rotor thread over on Secret Projects has a depiction of a Bell/Boeing proposal of the V-22 nacelles and wing mated to a Dash 8 fuselage with a sponson added, each side, for the main gear. I intend to model that one, either in civil markings or in CAF markings.
You'll need to extend the span on the wings. I know because I had one half built, Italeri V-22 + Hobby craft Dash 8, it died after a shelf collapse a couple years back.
:-X
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I'll take that advice as I work on mine. Not sure if I'll splice in an inboard portion of the Dash 8 wing or just add an extension to the V-22 wing, but I've got time.
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I know the Bell tilt-rotor thread over on Secret Projects has a depiction of a Bell/Boeing proposal of the V-22 nacelles and wing mated to a Dash 8 fuselage with a sponson added, each side, for the main gear. I intend to model that one, either in civil markings or in CAF markings.
You'll need to extend the span on the wings. I know because I had one half built, Italeri V-22 + Hobby craft Dash 8, it died after a shelf collapse a couple years back.
:-X
Now that sounds interesting Jon ---- anything to do with the Dash 8 fuselage being round and bigger in diameter than the square fuselage the V-22 has ;)
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Odd thought for a huge tilt-rotor aircraft, a MIL Mi-12 with just the transmission and proprotor moving for each nacelle.
This thought stemmed from the NASA Historical Monograph on the XV-15 which include a lot of back history on tilt-rotor aircraft. Platt-LePage Helicopters got into it looking at improvements that could be made to the Focke-Angleis twin-rotor concept with horizontally-spaced rotors rather than fore-and-aft spaced ones. Since the Mi-12 has this same configuration, it seemed a natural as a large tilt-rotor aircraft.
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Firmly on my to do list is a tilt rotor strike version. V-22 wings and rotors with a minimalist fuselage with hard points underneath for rocket pods, Hellfire and such. Some form of gun perhaps like the Apache. Landing gear would have to be on the tall side to allow room for weapons loading.
Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.
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Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.
One reason an armed V-22 demonstration has been conducted. The real trick is keeping the released weapons clear of the proprotors. My own thought would be to keep the existing lines but replace the cargo bay with a weapons bay with doors on the bottom.
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Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.
One reason an armed V-22 demonstration has been conducted. The real trick is keeping the released weapons clear of the proprotors. My own thought would be to keep the existing lines but replace the cargo bay with a weapons bay with doors on the bottom.
With palletized pre-loaded 'bomb-racks' that are replaced via the loading ramp. ;D
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Please, the currently acceptable term is racks of inflight-disposable cargo. :)
In a different idea, a forest-fire fighting V-22 in either USFS markings or the equivalent French markings (as used on the CL-415's; are there decals of those available in 1/72?).
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(as used on the CL-415's; are there decals of those available in 1/72?).
Leading Edge Decal does some Ontario one and they used to do some New Foundland ones
http://www.lemdecal.com/ (http://www.lemdecal.com/)
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Firmly on my to do list is a tilt rotor strike version. V-22 wings and rotors with a minimalist fuselage with hard points underneath for rocket pods, Hellfire and such. Some form of gun perhaps like the Apache. Landing gear would have to be on the tall side to allow room for weapons loading.
Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.
A jaunt in the wayback machine: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg3802#msg3802 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg3802#msg3802)
Here are some additional photos for your viewing pleasure:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/jjmj94/belly1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jjmj94/media/belly1.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/jjmj94/sideupdate.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jjmj94/media/sideupdate.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/jjmj94/gunpodmounted.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jjmj94/media/gunpodmounted.jpg.html)
I have a few more, if there's interest.
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Great thread with great builds.
Terrific tilt-rotor attack build :-*
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I did a quick look through the stash and didn't find anything useful for an attack version. However, the Mohawk cockpit is genius! The other thing I was imagining that I don't have in the stash is a Bronco front end. Now I have to shop!!
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I did a quick look through the stash and didn't find anything useful for an attack version. However, the Mohawk cockpit is genius! The other thing I was imagining that I don't have in the stash is a Bronco front end. Now I have to shop!!
Perhaps a 1/48 Apache cockpit and nose?
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I have a 1/72nd V-22 kit in the stash so I would like to stay with that. I was trying to imagine how to do any sort of in line cockpit instead of tandem. Apache is certainly a candidate. I was thinking of the Cheyenne too.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2888/13704908563_7093436bdc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/mT4eQX)AH-56A Cheyenne, U. S. Army (668831), Kentucky, Fort Campbell (https://flic.kr/p/mT4eQX) by EC Leatherberry (https://www.flickr.com/people/23711298@N07/)
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I as thinking Apache simply because Boeing acquired the Apache during their merger mania and has kept it. Granted that the design office for the Apache is rather far across the country from the design office that did the fuselage of the V-22 (just outside Philadelphia), they still could work together.
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(as used on the CL-415's; are there decals of those available in 1/72?).
Leading Edge Decal does some Ontario one and they used to do dome New Foundland ones
[url]http://www.lemdecal.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.lemdecal.com/[/url])
Just checked Hannants, Syhart does French ones in 1/144 and 1/72; probably need both to do a V-22 properly.
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How about a Bronco forward fuselage?
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How about a Bronco forward fuselage?
With both in 1/72, you'd need to redo most of the rest of the V-22 fuselage. I'm thinking a 1/48 Bronco to a 1/72 V-22 would work, though. Have to check that out.
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That would be an interesting scale o rama. 8)
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I do have a 1/72 whiskey cobra in the stash. Hmmmm....
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http://breakingdefense.com/2015/01/v-22-perfect-for-cod-navy-leaders/ (http://breakingdefense.com/2015/01/v-22-perfect-for-cod-navy-leaders/)
Winner
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[url]http://breakingdefense.com/2015/01/v-22-perfect-for-cod-navy-leaders/[/url] ([url]http://breakingdefense.com/2015/01/v-22-perfect-for-cod-navy-leaders/[/url])
Winner
Yep, it will be denoted as the HV-22B. I can see some other navies now getting interested in a similar variant (Osprey C.1 in Fleet Air Arm markings, anyone?).
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The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this --
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The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this --
And as usual, don't have a clue what they are talking about...
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The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this --
Yeah, and it's quite entertaining if you're actually familiar with the aircraft (something I can claim legitimately).
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Anigrand has 1/72 Doak VZ-4DA. Make a nifty attack tilt-rotor model.
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Has anyone said how they are going to deal with the F-35 engine cans? My understanding is that it doesn't fit into a V-22 cargo bay.
The V-22 cargo bay has a published width of 65" and the F135 has a diameter of 46". 19" is not much of an allowance for a shipping can and a transport pallet.
Awkward, but it would be possible to ship the can only (assuming it fits), but a bit tight. They must have a plan to support the F-35 during a COD mission, anyone have any details?
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The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this --
Yeah, and it's quite entertaining if you're actually familiar with the aircraft (something I can claim legitimately).
Ive been enjoying all the hurt feelings immensely, can't wait in another 6 months for more "bad news" to drop ;) 2015 is going to be a great year in that way.
Has anyone said how they are going to deal with the F-35 engine cans? My understanding is that it doesn't fit into a V-22 cargo bay.
The V-22 cargo bay has a published width of 65" and the F135 has a diameter of 46". 19" is not much of an allowance for a shipping can and a transport pallet.
Awkward, but it would be possible to ship the can only (assuming it fits), but a bit tight. They must have a plan to support the F-35 during a COD mission, anyone have any details?
(http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2015/january/HV-22-Osprey_COD_Aircraft_Carrier_Delivery_3.jpg)
special container^
(http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2015/january/HV-22-Osprey_COD_Aircraft_Carrier_Delivery_2.jpg)
Oh my :-*
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I couldn't quite see why the USN would consider the V-22 as a COD if it couldn't carry the F-35 engine shipping cradles. They must have known it was capable of doing it well before hand.
