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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #225 on: September 09, 2021, 09:26:14 PM »
Via The Two-Seat-Seat Spitfire Page on Facebook.

The BIG update! I realized that I haven't done the complete list of two-seat Spitfires for a while and so here it is:

Airworthy

1. MT818 Airworthy operated by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
2. MJ627 Airworthy operated by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
3. MJ772 Airworthy now lives at the Royal Netherlands Historic Flight foundation
4. ML407 Airworthy operated by Ultimate Warbird Flights
5. PV202 Airworthy operated by Aerial Collective
6. TE308 Airworthy operated by Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
7. PT462 Airworthy operated by Aerial Collective
8. MH367 Airworthy operated by Warbird Adventure Rides Ltd
9. SM520 Airworthy operated by Spitfires.com
10. NH341 Airworthy operated by Aero Legends

Non airworthy
11. ML295  Being restored at Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
12. EN570 Being restored for Norwegian Flying Aces
13. BS410 Owned by Martin Philips
14. No14 ID witheld being restored Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar
15. BS548  Being restored by Airframe Assemblies Ltd for Ross Pay
16. MJ444 Being restored for Aero Legends
17. TE566  Being restored by Airframe Assemblies Ltd  for Enstone
18. MJ518 Indian Air Force heritage flight
19. Unknown project for unknown owner!!

« Last Edit: September 09, 2021, 11:44:34 PM by The Big Gimper »
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I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #226 on: September 26, 2021, 06:46:05 PM »
A1_Phoenix's "early Hurricane" reminded me that I'd done a back-dated Spitfire.

Oh hell yes, I missed this one.
Another of yours I have to earmark for a possible future project  .. I would of course ask permission.
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #227 on: September 28, 2021, 04:11:36 AM »
Oh hell yes, I missed this one.
Another of yours I have to earmark for a possible future project  .. I would of course ask permission.

And I'd forgotten all about it  :o   I'd love to see what you do with that ur-Spitfire.

So, considered permission given and an ever so teensy amount of pressure turned on  ;D
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #228 on: October 18, 2021, 07:47:06 AM »
On a slight tangent here: Full Scale, Allison-Powered 2004 Spitfire Mk IX For Sale
https://www.ebay.com/itm/324743274698
Current bid is $45K USD



Lets break those piggy banks open and get into some 1:1 modelling.
The Jurca MJ100 has been on my wants list since 2004 and Bob's seems to be a fun weekend fighter, any accuracy issues aside. Originally it was listed at Barnstormers etc for US$975,000...
8. MH367 Airworthy operated by Warbird Adventure Rides Ltd
For those playing at home MH367 is based here in New Zealand and is, I believe, the only two-seater flying in the Southern Hemisphere. My pics for gratuitousness:
01702c1c-f97e-4e6b-9e4d-5876fa3845ad_zpsezqyvi6k_35571349331_o by Zac Yates, on Flickr
d7b7c41d-e050-4667-b45f-29ed0f7445fe_zps4mpoh9ki_35644181806_o by Zac Yates, on Flickr
9a1764f7-1689-471f-84d7-8a78b9e48238_zpst9e135mf_35296327960_o by Zac Yates, on Flickr
fd93accc-0cd5-4d15-a99b-9873d91ea25a_zpsog1bus9c_34843769184_o by Zac Yates, on Flickr
da9bd67e-caa7-4d34-9450-d418adc5bc36_zpsmgo7kahx_35644183186_o by Zac Yates, on Flickr
09016625-f332-4b4f-bb8a-331d312081b7_zpszux7epep_34874411243_o by Zac Yates, on Flickr
With warm regards from Whanganui, New Zealand

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #229 on: October 24, 2021, 03:04:56 AM »
Random idea:  Spitfire with turbocharging rather than supercharging.
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #230 on: October 24, 2021, 06:59:15 AM »
Random idea:  Spitfire with turbocharging rather than supercharging.

I had a go at an Allison-powered Spitfire with a rear fuselage turbocharger. Jon was less than impressed with my exhaust pipe feed ... to put it mildly  ;D

Perhaps if the turbo was placed underneath the engine and back under the leading edge. The shape I have in mind would be something like the Curtiss XP-60 (although I realize, on the Curtiss, that was just the radiators, not a turbo).
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #231 on: October 24, 2021, 09:03:08 AM »
On that Allison Spit.  There seems to be some sort of grill or air duct on top of the cowl even with the wing leading edge.  Is this the carburetor intake?  It's in about the correct location.

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #232 on: October 25, 2021, 01:53:17 AM »
For maximum visual effect, maybe something with a very obvious turbocharger such as that shown on the Nakajima Ki-87



or CAC CA-14A:



Or one could go with more of the P-43 layout:



Or go really radical with something more akin to the FW190 V-18:



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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #233 on: October 25, 2021, 09:16:55 AM »
On that Allison Spit.  There seems to be some sort of grill or air duct on top of the cowl even with the wing leading edge.  Is this the carburetor intake?  It's in about the correct location.

The 'Memory Sieve' has retained zero details on that turbo Spit  :P

Although I do vaguely remember pillaging P-38s and B-17s for bits and bobs ...
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #234 on: October 27, 2021, 01:13:25 PM »
Offset under the engine as on the XP/YP-37 would work as you'd be leaving the radiator(s) under
the wings. Use an 'F' type Allison rather than the 'C' used in the XP/YP-37 and you could probably
tuck the intercooler in behind the engine. You'll also need to add an intercooler cold air intake of
some type; a P-40 carb intake style on top of the cowling perhaps to really mess with the Spitfire
fans or just a simple scoop.
 ;)

Note that you will need an intercooler not an aftercooler as used on the Merlin.

On the turbo-supercharged Allison, the incoming air is compressed, passed through the
intercooler and then pushed through the carburetor where it is mixed with the fuel and
the mixture then passes through the engine mounted centrifugal supercharger where it
is compressed further and then fed to the cylinders via the intake manifold.

The Merlin is the reverse, the incoming air is pulled through the carburetor, the fuel mixture
is then compressed by the supercharger, passed through the after-cooler and then fed to the
cylinders via the intake manifold.

In short an intercooler cools air only, an after-cooler cools an air-fuel mixture.
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #235 on: October 28, 2021, 02:57:29 AM »
Indeed:



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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #236 on: November 03, 2021, 02:48:54 AM »
Property of Otik Stahl.

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #237 on: November 03, 2021, 01:54:55 PM »
Super start on building them all tail number by tail number.....

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #238 on: November 21, 2021, 02:12:57 AM »


All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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