Author Topic: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles  (Read 35549 times)

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MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« on: October 25, 2012, 12:46:09 PM »
Did I miss any? 

<snip>Next year, I think. My Stryker-based high-speed combat logistics system vehicle, if I get it finished in time for October next year (I started it early this year - Feb, March? - & I'm barely half-done).<snip>


Guy,

I really want to see what you come up with on this project.  Seems that even with great distances separating us there are at least three minds thinking along the same lines.  Alvis 3.1 has an idea for something like this and I too, was thinking of a modifying an LAV hull to create an armored 8X8 flatbed cargo truck. 

So now we have a spot to discuss this in more detail :)
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 12:55:40 PM »
well, I was going to do this to my Stryker kit -- stick yer neck out n' see if it gets shot off Recon vehicle !  But I guess I could make it a flatbed cargo ?



I saw Guy's start on the 8x8+8x8 battlefield cargo on the other site & just wish he'd get a move on with it (even tho I think it's now been shortened)  :icon_twisted:

Looks like a great idea .....

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 02:52:18 PM »
well, I was going to do this to my Stryker kit -- stick yer neck out n' see if it gets shot off Recon vehicle !  But I guess I could make it a flatbed cargo ?



I saw Guy's start on the 8x8+8x8 battlefield cargo on the other site & just wish he'd get a move on with it (even tho I think it's now been shortened)  :icon_twisted:

Looks like a great idea .....


Seeing that makes me wonder if it would be worth while to find one of those Star Wars AT-AT things and kit bash it with the Stryker so it can have some legs :)

I guess that inspiration comes from the way the front of the vehicle sticks so far out in front of the wheels. 
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 08:22:31 PM »
If you are planning a ATAT/Stryker, you might want to consider using the MGS as a starting point!  Has a nice turret and 105mm gun.
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 05:20:28 AM »
If you are planning a ATAT/Stryker, you might want to consider using the MGS as a starting point!  Has a nice turret and 105mm gun.


yes, but I just did an MGS, & like all AFV Club kits, an extremely fiddly build ! - stick to the Trumpy kits.

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 08:40:41 AM »
A couple of early shots.





OK, so maybe that is "a few".

Sorry it's taking so long but;
1) life keeps interfering;
2) much of the work has been thinking about & scratch building internal fittings, equipment & the linkage system (which is fully flexible!); and
3) I'm slow at the best of times!

Main thing to remember about this is that it is really only designed for supplying, perhaps, company level down with immediate battlefield logistics requirements (food, ammo, etc.)
The rear unit on this build is a "caboose" or "guard-van" unit with minimal carrying capacity. The main cargo units are about the same length but only have side access for the forklift (carried in the "caboose") to remove palletised loads from a flatbed unit (possibly with some under-bed carrying capacity).

If I can ever afford another couple of Strykers, then I might give the cargo unit a go.

Cheers

Guy :)
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 11:34:29 AM »
<...> makes me wonder if it would be worth while to find one of those Star Wars AT-AT things and kit bash it with the Stryker so it can have some legs :) <...>

I like your thinking!  :)
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 11:40:57 AM »
A couple of early shots.

<snip>

Main thing to remember about this is that it is really only designed for supplying, perhaps, company level down with immediate battlefield logistics requirements (food, ammo, etc.)
The rear unit on this build is a "caboose" or "guard-van" unit with minimal carrying capacity. The main cargo units are about the same length but only have side access for the forklift (carried in the "caboose") to remove palletised loads from a flatbed unit (possibly with some under-bed carrying capacity).

If I can ever afford another couple of Strykers, then I might give the cargo unit a go.



Wow!  That is nothing like I had imagined Guy.  Actually a lot more involved than anything I was planning.  I like your idea of an armoured tractor unit pulling the armoured trailer.  I do hope you can acquire the additional Stryker kits but in the interim, have you considered scrapping a couple of the less expensive LAV kits from ESCI/AMT-Ertl, or Italeri?  They are getting quite cheap around here at the shows and for a load carrying trailer it would give you a break on your wallet. 

If you are planning a ATAT/Stryker, you might want to consider using the MGS as a starting point!  Has a nice turret and 105mm gun.


Way out of my zone of comfort to kit bash an AT-AT with anything  :)   I added that comment as it was the first impression I got upon seeing that long-nose thing and it certainly does look like it at first glance. 

