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Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« on: October 06, 2021, 04:43:01 AM »

Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'


Okay, like a lot of my Builds, this one's been planned for quite a while, and waiting for an opportunity to build it, so here we are . . .


The major problem the Soviets found with their aerosani was that they could only be used when the lakes and rivers were frozen, and snow was present on the ground. Although the Soviets also had aeroglisseri, aero engine powered speedboats for use when the rivers and lakes were ice-free, they couldn't be used in winter, or on land. Further neither type could be used during the rasputitsa, or spring thaw, when the water was liquid, but not ice free, and the snow had thawed, and the ground was just mud. What was needed was a single type of craft that could operate in all these conditions.
The answer, when it came, was simplicity itself. Starting with a damaged NKL-16 transport aerosan, it's skis were removed and replaced with a pair of floats from a scrapped Junkers airliner, dating from the time of pre-war Russo-German pact. The ski equipped aerosan steered by pivoting it's skis, which was impossible with the floats attached, so the linkages were re-arranged to operate a rudder mounted in the propeller's slipstream. As the floats were all metal, no reinforcement was needed to allow them to run over snow and ice.
The modified NKL-16M proved highly effective, and orders were issued to convert all aerosani to this new configuration, which the Soviets called a Hydrosan. In addition, all further aerosani were to be built as Hydrosani. Fortunately, the drawing for the Junkers type floats still existed, enabling them to be put back into production, and for the lighter aerosan types, smaller existing wooden floats could be used, suitably reinforced with metal keel plates for running over ice.
The NKL-16M is probably most famous for it's use during the siege of Leningrad, when it was used as a high-speed* courier, on Lake Ladoga, both during the winter on the ice road 'Road of Life', and in the summer when the lake had thawed.


*relatively speaking; the NKL-16M was capable of 40 mph on open water and smooth snow and ice, less on mud and ice containing water.


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2021, 10:28:07 PM »

Okay . . .
Made a start on this one.
First up, the parts for the floats. Depending on the boxing, the 1/72 Revell Junkers F-13 contains the parts to build a floatplane version,





and the floats complete. I've also filled the existing mounting holes, these will not be needed.





The vehicle proper will be based on the 1/72 ACE NKL-16/41 aerosan kit. The box,





and the parts for the body/hull/fuselage . . .





and assembled. The fits aren't perfect, so there's some filling to be done, and some detail parts to attach to complete this part . . .





That' All For Now, Stay Tuned . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2021, 11:21:33 PM »
I'm liking where this is going. 

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 12:55:45 AM »
Nifty concept, and it is always nice to see braille scale armor getting some attention. ;) The only suggestion I would offer would be to make the sled a twin engine. The extra weight of the floats might not seem like much, but I suspect it would have been underpowered with the single radial.

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2021, 01:31:47 AM »
The Soviet aerosans were interesting concepts; I didn't know there were 1/72 scale kits; I have the Trumpeter 1/35 kits.

I agree with Craig - Twin engines would look good!

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2021, 05:06:26 AM »
Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately I don't have a suitable pair of matching engines, or propellers. I would also need to design and make a complete new engine mount. In addition, side by side engines would mean that the float track would need to be widened, and tandem engines would be . . . a mess.
As for an in-universe reason, the idea is that the Hydrosan is a minimum-change variant of the aerosan . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2021, 07:17:58 AM »
Very interesting concept

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2021, 08:03:24 AM »
The fully amphibious Arctic Airboat Pro 560 pontoon hydrosan/aerosan only has one
engine. The weight of the floats wouldn't really be much of an issue for the engine
while on the water as you're floating on it and there's less drag than pushing across
snow or ice on skis.

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2021, 02:35:44 AM »
For some reason the idea of one of these done as a school bus just popped into my head…
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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2021, 04:25:10 AM »
Okay . . .
A little progress today. Got the bad joints filled and smoothed, attached the front fuel tank, which really changes the appearance of the vehicle; looks like a hippo to me, and added the 'suspension'. Next up, the engine and it's mounting . . .