I couldn't understand one of the detractors comments that it wasn't capable of carrying the weight of them either, he said the Greyhound could bring on-board 5 tons of cargo, the specs for the V-22 say it can carry 20,000 lb internally, well that '10' tons --- much more capable I'd think --- and take it to any ship with a landing pad to boot.
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I couldn't quite see why the USN would consider the V-22 as a COD if it couldn't carry the F-35 engine shipping cradles. They must have known it was capable of doing it well before hand.
I couldn't understand one of the detractors comments that it wasn't capable of carrying the weight of them either, he said the Greyhound could bring on-board 5 tons of cargo, the specs for the V-22 say it can carry 20,000 lb internally, well that '10' tons --- much more capable I'd think --- and take it to any ship with a landing pad to boot.
Don't start getting facts crossed up with other peoples delusions. Somebody ends up with a stroke from the high blood pressure.
Did a little checking. The payload for the V-22 was listed by Wikipedia as 20,000 lbs and the C-2 at 10,000 lbs. The two aircraft had about the same cruising speed but the C-2 had a much longer range. Of course the V-22 has AAR capability and, as you said, can land on any ship with a landing pad. So sacrifice range for versatility. Unless you have a COD with intercontinental range the fleet is going to have to sail close to a friendly base that has the supplies it needs anyway.
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V-22 COD variant sounds perfectly reasonable to me. 8)
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A V-22 COD also helps if you've got carriers without arresting gear; your only other option, then, is a much slower CH-47 or something equivalent.
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The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this --
I sometimes I wonder if they have different versions of their arguments ready so they can knock whichever option is successful. This is from a bloke who has criticised many defence procurements in his time. ;)
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I wonder why I couldn't find those images when searching?
Kind of a minimalist engine can, but it is a can and an engine goes inside... then it all goes inside an Osprey.
The V-22 as a support for fleet ops is a good choice. I've often wondered why it wasn't in place for VERTREP. I can see lots of potential for supporting dispersed forces. I wonder if they will start building flightdecks on AORs to handle the extra weight? Logistics are critical, anything that improves the flow is a good thing.
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Those Iowa class BB whiffs with the added flight decks can now start sport'n HV-22s.
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Those Iowa class BB whiffs with the added flight decks can now start sport'n HV-22s.
Hmm, perhaps an Osprey C.1 operating off a similar conversion of H.M.S. Vanguard, assuming she was kept in reserves longer? Perhaps in support of her Harrier FGR.11 squadron and others onboard?
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Those Iowa class BB whiffs with the added flight decks can now start sport'n HV-22s.
Hmm, perhaps an Osprey C.1 operating off a similar conversion of H.M.S. Vanguard, assuming she was kept in reserves longer? Perhaps in support of her Harrier FGR.11 squadron and others onboard?
Removal of the rearmost turret would leave plenty of room. Who makes a Vanguard kit?
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Those Iowa class BB whiffs with the added flight decks can now start sport'n HV-22s.
Hmm, perhaps an Osprey C.1 operating off a similar conversion of H.M.S. Vanguard, assuming she was kept in reserves longer? Perhaps in support of her Harrier FGR.11 squadron and others onboard?
Removal of the rearmost turret would leave plenty of room. Who makes a Vanguard kit?
If memory serves me correctly, she was a derivative of the design for H.M.S. Lion and I've seen drawings of a studied battlecarrier version of that design, so you'd have a starting place for this conversion of Vanguard.
(Does it seem ironic to anyone that the last British battleship built was named "Vanguard"?)
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The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this --
I sometimes I wonder if they have different versions of their arguments ready so they can knock whichever option is successful. This is from a bloke who has criticised many defence procurements in his time. ;)
yup.
I sometimes think people confuse real issues and actual trade offs and decisions with minor gripes that are not deal breakers. I noticed that seems to be the thing a lot of these articles lock onto. Much like a successful marriage, work and adjustments and annoyances are not deal breakers, I wouldn't divorce my wife because she chews her food too loud when she has fried chicken. people have a hard time differentiating between a serious concern and some detail that needs to be accounted for, but the all other aircraft have those too. There are no perfect weapons.
Some of these gripes are just relics leftover from times before a lot of the complainers were even born, I'm still seeing complaints about the F-15 being "too complex" its amazing.
Anywho, I am hoping this is the start of more US Navy use, from ASW to SAR, even Naval Special Warfare. Vertical lift is never short of work.
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What I love are the 'F-18 good, F-35 bad' arguments that read exactly like the old 'F-4/F-14/A-7/A-6 good, F-18 bad' arguments
of over thirty years ago.
;D
... and I do mean 'exactly'. >:( :icon_fsm:
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What I love are the 'F-18 good, F-35 bad' arguments that read exactly like the old 'F-4/F-14/A-7/A-6 good, F-18 bad' arguments
of over thirty years ago.
;D
... and I do mean 'exactly'. >:( :icon_fsm:
yes sir. :) and yes verbatim.
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What I love are the 'F-18 good, F-35 bad' arguments that read exactly like the old 'F-4/F-14/A-7/A-6 good, F-18 bad' arguments
of over thirty years ago.
;D
... and I do mean 'exactly'. >:( :icon_fsm:
The word that comes to mind is conservatism in the literal rather than political sense, or maybe inertia might be a better word.
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Some people dislike change, some run toward it. Both are wrong, and right, depending on the outcome. If I had been a raging fanboy of the A-12, well, I'd feel kind of dumb now...or possibly in denial. :(
Alvis 3.1
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So what was wrong with the A-12 ;D
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Which "A-12"? The "article" that evolved into the SR-71 or the aborted all-weather attack aircraft originally known as ATA?
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Which "A-12"? The "article" that evolved into the SR-71 or the aborted all-weather attack aircraft originally known as ATA?
I assume Alvis mean the Flying Dorito, because that's the one I meant and the CIA bird was actually a success rather than being cancelled before its first flight. Not the place to discuss but I have wondered how close it was to actually working and if it could have been made a success, there are a whole raft of whiffs in the projects cancelled by Cheney then Rummy when he got his turn as SECDEF.
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Getting back to tilt-rotor aircraft, how about an AEW variant with an antenna like that of the Ka-31, but using an AESA radar with a host of transmit/receive modules in the array.
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Yes, something like this:
(http://www.aviastar.org/foto/snias_cougar-aew.jpg)
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I've been working (off-&-on) on a similar concept, except the radome will be streamlined. The idea is it will swing down on a pylon and that there's no rear ramp
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Yes, something like this:
([url]http://www.aviastar.org/foto/snias_cougar-aew.jpg[/url])
That does look more sensible that just under the fuselage and would simplify stowage and maintenance.
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Early AEW Tiltrotor proposal:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/scan0002-1.jpg[/url])
This is one of the roles/missions/concepts which sadly has not come to being :(
Something I've never understood, but something I have always included in my personal long-term project 'The System' since the JVX program started !!
M.A.D
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If you don't have the storage height requirement the USMC wanted, you could probably do it fairly easily, though the connnections when the wings pivoted to the stowed position might be a pain. It's probably the cleanest approach but, if you're working with that restriction, such as a variant that could be shared with the USMC or other users, it gets a bit more problematical.
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Another possibility for an armed variant would be a gun installation similar to what IAI installed on the Battlehawk.
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I wonder if an arrangement akin to the Chilean Boeing-IAI 707 Cóndor, though suitably scaled down would be doable for an AEW V-22 using AESA radars? Put a nose radome plus two side arrays.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/EB-707_Condor%2C_Chilean_Air_Force_%28FACh%29_v2.jpg)
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An enlarged nose radome might fit, getting decent side arrays given the sponsons and the blockage the tilted nacelles would give in hover mode, I'm not sure how practical such an approach would be.