I recently picked up a couple of the AFV Club MGS kits and was amazed at the number of tiny parts included, methinks an illuminated magnifying device will be needed sooner than I planned. 
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 11:44:07 AM »
Looking good Guy!

Did I miss any?

Well there's the now-abandoned  Piranha IV and the new Piranha 5, if that's what you meant. The latter includes an IFV for Canada's Close Combat Vehicle project.

BTW, GM Defense's London, ON plant did work on a RW 'pick-up' version of the LAV II, FWIW. AFAIK, the object was to create something akin to modular Boxer rather than an open-backed logistics type.
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 11:51:12 AM »
Pic's taken today.

Prime mover - crew space:




Commanders weapons control unit:


Inside top, not very exciting:


(Note the anti-spalling mat on the side wall & the air-con unit on the ceiling.)

Linkage:

(You have no idea how much time I've spent finding the right parts for this. Eventually 1 x novelty biro top + 1 x toy fairy wand supplied the parts.)

Crew's survival vests (in case they need to bail out in hostile territory):



Now, how do I fit them AND 3 crewmen in here?

(Actually, I'm pretty sure I know how I'm doing this but one of the vests is probably not going to be visible.)

Questions or comments welcome.

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 03:43:25 PM »
I actually don't mind the look of that tracked Stryker.
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 04:49:19 PM »
I actually don't mind the look of that tracked Stryker.

It should please a certain well known and prolific poster on the web about military matters who describes all wheeled APC's as "wheeled deathtraps" and believes the M113 is the answer to all problems.  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 05:30:02 PM »
I actually don't mind the look of that tracked Stryker.

It should please a certain well known and prolific poster on the web about military matters who describes all wheeled APC's as "wheeled deathtraps" and believes the M113 is the answer to all problems.  ;D

Whoever he is, he's insane! :-\
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2012, 07:30:50 PM »
I actually don't mind the look of that tracked Stryker.

It should please a certain well known and prolific poster on the web about military matters who describes all wheeled APC's as "wheeled deathtraps" and believes the M113 is the answer to all problems.  ;D

Whoever he is, he's insane! :-\

Ah, you haven't had the pain of encountering Mike Sparks then?  Keep it that way.  He is part of a bogus military studies "group" which comes up with some very strange ideas.  He is also running a one man campaign to have the M113 named the "Gavin".    :o

He's been kicked from more military forums than anyone I'm aware of.  His major problem appears to be that he can't understand why people don't think he's a genius.  If you really want to have your mind attacked, just do a google search for "mike sparks m113".  You've been warned though!

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 12:20:33 AM »
I used to go on Tanknet (before my PC started getting viruses every time...) and there were people on there so ****ed off with Sparky that they were making serious efforts to hunt him down in real life.... C:-)
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2012, 05:58:00 AM »
I like the idea of doing a LAV (or derivative thereof) with NETFIRES setup in the rear:

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 09:44:34 PM »
This one was trialled by Canada. I think its got a 75mm gun, timeframe is 1980:


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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 12:00:44 PM »
I do love AAI 75 mm gun.

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2013, 10:02:46 AM »
Looks like the Chilean AVGP variants by BVM are getting closer to a release date:



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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2013, 02:30:07 PM »
Cool.
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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2013, 10:17:42 AM »
How about a 16 wheeled version consisting of two LAVs linked together in an articulated vehicle layout?
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2013, 09:57:21 PM »
I'm sure someone on here built that, kind of a  LAV-III meets BV-206 logistics vehicle.

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2013, 11:41:16 PM »
That may, possibly, be me & my HMBLT (although it's actually "Stryker" based)! ;)

Here: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2257.0

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2014, 08:36:08 AM »
LAV-25 half-track



LAV-25 three-quarter-track ( :P)

In both cases, the tracks were lifted from an M41 and are not to scale, going for looks only.



How about a little more firepower for the Marines? Maybe a predecessor to the Stryker MGS? Something for Operation Just Cause?
Turret is from an AMX-13/75 (inspired by Jeff's recent purchase of a Heller AMX-13) and to scale. If the 75mm gun isn't powerful enough, there are/were also versions of turrets with 90 or even 105mm guns.

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Re: MOWAG Piranha, LAV, LAV II, LAV III/Stryker ICV vehicles
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2014, 09:28:00 AM »
I love them all! :)
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