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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2021, 04:28:13 AM »
The fully amphibious Arctic Airboat Pro 560 pontoon hydrosan/aerosan only has one
engine. The weight of the floats wouldn't really be much of an issue for the engine
while on the water as you're floating on it and there's less drag than pushing across
snow or ice on skis.


When I first came up with the idea for this build, I didn't know that these things existed, so my Whif was going to operate on water only. It was only when i decided to start the Build that I found out about them, and added the over ice capability . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2021, 06:49:10 AM »
At least you are doing something. Proceeding nicely

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2021, 10:20:29 AM »
Real could have been.  Ideal for shallow water ops.  :smiley:

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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2021, 06:02:21 AM »

Okay . . .
Hippo's got her hooves on !   ;D





I've added the brackets that normally attach the skis, on this model they'll attach to the floats. I've also assembled and fitted the engine mount, there are no less than NINE parts in that little thing, and struts ! . . . I hate 'em . . .   :icon_twisted:


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2021, 06:07:16 AM »
Real could have been.  Ideal for shallow water ops.  :smiley:


Exactly ! Able to use the shallows and marshy areas, where the full-draught enemy patrol boats can't follow . . . basically an airboat before airboats were invented.


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2021, 07:17:34 AM »
Real could have been.  Ideal for shallow water ops.  :smiley:


Exactly ! Able to use the shallows and marshy areas, where the full-draught enemy patrol boats can't follow . . . basically an airboat before airboats were invented.


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2021, 05:17:29 PM »
Gallery of Ka-30 aerosan photos, it could be mounted on floats:
http://army.lv/ru/Fotografii/Grazhdanskaya-tehnika/Raznoe/Aerosani/Ka-30/2401

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2021, 01:34:57 AM »
That looks like a VW bus on floats...

Robin - the NKL-26 Aerosan had a version with wheels, so adding floats seems reasonable.

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2021, 02:26:55 AM »
That looks like a VW bus on floats...

Sure does !

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2021, 03:37:47 AM »
Real could have been.  Ideal for shallow water ops.  :smiley:


Exactly ! Able to use the shallows and marshy areas, where the full-draught enemy patrol boats can't follow . . . basically an airboat before airboats were invented.


cheers,
Robin.

“Airboats” have been around since the early 20th century, the familiar American swampboat type dating to the early 1930s.



Well, you learn something new every day !   :D
Thanks for the feedback, Gents, here's today's progress.

I decided on a single rear mounted 'airboat' type rudder, that way I could use the extra part that comes with the Junkers F-13 . . .





and after removing the fin and cutting the rudder to size.





Lastly, I added a pivot from some runner.





I also added the mounting brackets to the floats. If you look carefully, you can see where I've moved them once . . .   :o





Finally, a dry fit to see where we are . . .







That's All For Now, Stay Tuned . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2021, 09:57:08 AM »
Aren't the pointy bits supposed to go forwards?

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2021, 01:38:06 PM »
Aren't the pointy bits supposed to go forwards?

Only if you don't want to move forward, put the pointy bit forward and the step becomes
a dam.
 ;D

Junkers earlier floats were very similar to the Hansa-Brandenburg metal float, a blunt nose,
a single step quite far aft and a tapered rear body. The shape would actually be not half bad
for transitioning from water to ice to snow and back.
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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2021, 05:08:12 PM »
Thanks, jcf . . .   :smiley:
You can see the step here :-





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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2021, 11:51:30 PM »

Okay . . .
So, having made a rudder, I was having problems with figuring out how to mount it, without having lots of fiddly work and more struts . . .  After some thought, and also remembering what was in the Spares Box, I decided to redesign things with twin fins and rudders, mounted on a frame attached to the rear of the vehicle's body.
Into the 'Box of Spare Wings'TM for a suitable part . . .





cut into two and trimmed to shape.





From the spares box a suitable frame, an old piece of truck chassis . . .