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How about in a fairing kinda like the one on the Mohawk ?
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Check the Australian E-7A Wedgetail.
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/7/6/0600677.jpg)
Might be a more workable antenna set up.
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How about in a fairing kinda like the one on the Mohawk ?
A MV-22 in that exact paint scheme and markings would look outstanding!
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I've thought that a SAAB Erieye, mounted so that it could fold down for stowage, would work quite well.
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or....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/singapore-declares-g550-aew-fully-operational-370768/ (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/singapore-declares-g550-aew-fully-operational-370768/)
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Check the Australian E-7A Wedgetail.
([url]http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/7/6/0600677.jpg[/url])
Welsh Models do this in 1/72 scale, going to get one once my job gets me back on my feet.
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That would fill up the shelf! Go for it!
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Well it would sit under the wing of the 1/72 C-5 Galaxy I have quite well --- ;)
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You have big shelves!
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Tilting ducting fans also count here:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CDz6RXwmTe4/VExd4A94-TI/AAAAAAAAGXA/8lOzYm5DOqM/s1600/DSC_8478fixeda1.jpg)
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Alright, THAT is cool! Filing it away for future consideration.
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(http://blogs.star-telegram.com/.a/6a00d8341c2cc953ef0153930d9c69970b-pi)
Another "fun with camera angles"
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Nice shot! Gives me ideas, like I need more projects.
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([url]http://blogs.star-telegram.com/.a/6a00d8341c2cc953ef0153930d9c69970b-pi[/url])
Another "fun with camera angles"
Like I need another idea bouncing around in my head...but that looks very doable!
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Not too far removed from the Bell V-280 Valor:
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q4UDtTrL-rE/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Just a nice photo by an old 747-400 electrical engineering buddy, Jessie Mina, currently a lead at Research and Engineering Group, Avionics Department, Info Warfare Systems Division, Targeting & Fire Control Branch (Coded 45230) MCAS, Miramar.
:)
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Nice shot of a squadron commander's aircraft.
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The tilting duct-fan reminds me of the Bell D2064:
(http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=189419&d=1288252139)
Which I attempted in 1/350:
(http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/Images/D2064/D2064F.JPG)
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21954.0 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21954.0)
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(http://img11.nnm.ru/c/9/c/8/9/834a4873b042f96d6d9606514bd.jpg)
(http://s19.postimg.org/cxlkd5bc3/Kamov_V_100_model_Copy_2.jpg)
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Interesting "parked and stowed" configuration in the lower picture. I've seen the V-22 go through the "quick-stow" evolution, it's rather impressive and the result is quite compact.
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Another tilt-ducted fan:
(http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Bell-D190B-VTOL.jpg)
The description with this is very enticing for whiff ideas:
"...an artists impression of the Bell D190B, a tilt-duct VTOL derived in part from the X-22. The D190 series, dating from the early 1960’s, was for a more-or-less common airframe design that could carry out a number of missions. Interestingly, variants of this design were considered for “parasite” roles. The aircraft could hard-dock to the underside of a C-130; the larger transport aircraft could then haul the smaller VTOL around the world, where it could serve as a rescue plane (note the rectangular hatch on the top of the fuselage). Another idea was for the small VTOL to serve as a crew or passenger transfer system for EC-135J (707 derivatives) flying command posts, including transporting VIPs (read: politicians) away from nuclear strikes to orbiting escape planes."
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Another tilt-ducted fan:
([url]http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Bell-D190B-VTOL.jpg[/url])
Filing this one away for future project consideration...
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That last makes you think of a V-22 with ducted fans rather than prop-rotors. That could get interesting and allow for conventional landings without damaging anything. I wonder how much of the engine nacelle would carry over?
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https://youtu.be/ROJwL2suUMI
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https://youtu.be/ROJwL2suUMI
I've been kinda wondering, if they couldn't fit all the presidential kit into the EH-101 Merlin, how the heck are they going to fit it into that --- ?
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https://youtu.be/ROJwL2suUMI
I've been kinda wondering, if they couldn't fit all the presidential kit into the EH-101 Merlin, how the heck are they going to fit it into that --- ?
They aren't used to carry POTUS, support only.
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https://youtu.be/ROJwL2suUMI
I've been kinda wondering, if they couldn't fit all the presidential kit into the EH-101 Merlin, how the heck are they going to fit it into that --- ?
Well, it was more like they kept expanding the list of what had to be in the presidential kit (requirements creep is a bear to deal with unless you've got iron-clad spec. change procedures, and accompanying funding change procedures, in the contract.
I've seen the proposal for the "white top" VV-22B to carry the president and his party and they had the necessary kit only.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8892/16772835404_67da528f88_o.jpg)
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Suddenly envision a VTOL Spruce Goose after seeing that 8)
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([url]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8892/16772835404_67da528f88_o.jpg[/url])
I saw that on Daily Planet last night :) :)
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([url]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8892/16772835404_67da528f88_o.jpg[/url])
Reminds me of a Tu-95...
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https://youtu.be/ROJwL2suUMI
That is spectacular :-*
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U8WvxWMggx0/U5dTX6B-sWI/AAAAAAAAod8/lIKXZHUTk58/s1600/Edge_of_Tomorrow_Concept_art_by_Tim_Browning_012.jpg)
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Now THAT is cool! :icon_ninja:
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([url]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U8WvxWMggx0/U5dTX6B-sWI/AAAAAAAAod8/lIKXZHUTk58/s1600/Edge_of_Tomorrow_Concept_art_by_Tim_Browning_012.jpg[/url])
Now, THAT is some inspiration!
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What the two chaps above have said! 8)
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We'll pick your boat up and put it down like a baby, right where you want it. This is the First of the Ninth, Air-Cav, son. Air mobile! I can take that point and hold it just as long as I like, and you can get any place up that river that suits you, young Captain! Helll, a six-foot peak! All right!
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(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/6792600272_895f952f38_b.jpg)
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Lego^
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Sudden thought: This & a modernised version of my FSBR would make an awesome combo! :D
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interesting French one here ...
http://modelarchives.free.fr/Bestiaire/DVTOL_P/index.html (http://modelarchives.free.fr/Bestiaire/DVTOL_P/index.html)
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Anyone want to play with a T/A-37:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/T-37_zpsq2wjhcuk.jpg)
Could make for an interesting attack aircraft or perhaps a Tilt-rotor trainer...
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Something I've been thinking about. Is there a reason why all the tilt-rotors are three-bladed rather than four or more bladed? I have an idea in the back of my mind and am unsure about how many blades I should put on the rotors...
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Something I've been thinking about. Is there a reason why all the tilt-rotors are three-bladed rather than four or more bladed? I have an idea in the back of my mind and am unsure about how many blades I should put on the rotors...
Partly it's a matter of the controls you can fit into a nacelle of comfortable size (the V-22 nacelle is just packed, very little extra room) and still have robust control rods etc. Perhaps Fly by Wire may change this in the future, but for the present three seems to be pretty much optimum.
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Something I've been thinking about. Is there a reason why all the tilt-rotors are three-bladed rather than four or more bladed? I have an idea in the back of my mind and am unsure about how many blades I should put on the rotors...
Partly it's a matter of the controls you can fit into a nacelle of comfortable size (the V-22 nacelle is just packed, very little extra room) and still have robust control rods etc. Perhaps Fly by Wire may change this in the future, but for the present three seems to be pretty much optimum.
Right, thanks for that. I'll just see what 1/48 or 1/32 props I can source...
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Not a problem, I likely wouldn't have realized just how crowded it was if I hadn't had to design structure to clear rotating controls in the upper V-22 nacelle. Damn, it's packed in there.
