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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2012, 10:05:32 PM »
If you really wanted a simple adaptation, how about a probe assembly that's fixed to the airframe and fits into the existing boom connection?

Not necessarily simple Evan, just something that will retracted in the space available and be visible to the pilot when extended.  And of course Western derived --
 
Most of the 'bolt-on' probes always look to me like the designers and engineers forgot something, or (as more likely the case) it wasn't a requirement when the aircraft was designed, then after it was like, 'err! we can't go anywhere without one'.

Much in case was the original Harrier probe, then they got a bit clever with the second adaption.  The Lightning probe though was totally 'hind-sight' to me and looks quite ugly.

My AV-19 would be third generation (maybe forth) so I think the bolt-on or just stick-out probe would be a thing of the past.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2012, 02:23:59 AM »
Don't ignore or overlook the refueling probe attached to a fuel tank.  There are several variations on that theme including one that has a telescoping probe that is stowed in the fuel tank when not in use.  I downloaded a couple of images of one that was based on the fuel tank used on the F-16.


That would be this one:





I did consider, but it isn't as elegant as a aircraft mounted probe.


I was just thinking (ow, ow, ow!):  One could potentially adapt this type of setup (see above) into the F-15's FAST packs:

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2012, 04:06:24 AM »
What about this sort of solution?

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I'd think you could just modify the existing F-15 IFR hatch to hinge to the side and install the telescoping tube into the existing fuel receptacle.

I think there'd be the room for it and it looks a whole lote more elegant than that fuel tank mounted idea to me.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2012, 04:10:29 AM »
That is certainly elegant. 
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2012, 04:57:09 AM »
Looks realistic.  Not out of place.  :)

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2012, 01:43:52 PM »
I could see both systems for your AV-19, since it's a new design and you want to see to as many customers as possible (theoretically, you could do a dual system version of the F-35A with very little difficulty as the probe bay area is left empty on the current F-35A).  Now, my F-15M will likely get a telescoping probe that also rotates up a bit from the wing plane, but I'm wanting something that'll work with the existing F-15 fuel system without a lot of extra plumbing being added.

Just a thought for someone doing a Phantom II what-if, there's no reason you couldn't build a variant of that with both USAF and USN inflight refueling systems.  It might look interesting on something derived from a F-4E/F.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2012, 08:35:26 PM »
I could see both systems for your AV-19, since it's a new design and you want to see to as many customers as possible

Ah! now there's a thought, I was wondering what I could use the space for in the original refueling position.  I didn't realise the F-35A had duel-refueling capability. I think that's how it will go --- thanks Evan, that's two ideas you've given me now, I was getting a bit of 'tunnel' vision there for a while --- 

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2012, 11:49:11 PM »
It's not that the F-35A does have dual capability but that a dual capability could be done without over much difficulty (the "real estate" is available as forward fuselage systems installations are common across all three variants - I was very actively involved in that - and the probe area was deliberately left empty on the F-35A).  There is, of course, a bit of a penalty in weight and cost, but that's up to the purchaser to do the trade off.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2012, 02:57:12 AM »
Off on a different tangent - artists's impression of a Patriot SAM armed F-15:


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2012, 05:26:43 AM »
Off on a different tangent - artists's impression of a Patriot SAM armed F-15:
'Twould definitely fit that old advertising slogan for ATT Long Distance, "Reach out and touch someone!"

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2012, 12:22:27 PM »
Before the Silent Eagle there was this:

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2012, 12:45:06 PM »
Which got me wondering...

... any possibility of mounting low-observable pods of some sort for ASRAAMs under the intakes (used for LANTIRN pods on F-15E), in addition to adopting the Silent Eagle's AMRAAM FAST Packs?
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2012, 12:58:30 PM »
Actually, I was thinking of the new L-O centerline pod for the Super Hornet on the F-15's centerline and wing pylons; possibly with a special variant for the centerline with additional sensors (this has been proposed).  Add that to the SIlent Eagle's versions of the FASTPACs.  I suspect you could take a few measures to reduce the signature of the inlets and engine faces also.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2012, 06:30:56 AM »
Found this cool 1/72 F-15 build while looking for something completely different....


SOURCE (with two more pics of this build)

I guess this was heavily inpired by the F-15 in "Patlabor: The Movie 2".
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2012, 06:39:14 AM »
Silent Eagle eat your heart out! :)
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2012, 10:45:56 AM »
Pops to mind  ---  Patriot SAM armed B-1 Missileer.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2012, 11:32:20 AM »
Pops to mind  ---  Patriot SAM armed B-1 Missileer.


Not far from this topic, ALHTK (Air Launched Hit-To-Kill) PAC-3 for F-15

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2012, 04:18:04 AM »
Recon F-15:

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2012, 04:26:38 AM »
Recon F-15:



A different pod was studied and flight tested on 71-0291 for the "Peek Eagle" program.  The pod looked like a stretched version of the F-14 recce pod mounted conformally on the centerline.  Going by the data in the first two Aerofax F-15 books on the sensor fit, you could easily model it by splicing two F-14 pods together.  I'm strongly thinking of doing some F-15D's to have an auxiliary recce role with such a pod, conformal tanks, and, possibly, LATRIN or similar navigation aids.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2012, 07:03:31 AM »
Some SEAgles:








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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2012, 07:17:12 AM »
Some SEAgles......

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2012, 10:30:47 AM »
Some SEAgles:
That first one is pretty close to the F-15M series I'm working on, mainly in 1/144 and 1/72.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2012, 11:47:46 PM »
The thought occurred to me, with Japan looking to replace their F-4EJ's, how about F-15EJ's incorporating all the latest upgrades, possibly even a variation of the Silent Eagle?

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2012, 02:20:35 AM »
I must admit that had Japan been a little faster in their selection process, then the F-15EJ to the latest standard (ala the Korean or Singaporean birds) would have been my first choice.  Mind you, I am very happy that they have gone with the F-35. ;)
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2012, 03:08:23 AM »
an almost was, Iran had orders in place for both the F.15 and F.16 til the fall of the Shah ...

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