A dry fit showed that attaching the fins direct to the frame left them too low, so i added some struts (yes, I know . . .   :-[  ) to raise them up somewhat.





and finally, attached to the frame.





That's All For Now, Stay tuned . . .


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Robin.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2021, 11:53:15 PM by robunos »
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2021, 02:09:30 AM »

Okay . . .
Got a bit behind with documenting this Build, but here's where we are so far.
The body/hull/fuselage of the Hydrosan is now complete, apart from the detail parts. I've added a piece of plastic card to the tail frame, this represents a piece of thin metal sheet, or 'shpon' plywood, and is there to protect the propeller from spray.





The floats have also been completed.





I've had to mount the fins a little farther aft, to provide clearance for the engine and propeller, so the floats will also have to be moved aft a bit as well. Since I'm not sure exactly how much, I replaced the four separate brackets with two long, continuous ones . . .
Now, it's off to the paint shop . . .


That's All For Now, Stay tuned . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2021, 09:42:34 AM »
Looking good ... and love the twin fins  :smiley: :smiley:
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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2021, 05:29:24 AM »
Yes, they've come out better than the original idea I had, trouble is, now I want to put rotors on . . .   :o


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2021, 11:26:39 PM »
Coming along quite nicely.  Some excellent design modification engineering, too.

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2021, 05:10:34 AM »
I like it as well

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2021, 05:31:14 AM »

Thanks, Gents . . .   :-[   :smiley:
Here the model with the basecoat painted.





I've gone for a 'Maritime Grey', as a change from winter white, as the model is depicted as operating on Lake Ladoga during the Summer, as also as a backdrop for the markings i will be using . . .   ;)
The floats will be silver, to represent the natural metal, I'm assuming for this Build that the Soviets know how to manufacture 'Alclad' metal . . .
That's All For Now, Stay tuned . . .




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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2021, 06:17:31 AM »
... I've gone for a 'Maritime Grey'... as the model is depicted as operating on Lake Ladoga during the Summer...

So, 'Mosquito Pattern' disruptive scheme to be added over top of the 'Maritime Grey'?
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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2021, 05:06:15 AM »
A bit more off the wall than that . . .   ;)


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2021, 06:12:21 AM »

NKL-16M Hydrosan, Lake Ladoga, 1941



































The model shows one of the dozen or so NKL-16Ms with Red Cross markings, ostensibly for humanitarian missions (serious casualties out, medical supplies and personnel in). However the beseigeing Germans suspected that these vehicles were actually being used as couriers for intelligence, orders, and VIPs. The Soviets of course, denied this emphatically.
Local commanders requested that Berlin make 'enquiries' through Red Cross channels to ascertain exactly what was going on. However the OKH decided against this, for fear of turning the spotlight on their own 'indiscretions', regarding the Red Cross . . . it is likely that the truth will never now see the light of day . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2021, 07:26:02 AM »

good use of floats !  :smiley:


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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2021, 08:01:30 PM »
Quirky and looks absolutely right, the spare prop stowage is a nice touch  :smiley: :smiley:

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2021, 02:36:58 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2021, 04:53:51 AM »
Really nice work and totally plausible

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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2021, 05:39:26 AM »
Thanks, all . . . the spare prop actually comes with the kit OOB, you also get a spare ski, to put on the roof, if you build it as intended.
What my model really needs is an anchor . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2021, 09:44:45 AM »
 Oh, that came out beautifully. Good backstory, too.

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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2021, 07:01:42 AM »
 :smiley:

Very nice.

So if it was captured by the Germans and kept in the ambulance role would it be
a Hydrosanitätswagen.
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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2021, 07:18:28 AM »
Thanks, all . . . the spare prop actually comes with the kit OOB, you also get a spare ski, to put on the roof, if you build it as intended.
What my model really needs is an anchor . . .


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Re: Soviet NKL-16M 'Hydrosan'
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2021, 07:18:58 AM »
 :smiley:     ;D




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