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Deal Alert: Hasegawa 72nd osprey's for $20 at Lucky Model.
http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=HSG%2001571 (http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=HSG%2001571)
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Odd thought, Blue Angels F-35Bs supported by V-22s in "Fat Albert" markings. Not sure what scale C-130 decals would work with a 1/72 V-22, though.
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FWIW, here's the explanation of what happened to that MV-22B that crashed in Hawaii: http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/fatal-crash-prompts-marines-to-change-osprey-flight-rules/ (http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/fatal-crash-prompts-marines-to-change-osprey-flight-rules/)
The EIBF shown is the prototype "Proof of Concept" version I was involved with from mid-2011 to mid-2012. I've been involved with the production version since mid-Spetember, 2013; it's more "maintainer friendly" than either the PoC or present inlet and EAPS and it does eliminate some of the problems the earlier version had. If one was going to model it, the Hasegawa 1/72 kits are the only ones I'd recommend using as their nacelle construction would make modelling the new configuration easier. Now, when this goes forward, I hope someone does a conversion kit (I keep thinking of an Italian one with the new inlets, painted in "sand and spinach" camouflage and operating in North Africa). Oh, FWIW, the basic concept here is very similar to the "tropical" filter installed on Bf109s and MC.202s.
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I keep thinking of an Italian one with the new inlets, painted in "sand and spinach" camouflage and operating in North Africa
Oh yeah...An Italian V-22 in that scheme would look great.
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Whilst on the topic of Italian V-22s, what about a subtler one done in this scheme:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Agusta-Westland_EH-101-410_Merlin%2C_Italy_-_Navy_JP7306257.jpg)
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That might come to pass as more attention gets paid to the V-22. I understand their performance in the Nepal relief effort garnered a lot of attention from various services as has the USN's choice of a V-22 variant as the new COD aircraft.
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Well, they're getting a lot of attention in Australia right now...
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/20150713adf8517500_139_zpsztpptuky.jpg)
Though I doubt you will see any requests for purchase any time soon...
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*wry chuckle* We can hope, though. We feel we have a very good product and we are aggressively addressing the known shortcomings.
I do know that the USMC has found that the V-22 has allowed them to greatly disperse forward deployed ships without complicating logistic support, making it far more difficult for anyone to target them. It should be most interesting to see how the COD V-22s alter the USN's conops once they get used to them.
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That might come to pass as more attention gets paid to the V-22. I understand their performance in the Nepal relief effort garnered a lot of attention from various services as has the USN's choice of a V-22 variant as the new COD aircraft.
Thats to great to hear :)
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*wry chuckle* We can hope, though. We feel we have a very good product and we are aggressively addressing the known shortcomings.
I do know that the USMC has found that the V-22 has allowed them to greatly disperse forward deployed ships without complicating logistic support, making it far more difficult for anyone to target them. It should be most interesting to see how the COD V-22s alter the USN's conops once they get used to them.
Betcha they end up buying more in the end. ;)
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Well, they're getting a lot of attention in Australia right now...
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/20150713adf8517500_139_zpsztpptuky.jpg[/url])
Though I doubt you will see any requests for purchase any time soon...
I'm not a v-22 basher but that looks like some nasty oil leaks in the nacelles.
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I think you will find it is more dust. Not surprising given the environment they are operating:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image.jpg1_zpsclcsj7ck.jpg)
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Makes me laugh that there are still commentators carrying on as if the program has been an unmitigated disaster and the type is a death trap though it has been proven operationally, including in combat, since 2007. I can understand Australia being hesitant over the cost but its range and speed alone would be of great benefit for the ADF.
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I have to say, there's a Marine Corps recruiting billboard up in my city similar to this one and every time I go by it, I am struck by how "sci fi" the Osprey looks. I think it's one of the most futuristic aircraft in military service today. It looks like something out of Aliens.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8524/8457892746_6ddb6b3228_b.jpg)
Cheers,
Logan
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Early armed V-22 proposal:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nfLoRB10r9s/VIaWboB4clI/AAAAAAAABRI/LmS58UTh9js/s1600/v22%2Bnose%2Bturret2.jpg)
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Interesting Tilt-fan concept: https://www.startengine.com/startup/xti (https://www.startengine.com/startup/xti)
(https://startenginebetadev.s3.amazonaws.com/startup_campaign_image/55d2bf2773652d59247e0000/campaign_image%204_v2.png)
Promo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5tyDMMo-Ic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5tyDMMo-Ic)
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I hope fly-by-wire or fly-by-light controls for the fan pitch control etc.; trying to do all that mechanically would be a nightmare (you wouldn't believe how stuffed the V-22's upper nacelles are).
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I hope fly-by-wire or fly-by-light controls for the fan pitch control etc.; trying to do all that mechanically would be a nightmare (you wouldn't believe how stuffed the V-22's upper nacelles are).
Maybe some 'power by wire' (electro-hydrostatic) actuators to turn the ducts as well.
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Apparently this is from a new company started by one of the founders of AVX. 'Twill be interesting to see how it fares.
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(https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/247/190/large/george-tanev-update12-airunit02a.jpg?1413188523)
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Reminds me of a swooping bird of prey
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Beautiful transition shot of a CV-22B. The positioning is just right to see all four EAPS (Engine Air Particle Separator) dump doors open.
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http://youtu.be/AYhs4OFEgDw (http://youtu.be/AYhs4OFEgDw)
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Not to derail the "Oopps, I Bought Another Model" thread any further:
BLUF: I picked up the Testors 1/48 boxing of the Osprey - plenty of differences from the later Italeri kit so I had the idea to mark is as a "civilian" aircraft that is actually owned/operated by the CIA for supporting "people that aren't there, doing things they shouldn't be doing."
Just remember, the Hellfire racks have to be positioned so that you don't kill your rotor, with the nacelles in the flight, forward, position, when you fire. That effectively means they'll need to be forward, close to the cockpit, as on the armed demonstration done with the ATTR. You could put something that just drops, like drop tanks or torpedoes, aft of the rotor but not something that shoots forward. Working with the aircraft for a few years now has given me a much better appreciation for it and the restrictions the concept imposes. Also remember that any fuselage guns need to be aft or out the rear ramp to make sure you don't hit an engine nacelle. If you have any questions on the V-22, feel free to message me.
I'll definitely ask for some help/ideas for these nacelles - I'm pretty sure they don't have the "elephant ear" scoops on them...
The rough idea now regarding weapons' emplacement is that the hellfires will be mounted in covered, recessed bays on the belly, so they extend down for launch but can only be used in "helicopter mode." Same for the miniguns - they'll be mounted to retract into the fuselage at the forward door, with an additional hatch put on the opposite side, and probably one on the tail ramp for good measure.
Maybe put this one "on a stick" and have it gear up, weapons out, coming into an LZ? Then I'd need some 1/48 pilots and gunners...
Yeah, the "elephant ear" scoops are very noticeable and quite missing on a lot of kits (in 1/72, I think only Hasegawa has them). If you go with forward-firing Hellfires in under-fuselage bays, you could use them in forward flight, too. I suspect side door/hatch miniguns could only be used in helicopter mode. As an odd bit of armament, how about an MLRS "six-pack" or an equivalent sized box firing out the ramp?
I have 4 M134s coming from Live Resin, and they'll all go aboard this recently acquired V-22. I also found some Air America markings, so that's the livery she'll be wearing, probably in an aluminum or silver with blue stripes/trim paint scheme. I'm also thinking of taking a stab at making prop blur discs in place of the protors...if it's going to be on a stick, I may as well go all out, right?
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Odd thought - 1/72 Short Skyvan with the nacelles and proprotors of a 1/144 V-22.
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Odd thought - 1/72 Short Skyvan with the nacelles and proprotors of a 1/144 V-22.
Please proceed with this. ;)
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CMV-22B We have the contract and are proceeding accordingly. Definitely have to modify a MV-22B kit to this configuration and color scheme.
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Not sure if this has been posted before:
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff319/guss45/greer-osprey.jpg)
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The Esci 1/72 PV-22A kit I have has those torpedos and mounting frame
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The Esci 1/72 PV-22A kit I have has those torpedos and mounting frame
I have those parts in the spares box too and they look rather anemic when you consider the weights of the torpedoes being carried on that rack. Needs to be strengthened a bit to make it plausible.
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The Esci 1/72 PV-22A kit I have has those torpedos and mounting frame
I have those parts in the spares box too and they look rather anemic when you consider the weights of the torpedoes being carried on that rack. Needs to be strengthened a bit to make it plausible.
I have that kit, too, and I figure to obtain or clone some ESSS pylons from some MH-60's to properly carry some accurate torpedoes (Brassin does some nice ones). Really, that stores location works only for unpowered (in flight) dropped weapons or drop tanks.
For an armed MV-22B, I'm thinking of one with versions of the "moustache" weapons pylons trialed on N204TR mounted on both sides and carrying either APGW 2.75" rocket pods or 2 or 4 Hellfire racks per side; perfect for a forcible entry assault.
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MV-22B operating from HMAS Canberra...sigh...if only it was in Australian markings:
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Vido here:
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater)
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Could the smaller xv-15 be made into a plausible military aircraft?
Or is it just to small for something like asw?
Or maybe a hunter/ killer combo with apaches or little birds?
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Could the smaller xv-15 be made into a plausible military aircraft?
Or is it just to small for something like asw?
Or maybe a hunter/ killer combo with apaches or little birds?
it would take a whole new fuselage plus, most likely, a change of engines. A variant of the V280 would be just as readily available and builds on all that Bell has learned.
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A problem with mixing helicopters with V-22s is that the V-22s fly much faster than the helos in forward flight. To make it to the target at the same time the helos have to take off much earlier.
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V-22 with ASW sensor suite could get there first and vector attack helicopters in on the target. Alternatively, since torpedos are gravity-drop weapons, you might could fit a decent rack of them aft of the prop-rotor plane, somewhat like the SV-22A kit from AMT/Esci but with better racks to carry the torpedoes.
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Another random thought, could you place sonobuoy launch chutes out the bottom similar to what is on the rear of most p-3s?
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Another random thought, could you place sonobuoy launch chutes out the bottom similar to what is on the rear of most p-3s?
Actually, I'm doodling a SV-22 with a sonobuoy launcher rack replacing the standard aft ramp and supporting the winch for deploying a MAD "bomb" for tracking purposes. That, coupled with torpedo racks, a carefully extended nose for better radar, and, possibly, a dipping sonar through the bottom "hell hole" would make for a formidable aircraft. Then add the full E2E+ upgrade proposal for enhanced performance and reliability and you have something very distinctive.
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A problem with mixing helicopters with V-22s is that the V-22s fly much faster than the helos in forward flight. To make it to the target at the same time the helos have to take off much earlier.
Which works well for carrier operations, as you bring the transport helo's on deck & launch them, next come the attack helo's, then bring up the V-22's & launch them. Works much the same as a time-on-target artillery barrage.
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Another random thought, could you place sonobuoy launch chutes out the bottom similar to what is on the rear of most p-3s?
Evan will know better (so feel free to correct me) but I would possibly consider using one of the rotary sonobuoy launchers as fitted to the new P-8 and have it fire through the same hatch as used by the BAE Systems Remote Guardian weapon:
(http://media.defense.gov/2015/Jun/16/2001077458/888/591/0/150613-F-VS255-138.JPG)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/ORD_RWS_RGS_on_MV-22_Slide_lg.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/v-22%20remote%20guard2.jpg)
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Very good example of a system occupying valuable internal space
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Very good example of a system occupying valuable internal space
The commandant decided it needed a turret. So "a wild turret appears" it's true that with the Nacelles the defensive fields of fire are more limited, but the people complaining about not having a "forward turret"... neither did the phrog, and the osprey needs far less protection in the first place as it is.
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My understanding is that it did get trialed "in the sandbox" and was found to not be worth the cost in weight and volume. I could see that after access being used for a sonobuoy launcher, though, as those are gravity-drop items that wouldn't interfere with anything. My own thoughts are a dipping sonar there and sonobuoys on a replacement for the aft ramp, but that's my take on being able to use both.
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MV-22B operating from HMAS Canberra...sigh...if only it was in Australian markings:
(https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13717236_1037285222993478_7338023461225839839_o.jpg)
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(https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13692865_1037285069660160_8012615926240800489_o.jpg)
Vido here:
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater)
Not just flown from Canberra, but apparently with less drama than for the Combat Wombat
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Looks like the deck crew is lined up for the "we were there" photo! I would too!
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MV-22B operating from HMAS Canberra...sigh...if only it was in Australian markings:
(https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13717236_1037285222993478_7338023461225839839_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13724924_1037285199660147_1673752797252614241_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13692865_1037285069660160_8012615926240800489_o.jpg)
Vido here:
https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy/videos/vl.280093845715072/1370362452978451/?type=1&theater)
Anyone know the location? Looks a lot like Maui
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Well, given the event tok place during RIMPAC, it could well be.
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The new Bell Boeing VTOL "Power Wing" - just add to any load to get the ability to take off vertically...
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/uvxdgtrayiuludfhm8ib.jpg)
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Wonder if they are looking to swap one out for some reason?
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There's an MV-22 under there somewhere!
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If you look closely, you can see the fuselage underneath. At first glance though it looks like just the wing and engines.
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I was thinking Photoshop at first but yes, a wee bit of fuselage can been seen. Nicely chosen angle.
Evan: How difficult was it to get the pivot-wing mechanism to work?
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Yep! just a hint of the nose and refueling probe, but there's all the fin and rudders visible
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Evan: How difficult was it to get the pivot-wing mechanism to work?
My understanding is that the pivot-wing mechanism wasn't the biggest challenge. The nacelle underwent several redesigns in the course from EMD to the current production configuration and getting the tilting aspects correct was a challenge (both the basic mechanism and the system interfaces between nacelle and wing).
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I see the use of asuch MV-22-based ASW platform a good idea - especially its transitional speed!
Although, I think the MV-22 in its present form is too large, heavy, and complex!
I would have liked to have seen a XV-15 derivative in the ASW role!
M.A.D
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By the time you grow the XV-15 to add personnel for the mission and mission equipment, you'd probably be getting close to V-22 size. V-22 is no more mechanically complex than the XV-15 (I've seen details on both). I'm thinking of an ASW CMV-22B derivative with a MAD bomb deployable from the rear ramp, or its replacement, sonobuoy chutes on an assembly that replaces the lower ramp, a dipping sonar option through the hell-hole hatch in the center of the cabin, and a couple lightweight air-launched torpedoes on streamlined external racks (similar to the ESSS pylons and racks on the UH-60) back near the main gear (you could carry torpedoes back there because they are gravity-drop weapons, not propelled forward weapons that would interfere with the prop-rotor arc.
If I can find some 1/72 ESSS pylons and racks, I've got most of the rest of what I need to do this in 1/72.
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Thinking of self-propelled weapons that fire forewards, could the wing span be increased slightly, to put the propeller arcs further out?
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Thinking of self-propelled weapons that fire forewards, could the wing span be increased slightly, to put the propeller arcs further out?
Not easily, as longer wings would need to be fully tested and recertified. Too, that would somewhat increase the logistics "tail" for the aircraft. The addition of extra wing fuel tanks for the CMV-22B is an interesting enough effort. I rather suspect that forward firing weapons will be on "moustache" pylons, much like what was trialed on N204TR, but on both sides. Gravity drop weapons I could see aft of the prop-rotor arc but only those (save for any automatic weapons you may have firing off the ramp).
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Thinking of self-propelled weapons that fire forewards, could the wing span be increased slightly, to put the propeller arcs further out?
Not easily, as longer wings would need to be fully tested and recertified. Too, that would somewhat increase the logistics "tail" for the aircraft. The addition of extra wing fuel tanks for the CMV-22B is an interesting enough effort. I rather suspect that forward firing weapons will be on "moustache" pylons, much like what was trialed on N204TR, but on both sides. Gravity drop weapons I could see aft of the prop-rotor arc but only those (save for any automatic weapons you may have firing off the ramp).
I can see another option - low hanging pylons on the fuselage sides. To put the weapons firing trajectory just outside the rotor arc.
I can see there would be a need for recertification/etc. for longer wings but agree that would be a lot of effort - perhaps for a JV-22C?
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I see the use of asuch MV-22-based ASW platform a good idea - especially its transitional speed!
Although, I think the MV-22 in its present form is too large, heavy, and complex!
I would have liked to have seen a XV-15 derivative in the ASW role!
M.A.D
BA609:
(http://barrieaircraft.com/images/bell-agusta-ba-609-03.jpg)
(http://aeroglob.org/articole/35/1.jpg)
The problem is its not foldy. MV-22s can get really small on deck, this was never built to be on a ship so you run into the same issue that Evan mentioned. By the time you make it shipboard ready, its going to get bigger so it can get smaller ironically.
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Thinking of self-propelled weapons that fire forewards, could the wing span be increased slightly, to put the propeller arcs further out?
Not easily, as longer wings would need to be fully tested and recertified. Too, that would somewhat increase the logistics "tail" for the aircraft. The addition of extra wing fuel tanks for the CMV-22B is an interesting enough effort. I rather suspect that forward firing weapons will be on "moustache" pylons, much like what was trialed on N204TR, but on both sides. Gravity drop weapons I could see aft of the prop-rotor arc but only those (save for any automatic weapons you may have firing off the ramp).
I can see another option - low hanging pylons on the fuselage sides. To put the weapons firing trajectory just outside the rotor arc.
I can see there would be a need for recertification/etc. for longer wings but agree that would be a lot of effort - perhaps for a JV-22C?
Low hanging pylons run the risk of the stores impacting the ground as well as airflow problems over the airframe with those.
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From what we're hearing back after the assistance in Nepal, we may eventually see some V-22 variant in Indian service.
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BA609:
([url]http://barrieaircraft.com/images/bell-agusta-ba-609-03.jpg[/url])
([url]http://aeroglob.org/articole/35/1.jpg[/url])
These make me want to find a Lear or similar jet in 1/48 to mate with a 1/72 V-22 for version 2 of my gunship/escort...also need to add another 1/48 V-22 to the stash to rebuild my AV-22.
My solution for weapons carriage in this next iteration would be an internal rotary bomb bay/rack system to fire down the centerline of the fuselage.
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(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/agusta-westland-aw609-tilt-rotor-aircraft-is-the-civilian-cousin-of-the-v-22-osprey-video-95534_1.jpg)
Darn, didn't even find the coolest picture to post
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Bell V-280 prototype in progress shot
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Darn, didn't even find the coolest picture to post
Oh, now THAT is sexy.
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Four MV-22 Ospreys with Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 261 follow a KC-130J with Detachment A, Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 352, from Helmand province, Afghanistan, to the USS Iwo Jima in the Arabian Sea, on September 6, 2012.
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Concept tilt rotor by Stephan Chang
http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/gamerculture/starwars/stephen-chang/StephenChang-1214-610.jpg (http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/gamerculture/starwars/stephen-chang/StephenChang-1214-610.jpg)
Click here for front view (couldn't get the pic to work) :-\
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Fictional artwork only or is it a real project?
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Pure fiction. Its a Star Wars concept artist just free thinking. :) looks damn nice though :-*
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Took a long time to get the V-22 to work right but it seems to be working out well for the Marines. Marines should pick up the A-10s the USAF doesn't want anymore and use them for Osprey escorts.
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Took a long time to get the V-22 to work right but it seems to be working out well for the Marines. Marines should pick up the A-10s the USAF doesn't want anymore and use them for Osprey escorts.
They are getting more work than they know what to do with:
"Next in line for readiness recovery is the V-22 Osprey – which reached initial operational capability only nine years ago but is “the most in-demand airplane in the world, and we’re loving it to death.”
Davis said this fleet has been operating at surge capacity since it was fielded and shows no sign of slowing down. Readiness has degraded because the tiltrotors are being used faster than ready forces can be generated. In theory, for every V-22 squadron deployed in a Marine Expeditionary Unit, one is just getting home and another is training to go out next. With three MEUs out at any given time, the Marines would need nine squadrons to sustain this 1:2 deployment-to-dwell ratio.
However, the V-22s are now also used in land-based Special Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Forces (MAGTFs) in U.S. Central Command and U.S. Africa Command – meaning five squadrons are deployed and 15 would be needed to sustain.
“I’ve got 14. For a long time I had 13,” Davis said.
“So what that means is, we were moving maintainers from unit to unit to unit. Our [deployment] tempo is 1:2, or less than 1:2 in V-22. Going aboard the ship, going to Special Purpose MAGTF, basically we have no breathing space for our pilots or our maintainers in V-22. We have been at surge since 2007. … The airplane’s been incredible, just been incredible, but we’re basically outstripping our ability… to sustain it with spare parts and train the maintainers.”
The deployment tempo has not only taken its toll on the planes themselves, but also the personnel. There are no V-22 captains at the Expeditionary Warfare School and none serving as forward air controllers – both great career advancement opportunities – because they’re so busy operating at a surge rate.
The Defense Secretary recently approved a decision to cut the number of V-22s in the Special Purpose MAGTF- Africa from 12 to six, as well as cutting the number of C-130Js from four to two, giving the Marines a little more capacity for proper training at home.
“They’re still standing up squadrons and trying to make a move to Hawaii and everything else,” Davis said of the V-22 community.
“So we’re going to pull back a little bit from our overseas commitment in order to plus-up our training base and basically give us some breathing room.”
Any emerging requirements that can’t be met by the half-sized Osprey squadron in the Special Purpose MAGTF would be taken on by the nearest MEU, he said.
The service is still developing its V-22 readiness recovery plan now and will implement changes as needed, Davis said, but he’s optimistic that a slower operational tempo will help. Marine Helicopter Squadron (HMX) 1, the presidential helicopter squadron, is prioritized for obvious reasons. It has a stable base of maintainers with a stable workload, and it gets all the spare parts it needs in a timely fashion. As a result, HMX-1 had a 94 percent readiness rate over the last six months and only a 2.6 percent not mission capable- supply rate – a tenth of what the rest of the V-22 fleet saw – showing that the planes work just fine when properly cared for."
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A-10s were offered and rejected by the marines in the early 90s same story with the army. Army citing costs, Marines that it can't be ship based.
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Good to hear the V-22 is in demand.
I was half joking about the A-10s but the Marines need an escort that flies faster than their Cobras and can stick around longer than a jet. That pretty much leaves A-10s or a gunship V-22. I hope the Air afore and the Marines are supporting each other in the 'Stan.
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why buy the cow(hog) when you are getting the milk free?
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a gunship V-22.
I seem to remember a very nice rendition of that either here or at What If...
...not to mention the upcoming Bell V-280 Valor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_V-280_Valor).
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Speaking of Tiltrotor escorts:
(http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=109352&stc=1&d=1136408538)(http://www.aviastar.org/foto/bell_bat_1.jpg)
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/v-22-escort-image39.jpg)
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Without going into classified details, I can say that the Bell-Boeing team has multiple initiatives in place to improve readiness and performance.
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([url]http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/agusta-westland-aw609-tilt-rotor-aircraft-is-the-civilian-cousin-of-the-v-22-osprey-video-95534_1.jpg[/url])
Darn, didn't even find the coolest picture to post
Oh, now THAT is sexy.
There needs to be a kit of this!!
Think of the whiff possibilities!!
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I'm sure Italeri will do it at some point if it gets into proper production. They have to!
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(http://generalsjoes.com/images/reviews/2011/renegades_30th/vehicles/black_dragon_preprod/black_dragon-03.jpg)
Gi joe Renegades Black Dragon
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Dynavert video on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCd2FqTJKs0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCd2FqTJKs0)
Skip to 5 mins to see the minigun trials
***Edit to fix the embed code link since the formatting was not working. Should be all better now :P jjf
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Just recalled, when reading some revitalised anti F-35 trash, that the MV-22 used to be in the same boat and that even now after being in service for years, exceeding user expectations and transforming what the USMC can do and how they do it, there are still people calling it a death trap and demanding the projects cancellation.
It strikes me that an unfortunate number of uninformed people are not only unaware that they are uninformed and way off mark but that they are actually exhibiting signs of being delusional. Perhaps this explains what is wrong with the world today, too many delusional people?
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I suspect many are right up there with the tinfoil hat crowd.
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***Edit to fix the embed code link since the formatting was not working. Should be all better now :P jjf
Cheers! Here's a still showing it hosing down a target from a hover:
(http://c4.staticflickr.com/1/687/31061734283_5ee75ec3f9_b.jpg)
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(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2010/skybolt/skybolt_06.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2010/skybolt/skybolt_05.jpg)
(https://gocdkeys.com/images/captures/cachebg/arma-3-apex-pc-cd-key-2.jpg?s=video_bg)
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Found this while searching on "V-22 Gunship".
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/par429/Tiltrotor/decals4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/par429/Tiltrotor/final3.jpg)
Looks like a Mu-2 is hiding in there somewhere. Evan?
More images here: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/par429/media/Tiltrotor/final2a.jpg.html (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/par429/media/Tiltrotor/final2a.jpg.html)
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Boy does that look good! Makes me want to build one!
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Found this while searching on "V-22 Gunship".
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/par429/Tiltrotor/decals4.jpg[/url])
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/par429/Tiltrotor/final3.jpg[/url])
Looks like a Mu-2 is hiding in there somewhere. Evan?
More images here: [url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/par429/media/Tiltrotor/final2a.jpg.html[/url] ([url]http://smg.photobucket.com/user/par429/media/Tiltrotor/final2a.jpg.html[/url])
Yes, definitely, the long-bodied MU-2 at that (Hasegawa MU-2J kit). That outrigger gear is unfeasible, though, the temperature environment in that area is extreme.
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Some good ideas there. I like the nose mounted gun and I think those were Hellfire missiles.
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Wicked! :)
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b7/c0/a3/b7c0a3a12025762b5e56ac86241cbe21.jpg)
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Impressive QTR (Quad Tilt-Rotor) variant!! I hope that weapons wing is far enough aft of the forward nacelles that exhaust gas impingement isn't a problem; hate to see that damage the wing or cook-off weaponry.
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Silly Week 2017 on ARC http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal15/14101-14200/gal14197-VTOL-Kuyper/00.shtm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal15/14101-14200/gal14197-VTOL-Kuyper/00.shtm)
(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal15/14101-14200/gal14197-VTOL-Kuyper/01.jpg)
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That's a beauty :-*
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Kees Kuyper always builds cool kits.
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I like.
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(http://www.rotaryaction.com/images/ghostshel2.jpg)
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QTR found on FB from show in Eastern Canada
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There are a few pages to wade through so apologies if this has been posted, found - of all places - on PPruNe: a 1968 Westland concept for a passenger tiltrotor. I rather like it.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dw2q_bLHrvI/Tmn9-oIJ8uI/AAAAAAAAE3g/I6Mbp_6hXWk/Westland%252520Civil%252520Tilt%252520Rotor%2525201968.jpg)
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QTR found on FB from show in Eastern Canada
My only gripe is that the rear engines are directly in line with the forward ones and uniquely placed to ingest the exhausts of the forward engines with all the problems that entails.
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(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/20170427_AVX_MV-22E_FVL_zpsqilyzzrz.jpg)
http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/avx-pitches-attack-mv-22e-marine-escort-role (http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/avx-pitches-attack-mv-22e-marine-escort-role)
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New attack variant fuselage to replace the cargo one Boeing-Philadelphia builds might work. I'm not sure you could sell it up the chain of command, though.
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([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/20170427_AVX_MV-22E_FVL_zpsqilyzzrz.jpg[/url])
[url]http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/avx-pitches-attack-mv-22e-marine-escort-role[/url] ([url]http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/avx-pitches-attack-mv-22e-marine-escort-role[/url])
I'm thinking something like a 1/48th Attack Helo front fuselage grafted on to a 72nd MV
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Odd thought, consider using the cockpit from a Hind-A on a MV-22B, both in 1/72.
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Another Westland Tiltrotor:
(https://yooniqimages.blob.core.windows.net/yooniqimages-data-storage-resizedimagefilerepository/Detail/21632/6da55b81-ee32-4ce3-ab37-5f206f798d21/YooniqImages_216320488.jpg)
Source (https://yooniqimages.com/images/detail/216320488/Creative/westland-we-01-short-range-tilt-rotor-concept)
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Anyone ever consider an MV-22 with a seaplane hull? Not practical but might look cool.
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Anyone ever consider an MV-22 with a seaplane hull? Not practical but might look cool.
Yeah, it would likely look cool, but as close to the ground as the exhausts of a standard MV-22 get, I suspect you'd really be boiling water with a seaplane, if not immersing the exhausts in water.
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Anyone ever consider an MV-22 with a seaplane hull? Not practical but might look cool.
Yeah, it would likely look cool, but as close to the ground as the exhausts of a standard MV-22 get, I suspect you'd really be boiling water with a seaplane, if not immersing the exhausts in water.
Deepen the hull (and reshape it), add floats with deflectors to the wings and it should float high enough not to submerge the exhausts.
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Yeah, that might be possible, though it would definite require some major wing redesign, too, to properly anchor those floats to structure (not impossible, but challenging). The other approach would be to rewing the aircraft with new wings and engine installations more like the V280's where only the prop-rotors and immediate transmissions rotate; that would get your exhausts out of the water. In that case, you might want to widen the main landing gear sponsons to provide better stability in the water.
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Yeah, that might be possible, though it would definite require some major wing redesign, too, to properly anchor those floats to structure (not impossible, but challenging). The other approach would be to rewing the aircraft with new wings and engine installations more like the V280's where only the prop-rotors and immediate transmissions rotate; that would get your exhausts out of the water. In that case, you might want to widen the main landing gear sponsons to provide better stability in the water.
What about like this
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A V-22 done that way might work. You would need to be careful, though, to keep the floats out of the areas swept by the prop-rotors.
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Or just tilt the rotors, rather than the engines and rotors.
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-3SDHBwN/0/13eaa921/O/CTR7500_03.png)
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-7HKdT4D/0/fa05dec7/O/D246A_01.png)
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-nqN4sp3/0/ee3fbd3a/O/CTR7500_01.png)
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Bell tilt rotor style ???
http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2015/02/webbell_v-280-3-24x16-fast-rope.jpg (http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2015/02/webbell_v-280-3-24x16-fast-rope.jpg)
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Well, yeah as those are all Bell concepts. ;D
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Bell tilt rotor style ???
[url]http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2015/02/webbell_v-280-3-24x16-fast-rope.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2015/02/webbell_v-280-3-24x16-fast-rope.jpg[/url])
I believe that's the V280, like the V280-style redesign I suggested on Monday for adding amphibious capability.
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A V-22 done that way might work. You would need to be careful, though, to keep the floats out of the areas swept by the prop-rotors.
If they were located under the wings and didn't project fore and aft of the wing, it would work IMO.
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A V-22 done that way might work. You would need to be careful, though, to keep the floats out of the areas swept by the prop-rotors.
If they were located under the wings and didn't project fore and aft of the wing, it would work IMO.
Yeah, but you are going to need them projecting forward for balance when floating (a matter of stability when at rest); be far easier to set them far enough down to be fully out of the prop-rotors' arcs under the most severe external environments.
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Use the Ursinus Fighter or Blackburn B-20 solution. ;)
(http://hud607.fire.prohosting.com/uncommon/aircraft/ursinus/ursinus_03.jpg)
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/359/254/large_000000.jpg)
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/Additions/11895L-1.jpg)
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Carl - an idea for the Falcon 10 kit... perhaps a 72nd Osprey could be scale bashed?
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/ba609-tiltrotor-3d-model/448892 (https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/ba609-tiltrotor-3d-model/448892)
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Kees Kupyer has struck again! This time by creating a Twin Otter Tilt-Rotor:
(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal15/14601-14700/gal14630-Otter-Kuyper/03t.jpg) (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal15/14601-14700/gal14630-Otter-Kuyper/00.shtm)
(Image source: ARC Silly Week 2018 > 1/72 Revell VTOL Otter by Kees Kupyer (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal15/14601-14700/gal14630-Otter-Kuyper/00.shtm))
Click on the thumbnail image to visit the article and to view the larger images that Kees has shared.
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How about a kit bashing between the V-22 Osprey and the Grumman Albatross?
Albatross fuselage sans wing mated to the entire wing assembly of the V-22 Osprey to create a tilt-rotor amphibian. The wing mounted floats from the Albatross will need to be located on the Osprey wing somewhere near the engines I suspect. Reality check about suitability for actual flight to be ignored.
1:72nd scale Revell (former Monogram) SA-16 Albatross kit with the aforementioned parts from the HobbyCraft, Italeri, ESCI, or Hasegawa V-22 kits, depending on your ability to afford this project.
1:144th scale now has a V-22 kit but I am not aware of any Albatross in this scale.
1;48th scale Trumpeter Albatross and of course the Testors'/Italeri V-22 kit if you really want to spend some money.
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A-Model do a series of 1/144 scale HU-16 Albatrosses.
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I would probably go with moving the floats to sponsons off the fuselage rather than leaving them on the wing. Something you would need to be careful of is how far the aircraft sits in the water so that the exhausts don't get submerged while floating (as an alternative, modifiy the IRS so that the exhaust is redirected out the side with blocker panels and similar moving pieces, similar to the thrust reverser set-ups on several airliner nacelles - a few scribed lines could indicate this on the model).
Given that the V-22 wing and center section is manufactured as one large assembly, attaching it to the top of the Albatross would take some careful plastic surgery but is doable.
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You could also go the Tilt wing way:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Kaman_K-16B_with_wing_tilted.jpg)
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In an effort to create a topic on the V-22 Osprey I have taken the liberty of making Carl's (TheBigGimper) post to this topic the OP for the new discussion topic to be focused solely on the V-22 Osprey Tilt-Rotor and the variations of that airframe that are now in production and service.
New topic is at this link: V-22 Osprey Tilt-Rotor (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7999.0)
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Just a couple of cell phone photos of something I saw at Modern Day Marine Expo today:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1933/44027160915_2f54f5c4a7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a5wH4i)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1920/44939429931_ed5a0712f0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bt9jRr)
I figured this crowd would appreciate the inspiration.
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So it can only fire the missles from a hover position?
Or maybe it drops out hem and then it flies forward?
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So it can only fire the missles from a hover position?
Something I was trying to overcome with my AV-22 project
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Interrupter gear on the props
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Folks, you don't have to choose between fully horizontal, or fully vertical
rotors.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/V-22_Osprey_tiltrotor_aircraft.jpg/1200px-V-22_Osprey_tiltrotor_aircraft.jpg)
Rotors at an angle that allows forward firing of weapons wouldn't be hard to accomplish.
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There would have to be some sort in of safety lock to prevent from firing until the rotors were at least the right angle. Not a problem in whiff world.
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It would definitely require a redesigned wing. The present wing is a very large fuel tank and would need new structure and wiring provisions to add pylons like that, particularly when you consider that the present wing skins are fairly large bonded structural pieces.
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There would have to be some sort in of safety lock to prevent from firing util the rotors were at least the right angle. Not a problem in whiff world.
It wouldn’t be a problem in the real world. ;D
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You would only get to screw that up once!
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You would only get to screw that up once!
It wouldn’t be something the crew could override, it’d be built-in, hardware
and software. Really not that big a deal all it takes is enough need to make
the business case to spend the $$$$.
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Late one night a CH-47 seduced a young and naive V-22...
(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/1-7_zpsfdhhetuk.png)
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Late one night a CH-47 seduced a young and naive V-22...
(https://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/1-7_zpsfdhhetuk.png)
Looks like a development of their proposed, and losing, XV-15 design. It would make sense.
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One I believe was posted earlier but dropped off somewhere:
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_01.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_02.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_04.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_05.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_06.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_07.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_08.jpg)
(http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2015/tom_alfaro/tom_alfaro_10.jpg)
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Sh!t, I've never seen that one before Greg. Who's actually proposing something like that then ?
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Plus it can mow your lawn :smiley:
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Plus it can mow your lawn :smiley:
And trim your hair or your troublesome feet problems...
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Looks like a radical development inspired by Grumman's "Nutcracker" concept for the VSTOL-A program.
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The mechanical engineering would be very challenging to make it all work and remain light weight.
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It's a fictional creation guys. Still... ;)
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I remember seeing one or two of these, but its really neat to see all the iterations and concepts explained :smiley:
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Jason (jalles) on the What-If Forum is building a V-44, in 3D printed/vacuform
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I like this alot.
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Very nice. That looks gorgeous so far.
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Even the In-progress is looking great. Who are these aliens who build so nicely and in the midst of clean work benches? ???
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Even the In-progress is looking great. Who are these aliens who build so nicely and in the midst of clean work benches? ???
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/84381210/thats-the-alternative-workbench.jpg)
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Does anyone know of a kit of the Bell Eagle Eye (see below) other than the 1/72 Unicraft one? I would really like one in either 1/48 or 1/35.
(https://fas.org/irp/program/collect/TRUSground1.jpg)
(http://stargazer2006.online.fr/unmanned/thumbs/eagleeyeanim.gif)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLL7aeMWsAAeYcm.jpg)
(http://fantastic-plastic.com/uploads/3/5/5/3/35539432/3311549_orig.jpg)
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Eagle Eye looks super :smiley:
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From YouTube: kit review video of the new HobbyBoss V-22 Osprey kit by florymodels (https://youtu.be/2xSVSXf8soI)
***In an effort to create a topic on the V-22 Osprey I have taken the liberty of making Carl's (TheBigGimper) post to this topic the OP for the new discussion topic to be focused solely on the V-22 Osprey Tilt-Rotor and the variations of that airframe that are now in production and service.
New topic is at this link: V-22 Osprey Tilt-Rotor (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7999.0)***
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The company claims its High-Speed Vertical Take-Off and Landing aircraft could blend “the hover capability of a helicopter with the speed, range and survivability features of a fighter aircraft”. Such as system would be capable of “low-downwash hover” and “jet-like cruise speeds over 400kt [740km/h]”, the manufacturer says.
https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/bell-unveils-three-high-speed-vertical-take-off-and-landing-design-concepts/144891.article (https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopters/bell-unveils-three-high-speed-vertical-take-off-and-landing-design-concepts/144891.article)